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Merged: The "Linehan Effect"

Greenspan_101 said:
I used to live in Vikes country and was subjected to NFC North games every Sunday...it's easy to say I told you so after the fact, but now everyone can see why MN fans laughed at how excited Fins fans were to get Linehan.

I read these posts every week and I can see that Fins fans are becoming more and more like Vikes fans--you begin to mistrust and maybe even dread trick plays, you're not surprised to see penalties hit at the worst times, you almost assume that the team will blow it in the clutch moments...in general, if the team loses, it's no surprise. If the team wins, it's a bonus. That, my fellow fans, is the "Linehan Effect."

I respect any dissenting opinions, but before you disagree, consider Miami dumping him off to another team with a struggling offense hoping for a jumpstart (say the Texans, for instance). Can you picture yourself laughing and saying "I told you so" after that season? Thought so.
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Sorry but I entirely disagree. Everything you have mentioned above has no relation to the PLAYCALLING except for trick plays. If they blow it in clutch moments that is because of the players performances...if they have penalties that is because of their performances. If the team loses its no surprise...well I would have to say GreenBay, Houston, Minnesota, etc. are ALL in that situation and we have been in that situation for years under Wanny. Linehan has nothing to do with any of that, sorry.
 
Folks, the Linehan 'system' is NOT pass happy. He looks to create big plays downfield, which in turn facilitates the running game.

What did he have in MINN, well - he had Moss who is special and respectable solid RBs. Culpepper is very over-rated as a QB as he clearly showed that this year. He folded under pressure, fumbled consistently, and just heaved up balls to Moss, because he knew only he could get them. His 'cast' made him look good. Now, is he better than GUS, sure - but what starting QBs that started the season wasn't / isn't.

All those 'let's get Culpepper' threads are ridiculous ... forget the injury. He is only marginally better than Fiedler, and that is because of his arm. He can be an effective game 'manager' ... he is NOT a game 'winner' ...

But back to Linehan, our receivers are over-rated - they can be solid, not special. The RBs are special and so is McMike ..... but we have nothing at QB ... right about now - I'd kill to have Brad Johnson, and that is saying a lot.

Linehan, like Saban can NOT fix that this year.
 
Minnesota's problems had nothing to do with their offensive scheme. A few offensive players at each others' throats, but that's what happens when you have a headcase #1 receiver like Moss and anaging veteran like Chris Carter or a not too shabby QB in Daunte Culpepper. Their problem was their head coach,and still is. Their offense under Linehan was one of the best in the league, the loser's mentality that let them score 40-something a game and still lose comes from Tice. Right now we simply lack talent on the offensive line and at the QB position. Fix those issues and we have damn good ball club.
 
PHINANALYST said:
Folks, the Linehan 'system' is NOT pass happy. He looks to create big plays downfield, which in turn facilitates the running game.

What did he have in MINN, well - he had Moss who is special and respectable solid RBs. Culpepper is very over-rated as a QB as he clearly showed that this year. He folded under pressure, fumbled consistently, and just heaved up balls to Moss, because he knew only he could get them. His 'cast' made him look good. Now, is he better than GUS, sure - but what starting QBs that started the season wasn't / isn't.

All those 'let's get Culpepper' threads are ridiculous ... forget the injury. He is only marginally better than Fiedler, and that is because of his arm. He can be an effective game 'manager' ... he is NOT a game 'winner' ...

But back to Linehan, our receivers are over-rated - they can be solid, not special. The RBs are special and so is McMike ..... but we have nothing at QB ... right about now - I'd kill to have Brad Johnson, and that is saying a lot.

Linehan, like Saban can NOT fix that this year.
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Well said....

All the fantasy freaks couldn't get enough Viking RB's of last year. Onterio Smith average 5.4 yards per carry. Mewelde Moore averaged 5.8 yards per carry. One just couldn't rely on who would carry the ball on a particular week. Maybe it didn't matter.

Sure this offensive line (a couple of weeks from resembling swiss cheese) is carrying the load. :rolleyes:
 
I think Linehan has called some bad plays.

SOME

Not all of them though, a lot of the plays he is calling is putting our team into positions in which we can make the play. I'm not going to blame Gus for his inaccuracy anymore because that's just Gus.

We need a more accurate QB and Linehan needs to adjust himself to a more simple playcalling scheme without Culpepper and Moss. Once that gets done and everyone gets settled in I expect to see a lot better offensive performances.

I think we will start to see results around Week 4-6 of next season if we have a veteran QB, if we have a rookie then no and if we have Gus I expect to see a little improvement but not much.
 
PHINANALYST said:
Folks, the Linehan 'system' is NOT pass happy. He looks to create big plays downfield, which in turn facilitates the running game.

What did he have in MINN, well - he had Moss who is special and respectable solid RBs. Culpepper is very over-rated as a QB as he clearly showed that this year. He folded under pressure, fumbled consistently, and just heaved up balls to Moss, because he knew only he could get them. His 'cast' made him look good. Now, is he better than GUS, sure - but what starting QBs that started the season wasn't / isn't.

All those 'let's get Culpepper' threads are ridiculous ... forget the injury. He is only marginally better than Fiedler, and that is because of his arm. He can be an effective game 'manager' ... he is NOT a game 'winner' ...

But back to Linehan, our receivers are over-rated - they can be solid, not special. The RBs are special and so is McMike ..... but we have nothing at QB ... right about now - I'd kill to have Brad Johnson, and that is saying a lot.

Linehan, like Saban can NOT fix that this year.
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Saying Culpepper is only 'marginally better' than Fiedler is extremely exaggerated or just plain old-fashioned stupid. This guy had one of the best seasons a Qb can have last year. The guy completes 65% of his passes and has thrown 135tds to 86ints while Fiedler is about 50/50. Culpepper is an MVP candidate. He was having a bad season, as are ALL the vikings. This team is over the falls without a barrell. Acting like Culpepper isnt a good Qb because he was having a down year or that hes a loser is so ignorant that its hard to believe anyone could waste their time posting such nonsense. If you dont like Culpepper thats fine, I do think he fumbles too much but to act like he was a loser is insane. This guy won a ton of games singlehandedly and showed over time that he was a really good Qb. The fiedler comparision is just plain stupid.
 
OK, the "Fiedler" comparison was over the top ... Culpepper CAN throw an out and downfield and Jay just simply could not ...

However, take Moss out of that line up and Culpepper is an average to slightly above average QB .... He isn't very accurate and nor to his benefit did he have to be. He is most certainly in NO way shape or form an ALL PRO QB, much less an MVP.

The comments have nothing to do with just this years play. I don't like or dislike any player, just comment on how and their ability to play the game. He is not even in the top 10 QBs playing right now.
 
PHINANALYST said:
OK, the "Fiedler" comparison was over the top ... Culpepper CAN throw an out and downfield and Jay just simply could not ...

However, take Moss out of that line up and Culpepper is an average to slightly above average QB .... He isn't very accurate and nor to his benefit did he have to be. He is most certainly in NO way shape or form an ALL PRO QB, much less an MVP.

The comments have nothing to do with just this years play. I don't like or dislike any player, just comment on how and their ability to play the game. He is not even in the top 10 QBs playing right now.
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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/CulpDa00.htm

Look at his numbers. He has made the probowl 3 times out of 6 years starting. Yea he was having a bad year this year no one would deny that but the guy is a really good Qb. The 'not accurate' stuff is nonsense. He was averaging 64.4% comp percentage even this year. Daunte is lightyears better than any Qb we have had here since Marino retired. He may never get 100% healthy again, his injuries are serious but he is a really good Qb when healthy, having a bad season in 6 games so far this year doesnt make him a bad Qb.
 
Bottom line is you do not pass the ball on 3rd and 2 especially when A) the opposing team cannot seem to stop Ronnie, and B) we are going to go for it on 4th down anyway. It was a bad play call and as soon as Gus dropped back I started to panic... This is on the OC.

I know they need balance but Gus cannot get the job done. I propose a new kind of balance until they get a decent QB. Half the plays run Ronnie, the other half run Ricky. I am being serious because all the incompletions kill the drives.
 
I began to panic the moment I saw Ricky& Ronnie on the field together, because I knew the were going to pass the ball!!!!!
 
Greenspan_101 said:
I used to live in Vikes country and was subjected to NFC North games every Sunday...it's easy to say I told you so after the fact, but now everyone can see why MN fans laughed at how excited Fins fans were to get Linehan.

I read these posts every week and I can see that Fins fans are becoming more and more like Vikes fans--you begin to mistrust and maybe even dread trick plays, you're not surprised to see penalties hit at the worst times, you almost assume that the team will blow it in the clutch moments...in general, if the team loses, it's no surprise. If the team wins, it's a bonus. That, my fellow fans, is the "Linehan Effect."

I respect any dissenting opinions, but before you disagree, consider Miami dumping him off to another team with a struggling offense hoping for a jumpstart (say the Texans, for instance). Can you picture yourself laughing and saying "I told you so" after that season? Thought so.
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I don't know if I buy this. I watched a lot of Vikes games ( My family's from up there). Linehan's offense was ranked 1, 2 and 3 in a three year period. Obviously, he's doing something right.

We just need to institute a run first pass second mentality for the rest of the year or until we have a better QB.
 
kwconch said:
Bottom line is you do not pass the ball on 3rd and 2 especially when A) the opposing team cannot seem to stop Ronnie, and B) we are going to go for it on 4th down anyway. It was a bad play call and as soon as Gus dropped back I started to panic... This is on the OC.

I know they need balance but Gus cannot get the job done. I propose a new kind of balance until they get a decent QB. Half the plays run Ronnie, the other half run Ricky. I am being serious because all the incompletions kill the drives.
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Exactly. You should know your talent. It is the coaches job to understand the talent and adjust the calling accordingly. It's not an understanding of the offense, it's stupid calls. And the formations are fooling noone.
When the fullback is in they run (to the side the fullback is on and mcmike motions to). When ricky and ronnie are together, we throw. We have very few draws and very few play action. And we use the same formation for the same play.

Does Linehan play Madden?
 
MARINO1384 said:
My question is why pass on third and 2 with the game on the line? We have a former all pro runningback in ricky williams and a future all pro in ronnie brown both of which are averaging around 4 yards per carry. Is it just me or does it take anyone with half a brain to figure out that you run the ball there and if you don't get it you run again.
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Absolutely....Linehan is fully responsible for that dumb call,but its time Saban stepped up and started involving himself with the offensive side of the ball too.
(and that includes the play calling) Why didn't he veto that pass play after seeing how well R & R were moving the ball? He's HC is he not?
 
PHINANALYST said:
Folks, the Linehan 'system' is NOT pass happy. He looks to create big plays downfield, which in turn facilitates the running game.

What did he have in MINN, well - he had Moss who is special and respectable solid RBs. Culpepper is very over-rated as a QB as he clearly showed that this year. He folded under pressure, fumbled consistently, and just heaved up balls to Moss, because he knew only he could get them. His 'cast' made him look good. Now, is he better than GUS, sure - but what starting QBs that started the season wasn't / isn't.

All those 'let's get Culpepper' threads are ridiculous ... forget the injury. He is only marginally better than Fiedler, and that is because of his arm. He can be an effective game 'manager' ... he is NOT a game 'winner' ...

But back to Linehan, our receivers are over-rated - they can be solid, not special. The RBs are special and so is McMike ..... but we have nothing at QB ... right about now - I'd kill to have Brad Johnson, and that is saying a lot.

Linehan, like Saban can NOT fix that this year.
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The only thing you have right is Brad Johnson who, so far, is doing well, but to condemn Culpepper is an outrage.....He's one of the finest athletes in the business, but like Marino he has had to carry Minnesota on his back with some help from Moss. They never had a good defense and apparently none of their running backs were used effectively....Where has Linehan taken the Vikes all these years - not to the SB thats for sure.
 
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