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Merged: The "Linehan Effect"

Never say die said:
You miss the point completely, I don't care if it was Dan Marino. The circumstances were that we were dramatically more successful running the ball at this point. The line was into it. (Go back and look at the Ronnie run for the first ) Clock at about three minutes. Two plays to get a first down inside the eight and you call a play that in the best situation 2 out of 3 things that can happen are negative! It wasn't smart it was counterproductive and I believe downright boneheaded. If the circumstances were different you'd have a point. But the plain truth of the matter was this wasn't even close to debatable given the circumstances.
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Bad call yes, but why do you seem to be giving Gus a pass for a bad throw/decision? Even if it was a bad call and to me it was, but it doesnt excuse Gus from being stupid with the ball.
 
My bad, I accidentally typed Gus when I meant Linehan engineers a comeback drive. And yes, he did engineer this comeback drive. Gus executed it. Read Gus's postgame interview for the proof
 
No pass to Gus, he sucks too. The point I am trying to make is all about the coordinator recognizing the circumstances and opportunity before him at THIS PARTICULAR TIME.. The correct playcall was Ronnie or Ricky up the fricken gut or off tackle six plays if we had to along with a challenge to the OL to blow the 'coons off the ball. Linehan needs to quit trying to pad his resume and recognize the particular strengths of THIS team on a per circumstance basis.
 
rickeyrunsover said:
I agree except that I feel it was bad call when factor in how well Ronnie was running. We needed 2 yards and had 2 plays, you go on fourth if you need to, if you run on third and get no gain or lose yards then you throw. Normally you are right, a play action pass isnt a bad call there, but with the way Gus is playing and the way Ronnie is running, you run the ball and give Ronnie or Ricky a shot at getting the first or a td. Gus made a horrible pathetic decision.
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The play should not of been hit or miss, like say Vermeil's decision to go for it vs Oakland. Play action on 3rd and 2 probably showed some confidence in the QB, I don't know why, but like every decision hindsight is 20/20. If Linehan runs the ball twice and the team gets stuffed everybody is crying that the team is using the Dave strategy to lose football games, but Linehan took what would be a low risk play for most Qb's and called it and Gus made a terrible read. Ricky and Ronnie ran the ball well, but there is no way a veteran QB should make anything but a safe throw on that play. If the pass is incomplete it does not matter and the team lives to play another day, it was a bad read, not a bad play call.
 
Never say die said:
No pass to Gus, he sucks too. The point I am trying to make is all about the coordinator recognizing the circumstances and opportunity before him at THIS PARTICULAR TIME.. The correct playcall was Ronnie or Ricky up the fricken gut or off tackle six plays if we had to along with a challenge to the OL to blow the 'coons off the ball. Linehan needs to quit trying to pad his resume and recognize the particular strengths of THIS team on a per circumstance basis.
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I wish we would have run it as well. A pass isnt a bad call in that situation normally, but 2 factors make it bad here IMO. 1- Gus hasnt had much success all day in throwing in 3rd and short all day and R&R had been running very well in short yardage, 2 - you had 2 downs to run for the first.

Still, you have to call the game as if you have faith in the players you put out there. If you dont, then that player you dont have faith in shouldnt be in there. Gus as a vet should know better than to force the ball there, it wasnt teh last play with 1 second left where you try to force it and get lucky. He as a vet has to know to throw it away and run it on 4th down.
 
djfresh47 said:
The play should not of been hit or miss, like say Vermeil's decision to go for it vs Oakland. Play action on 3rd and 2 probably showed some confidence in the QB, I don't know why, but like every decision hindsight is 20/20. If Linehan runs the ball twice and the team gets stuffed everybody is crying that the team is using the Dave strategy to lose football games, but Linehan took what would be a low risk play for most Qb's and called it and Gus made a terrible read. Ricky and Ronnie ran the ball well, but there is no way a veteran QB should make anything but a safe throw on that play. If the pass is incomplete it does not matter and the team lives to play another day, it was a bad read, not a bad play call.
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I agree fundamentally with what you are saying. I would also say run it on 3rd and then throw it on fourth if you fail on third. Atlantas defense was tired, you could see it, they were on their heels vs the run. Defending the pass was a favor to them, short field so they didnt have alot of space to cover, drop seven into coverage and read gus.

I do agree that Gus has alot of teh blame on that play tho, he is a vet and he has to know not to force it there.
 
I really regret that we 1.) lost the game. and 2.) lost the opportunity to give this team the "identity" that Ricky and others say is lacking.
We had a chance to let the OL play smashmouth football and give notice to the league that R&R are a force, by letting the fans get loud and letting our two studs stick it to a Super-bowl contender. Instead we chose to be cute, as we have all year in inappropriate circumstances.
 
This year I have seen more receivers open 20+ yards downfield with balls dropped, tipped, or simply overthrown than I have ever seen. The system was a part of what got them that "open". It was a players hands that dropped, tipped, or overthrew the ball.

I don't know what games some of you have been watching. I have actually had sympathy for the man calling the plays. Why? The reverses to Chris Chambers are attempts to get the ball in the hands of a gifted athlete. The quick hitting passes in the flats are more attempts to do the same. The OC has been giving us what we have been begging for in the past. "Get the ball in the hands of your best athletes."

The QB/Receiver relationship is what sucks on this team. The plays have been there to be made. The players are not making plays. So now we echo "Run the ball".

One question that quickly comes to mind when I read that is "Why would they continue to run the ball at a wall when a receiver is consistently open down the field?"
 
Bad call by Linehan poor execution by Ferotte. Ive actually noticed over the course of the season Linehan reeling in his pass happy ways, I dont know if thats because Saban is in his ear or if he just realizes how good the talent he has at RB.

I also have a friend who is a really knowledgeable Viking fan. When we got Linehan he said good coach but he is one pass happy MFer constantly putting the Vikings in bad down and yardage situations. Said he goes deep WAY TO MUCH (randy ratio) and basically ignored some pretty good running backs in Minny. The guy says he'd take Linehan back in a second though, he thinks hes a good OC and taking the good with the bad Linehans Os produced. He needs to seek a balance between the pass and run that suits the talent we have, I like what I see after 8 games

That was the Falcons we just lost too, they're pretty good

Our Running game is looking bad a$$ed. All around i was pleased with todays performance (save the bad play call, execution on the last drive) and the progress so far this season. All things considered this is very encouraging. I hope Linehan stays and learns to use the talent God (Saban) has given him, Ricky and Ronnie
 
LINEHAN IS THE PERFECT OFFENSIVE PLAY CALLER........

COMPLETELY FLAWLESS........



With one Stipulation: YOUR PLAYING HIGHSCHOOL FOOTBALL
 
KuD said:
Well we all got to see the "Linehan Effect" in full effect today. I didn't know much about this guy before he came to Miami. When he did, all I heard from people was what a great coach, what a great offensive mind this guy was. Well, I haven't seen it.
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Neither have I.

All I have seen is a coach who LOVES to PASS whether he's got the personel to run the plays or not AND even if the opposing team can't stop the run all day long he's going to pass it anyway.

Its almost like his play book has four or five running plays sketched in the back written in pencil since he never uses them and will one day hope to erase them and have an exclusive pass only/reverse attack.
 
djfresh47 said:
If Linehan runs the ball twice and the team gets stuffed everybody is crying that the team is using the Dave strategy to lose football games
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i would rather the fins lose by using their strength than lose by relying on its weakness

if they stopped two plays in a row, than hats off to them.
 
ZOD said:
The QB/Receiver relationship is what sucks on this team. The plays have been there to be made. The players are not making plays. So now we echo "Run the ball".

One question that quickly comes to mind when I read that is "Why would they continue to run the ball at a wall when a receiver is consistently open down the field?"
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Because we dont have a QB who can throw it.

The RB's are gaining excellent yardage this year.

It's not like last year when our line was bad and we had no backs. This year the line is better and the backs are excellent in RB and RW.

However, the QB situation is just as bad and if your pass happy your basically putting the ball in the hands of your weak link in the offense (QB) and praying that he can deliver it to your playmakers.

Praying being the key word. That's where the problem lies. Its either gaining 4 yards a pop with the R&R combo or going with a 25% chance of success, or less, pass play in handing it to Gus and hope he can throw it right and to the right guy....on the same team.

If you told me we were running it like crazy and then passing when we have too, ok fine...but we aren't...we are constantly putting the game in Gus' hands and thats bogus.
 
Well obviously Lineham was the problem in Minnesota, I mean Daunte and the rest of the offense has really improved since he left. Our offensive talent is completely overrated and subpar outside of the backfield. Gus is playing like crap, our oline struggles to stay mediocre and our Wrs are a bunch of 2s and 3s on a good day. Lets stop acting stupid. This team has improved from last year on offense and defense, thats not saying a ton but this is the first year for Saban and Lineham. Lets let them get their guys in here and see what happens. Im tired of this kneejerk crap from people that dont seem to understand that last year wasnt some fluke year, our talent is subpar and we are rebuilding. Stop blaming coaches for not coming in here and turning 3-13 talent into a contender. This is just stupidity and its making these boards hard to read.
Can we have a messageboard where you have to pass an iq test to post?
 
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