Merged: Two players to speak against Incognito?

[JTC111]

Neither example applies here.

Your first one child stealing from another, and those children have no relationship other than one child is a victim. Your second example is extortion, not bullying, and it involves two strangers. This is not the case with Incognito/Martin, because Incognito did not steal or extort.

So by what authority did he take money?

I think you're implying that bullying and theft, as well as bullying and extortion, are mutually exclusive. Again, I have to disagree.

 

[flynryan15]

So by what authority did he take money?

The leadership council! Odd though the other members don't remember

 

[JTC111]

Something else I've been wondering about... The money that Martin gave Incognito, did RI claim it when he filed his tax returns?

 

[flynryan15]

Something else I've been wondering about... The money that Martin gave Incognito, did RI claim it when he filed his tax returns?

Nah he probably used it as a down payment on that Ferrari

 

[HoneyB]

Incorrect on both accounts. The relationship between the two people is irrelevant. You can absolutely bully someone you know and you can absolutely extort money from someone you know. Actually, those tend to be the most common occurrences.

Show me a boy in school who is friends with his bully. Who goes out after school and hangs with him. Who calls him on the phone all the time. Who is on the same team, or same club with his bully. Who laughs and has a good time with his bully. Who experiences his bully defend him against others. Does that boy exist?

Same thing with the mafia. Show me a store owner who confides in the guy who is extorting him, and invites him over for dinner, and texts back and forth with him.

So no, the relationship is not irrelevant.

 

[Gonzo]

Show me a boy in school who is friends with his bully. Who goes out after school and hangs with him. Who calls him on the phone all the time. Who is on the same team, or same club with his bully. Who laughs and has a good time with his bully. Who experiences his bully defend him against others. Does that boy exist?

Same thing with the mafia. Show me a store owner who confides in the guy who is extorting him, and invites him over for dinner, and texts back and forth with him.

So no, the relationship is not irrelevant.

Friends is a strong term. The "attempt to befriend a bully" happens ALL the time. It's a simple misguided idea of "if I am friends with him, he won't bully me anymore." I'm not going to show you because I'm on the internet and don't hang out with little boys. It's simply common (or so I thought) knowledge that this occurs and is a very common reaction to being bullied.

You clearly don't know what extortion is. Do you think the mafia is the only group that extorts people? One of the most common forms of extortion is threatening to expose an affair, which is usually done by somebody who knows the couple. Where is the mafia in those shenanigans? Another example is if a co-worker threatens another worker and forces him to pay him thousands of dollars to go on a vacation. That isn't limited to physical violence. It also includes threats to a person's career or reputation. So, yeah, it's not limited to "strangers."

 

[JTC111]

Show me a boy in school who is friends with his bully. Who goes out after school and hangs with him. Who calls him on the phone all the time. Who is on the same team, or same club with his bully. Who laughs and has a good time with his bully. Who experiences his bully defend him against others. Does that boy exist?

I'm a teacher. This isn't an unusual situation. Very often the bully and the victim will be part of the same friend set. So yes, that boy exists and there are very many of him.

 

[thenewloon]

I can't believe some of you! Seriously if this shot is true you can't see how Richie is a divisive force in the locker room? Large sums of money for entertainment? wtf that's not hazing or a right of passage it's ****ing extortion and larceny. You might hate Martin and these rookies for outing Incognito, but in the long run the franchise will be better off when it rids it's self of the human garbage that is Richie Ingcognito!

Umm...they don't have to pay

 

[Gonzo]

Umm...they don't have to pay

Neither does the person being extorted over the threat of having an affair exposed, or the person being extorted by the mafia, or the person being extorted by a co-worker. Doesn't make the act of extortion suddenly okay.

 

[HoneyB]

I'm a teacher. This isn't an unusual situation. Very often the bully and the victim will be part of the same friend set. So yes, that boy exists and there are very many of him.

You are taking this a step further into a more complicated relationship. And keep in mind, I'm not having a discussion over bullying, per se. Perhaps Martin was bullied, perhaps he wasn't. I was addressing ONLY the money. To that, the response to my post was, that yes, taking money is bullying, and the example I was provided, was a child stealing another child's "lunch money." So I would say, that if you have students that are part of the same friend set, which infers they are friends,...no one is stealing anyone else's lunch money. There's always going to be pressure, cohersion, begging, etc...because people are human. But one friend is not going to outright steal another friend's lunch money.

 

[Shouright]

Damning of Incognito if true. Martin won't need much corroboration here. Even a shred legitimizes his case considerably.

 

[Gonzo]

You are taking this a step further into a more complicated relationship. And keep in mind, I'm not having a discussion over bullying, per se. Perhaps Martin was bullied, perhaps he wasn't. I was addressing ONLY the money. To that, the response to my post was, that yes, taking money is bullying, and the example I was provided, was a child stealing another child's "lunch money." So I would say, that if you have students that are part of the same friend set, which infers they are friends,...no one is stealing anyone else's lunch money. There's always going to be pressure, cohersion, begging, etc...because people are human. But one friend is not going to outright steal another friend's lunch money.

You live in fantasy land and were either home schooled or didn't hang out with large groups of "friends" in school. It absolutely does happen, and quite often.

 

[thenewloon]

Neither does the person being extorted over the threat of having an affair exposed, or the person being extorted by the mafia, or the person being extorted by a co-worker. Doesn't make the act of extortion suddenly okay.

what? what exactly can Incognito expose if they don't pay? Not sure you know what extortion means...is he gonna break their knee caps with a baseball bat if they don't pay? Sorry but Incognito has no power to do anything to these guys other than not like them...NFL rookies have told vets to screw off MANY times in the past when they've been given bills for dinners and trips...Dez Bryant is a prime example of a player that refused to participate in any form of rookie hazing

 

[HoneyB]

You clearly don't know what extortion is. Do you think the mafia is the only group that extorts people? One of the most common forms of extortion is threatening to expose an affair, which is usually done by somebody who knows the couple.

You're mixing up the meanings. Extortion by the mafia for protection money, and blackmail by a third party who seeks financial gain from specific knowledge about something, is similar but not the same thing.

Extortion is extortion, blackmail is blackmail. Not bullying, in the traditional sense. Again, my point is, Martin may have been bullied, or felt bullied, but the fact that he gave players money for a pre-planned trip, is not part of the bullying, imo, but a separate issue.

 

[thenewloon]

here is how conversations about money should go

Vet: "hey rookie you owe us 15 thousand dollars"
Rookie: "no"
Vet: "...well...if you don't pay I'll...I'll...I guess I really can't do anything if you don't pay"