MERGED:Frerotte\the tides have turned

[OneHondo]

Man its going to be real interesting on this board if Saban does pick up Rohan Davey. Then you will have the Gus supporters vs the Feeley supporters vs the Davey supporters

 

[t47c]

Sorry, but you're comparing the wrong guy to Ryan Leaf. I'll continue to default to yards per attempt to identify the true story, one the Feeley apologists are remarkably blind to.

Ryan Leaf finished with a lifetime yards per attempt of 5.6 in the NFL. Feeley is slightly less incompetent, at a lifetime 5.8. Gus Frerotte is among the rare QBs who have a lifetime number above the arbitrary but very significant cutoff point of 7.0. Frerotte is at 7.1 yards per attempt over his career. That signifies he consistently looks to the deep ball first and completes a reasonable percentage of them.

This coaching staff is no doubt aware of the numbers I just pointed out, and their significance. The correct decision has been made.

But, isn't it true if you remove his 2 starts in Minny, where his YPA for THOSE 2 games he started was 10.65 his YPA becomes 6.53?. I would think, sometimes. circumstances come into play whne you deal with Stats for a living..
Am I grabbing at straws here?

 

[jlfin]

I've read so many posts of people saying how bad Gus played last game, but did he really play that bad? The only reason that I read was his stats...if you dont have anything to say about the actual game apart from the stats then its not a valid point. He played pretty well in my opinion; he looks calmer than Feeley in the pocket and seems to know how much time he has to throw. He overthrew a couple of passes, but they werent easy throws. The throw to Chambers was a tough pass to grab but it was there and away from defenders. The one to Boston in the endzone was overthrown but he was covered when the pass was thrown, Boston got open when the throw got there. On the other hand, Feeley looks uncomfortable in the pocket and most of his passes are to the flats to RBs. Well just my two cents

Not true. You are seeing things that aren't there. He was off the mark on several mid-range passes and threw behind receivers. Hopefully, it was a just a bad night for him.
I still don't see this alleged "comfort in the pocket" as opposed to Feeley.
My only problem with Feeley is that he doesn't seem to have that ****iness or self confidence that it takes to be a starter in the NFL. He seems too aloof and acts as if he doesn't care one way or the other if he starts or not.
A good QB has a burning desire to succeed and win and gets ticked off if he's not playing. I don't see that in AJ.

 

[FinaticalOne]

Sorry, but you're comparing the wrong guy to Ryan Leaf. I'll continue to default to yards per attempt to identify the true story, one the Feeley apologists are remarkably blind to.

Ryan Leaf finished with a lifetime yards per attempt of 5.6 in the NFL. Feeley is slightly less incompetent, at a lifetime 5.8. Gus Frerotte is among the rare QBs who have a lifetime number above the arbitrary but very significant cutoff point of 7.0. Frerotte is at 7.1 yards per attempt over his career. That signifies he consistently looks to the deep ball first and completes a reasonable percentage of them.

This coaching staff is no doubt aware of the numbers I just pointed out, and their significance. The correct decision has been made.

I couldn't have put it any better. It's the yards per attempt that matter the most. That's the "stats within the stats" that Linehan was referring to during his press conference.

 

[prolific]

I've read so many posts of people saying how bad Gus played last game, but did he really play that bad? The only reason that I read was his stats...if you dont have anything to say about the actual game apart from the stats then its not a valid point. He played pretty well in my opinion; he looks calmer than Feeley in the pocket and seems to know how much time he has to throw. He overthrew a couple of passes, but they werent easy throws. The throw to Chambers was a tough pass to grab but it was there and away from defenders. The one to Boston in the endzone was overthrown but he was covered when the pass was thrown, Boston got open when the throw got there. On the other hand, Feeley looks uncomfortable in the pocket and most of his passes are to the flats to RBs. Well just my two cents

Pocket presence is nice but accuracy is much better and from what I have seen he is just too erractic.

 

[prolific]

It's 7.05, not 7.1. Clever rounding. And Frerotte has shown no ability to do that here and now - or in fact anywhere without Randy Moss in the last four years. His completion percentage shows that this year's Frerotte is like the Frerotte of old - just worse. Never good enough.

The last time Frerotte posted a YPA over 7.0 was in 2000 with the Broncos. (Brian Griese averaged 8.0 the same year). Of course, you can do that with Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Rod Smith, and Eddie McCaffrey on your offense - not to mention a dominant offensive line and a top 5 ground game.

Great post!

 

[prolific]

at least frerotte isnt scared to go down field. we cant win games by averaging 3 or 4 yrds a pass like feeley does. we have to be able to go deep and get in the endzone without wasting time. especially if were behind like we normally are.

What good is going down field if you can't hit any.

 

[prolific]

I love it when I'm being lectured on yards per attempt, when my job is sports statistical analysis for Nevada sportsbooks and I've analyzed YPPA since 1987.

One guy here tried to denounce a 1.5 yard difference per attempt as insignificant. Another questioned the 7.0 number as a correct guideline. Someone else started listing QBs who were above 6.0 with one team in a particular year, as if somehow the difference between 6.0 and 7.0 was insignificant. Another guy scolded me for rounding Frerotte's number by .05, since he had no ammo to combat the very real massive gap between the two lifetime numbers.

Instead of making insulting remarks, very well earned BTW, I'll simply concede you guys have no background in the matter, very understandable since as I've posted many times the mainstream media does a hopless job of identifying and publicizing the most relevant football stats.

But ask yourself this: if it's true Frerotte has looked innacurate and unimpressive this preseason while Feeley has "taken charge" including a 16 for 20 game, then what masochistic rationale does the coaching staff have for starting Gus? Did he bribe them? He has incriminating evidence regarding behavior at that stripper event? Saban wants to lock up a top pick and thinks Frerotte is the 2-14 ticket?

Or have they looked at career stats and practice tendencies and noticed something very evident, that one guy challenges downfield and the other does not, regardless of trivia like completion perentage during a handful of exhibition games? Mathematics and sample size is not a strength around here either, not when posters are embracing a couple dozen pass attempts here and there vs. uneven foes and claiming it's more indicative than lifetime performance.

Thank you for gracing us with your presence, I'm sure we will all defer future QB stat questions to your highness.

 

[finfan54]

Not true. You are seeing things that aren't there. He was off the mark on several mid-range passes and threw behind receivers. Hopefully, it was a just a bad night for him.
I still don't see this alleged "comfort in the pocket" as opposed to Feeley.
My only problem with Feeley is that he doesn't seem to have that ****iness or self confidence that it takes to be a starter in the NFL. He seems too aloof and acts as if he doesn't care one way or the other if he starts or not.
A good QB has a burning desire to succeed and win and gets ticked off if he's not playing. I don't see that in AJ.

Bingo! You can add to that that he is not a very good practice guy. Cant read defenses, and hangs on to the ball to long, which then results in a guy coming around the corner and knocking the ball out and then six points are going the other way. AJ Feeley has not done anything to prove he has anything upstairs to beat great defenses where blitzing is about to become very very vogue.

 

[GazPhin]

"I understood that there would be no Math during the debates"

(Ta! Chevvy).

I was willing AJ to win the start. He showed enough improvement as the season finished last season to warrant my goodwill. Now again, he finds himself doing about as well as an experienced QB in the system having started from scratch. For me, if Gus can't "clearly" outplay the guy, with his experience of the system something is very wrong with naming him starter.

Sure they both have to play behind an, at best, "improving" O-Line but Gus came out of the blocks ahead of AJ so what has he proved? What Saban decides I'll live with. But if it was a democracy I'd be chadding for AJ.

 

[rainmaker1313]

I've read so many posts of people saying how bad Gus played last game, but did he really play that bad? The only reason that I read was his stats...if you dont have anything to say about the actual game apart from the stats then its not a valid point. He played pretty well in my opinion; he looks calmer than Feeley in the pocket and seems to know how much time he has to throw. He overthrew a couple of passes, but they werent easy throws. The throw to Chambers was a tough pass to grab but it was there and away from defenders. The one to Boston in the endzone was overthrown but he was covered when the pass was thrown, Boston got open when the throw got there. On the other hand, Feeley looks uncomfortable in the pocket and most of his passes are to the flats to RBs. Well just my two cents

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