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I believe that MIA can build on this year's AFC EAST CHAMPIONSHIP with just a few added pieces. I've discussed that by replacing Vernon Carey at RT with Jordan Gross and adding Matt Birk to man the Center position would UPgrade our OL. And adding a FS like Otowga from STL would upgrade our secondary.

Now, I believe that our WR corps is not in need of such a BIG change. Greg Camarillo is so much Pennington's go to guy that he can easily put up Pro Bowl numbers with Pennington. He was on his way to leading us in receptions and as QB friendly and as good a route runner as he is, he could put up Pro Bowl numbers next season. So I would probably keep him at the possession receiver opposite Tedd Ginn.

Now, if you look at the 5 WRs, Camarillo has a legit backup with Davone Bess, who is the perfect slot receiver. Brandon London is a perfect STs player and a BIG and FAST WR that can round out as the 5th WR.

With Wilford likely gone...we don't have a backup to push Tedd Ginn Jr.

This is where I believe we will add to the WRs next season. Enter Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison is the perfect, older veteran that can push Ginn Jr to greatness....or replace him in the starting lineup as the deep threat.

The reason a BIG WR target is not really needed is because of how QB friendly "both" Camarillo and Bess are....not to mention Harrison will be...

but we have 2 BIG REDZONE targets in our TEs David Martin and Anthony Fasano. Plus, we like to use two TE sets anyways...

By adding rookie TE as the 3rd TE to be more of a blocking TE, we can use Martin and Fasano more as BIG WRs....kind of like SD uses Antonio Gates.

That would UPgrade our WR for 2009:

Deep Threat WRs: T. Ginn/M. Harrison
Possession WRs: G. Camarillo/B.London
Slot Receiver: D.Bess

TE: A.Fasano/D.Martin/(rookie blocking TE)

Another idea would be to draft a KR/PR specialist in the Tedd Ginn Jr/Devin Hester/D Jackson mode in the 3rd round to be Ginn's backup and replace Bess as the KR/PR. In this case, you replace Harrison with the rookie.
 
MrEd said:
I believe that MIA can build on this year's AFC EAST CHAMPIONSHIP with just a few added pieces. I've discussed that by replacing Vernon Carey at RT with Jordan Gross and adding Matt Birk to man the Center position would UPgrade our OL. And adding a FS like Otowga from STL would upgrade our secondary.

Now, I believe that our WR corps is not in need of such a BIG change. Greg Camarillo is so much Pennington's go to guy that he can easily put up Pro Bowl numbers with Pennington. He was on his way to leading us in receptions and as QB friendly and as good a route runner as he is, he could put up Pro Bowl numbers next season. So I would probably keep him at the possession receiver opposite Tedd Ginn.

Now, if you look at the 5 WRs, Camarillo has a legit backup with Davone Bess, who is the perfect slot receiver. Brandon London is a perfect STs player and a BIG and FAST WR that can round out as the 5th WR.

With Wilford likely gone...we don't have a backup to push Tedd Ginn Jr.

This is where I believe we will add to the WRs next season. Enter Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison is the perfect, older veteran that can push Ginn Jr to greatness....or replace him in the starting lineup as the deep threat.

The reason a BIG WR target is not really needed is because of how QB friendly "both" Camarillo and Bess are....not to mention Harrison will be...

but we have 2 BIG REDZONE targets in our TEs David Martin and Anthony Fasano. Plus, we like to use two TE sets anyways...

By adding rookie TE as the 3rd TE to be more of a blocking TE, we can use Martin and Fasano more as BIG WRs....kind of like SD uses Antonio Gates.

That would UPgrade our WR for 2009:

Deep Threat WRs: T. Ginn/M. Harrison
Possession WRs: G. Camarillo/B.London
Slot Receiver: D.Bess

TE: A.Fasano/D.Martin/(rookie blocking TE)
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i like the idea, but instead of harrison, its torry holt
 
I don't want Marvin Harrison. He is too old and on the downside of his career. They need to get someone younger that will be here a few years.
 
Ryan1973 said:
I don't want Marvin Harrison. He is too old and on the downside of his career. They need to get someone younger that will be here a few years.
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All our WR's are young (excluding Wlilford who will be gone), we could use a vet to help these guys out. Harrison, Holt even Toomer would be excellent additions.
 
The reason why I'm not high on drafting a WR is because we are very young at the position as is . . . . obviously if the team thinks Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt are legitimate #1 WR's . . . then I trust what they do.

But yea we need a veteran WR if anything . . . Wilford was SUPPOSED to be that.

Fact is, I honestly wouldn't mind keeping the 4 guys we have . . . Ginn is going to get better, Bess and Cam have roles on this team . . . and London is a guy with some potential and a red zone threat . . . also good on special teams.

Remember, we have Cobbs and Martin . . . both guys are key in the passing game as well.

The young guys we have will improve . . . but if u get a deal on a vet . . . u bring him in. I like the idea of Torry Holt. TJ is going to be too expensive.
 
MrEd said:
I believe that MIA can build on this year's AFC EAST CHAMPIONSHIP with just a few added pieces. I've discussed that by replacing Vernon Carey at RT with Jordan Gross and adding Matt Birk to man the Center position would UPgrade our OL. And adding a FS like Otowga from STL would upgrade our secondary.

Now, I believe that our WR corps is not in need of such a BIG change. Greg Camarillo is so much Pennington's go to guy that he can easily put up Pro Bowl numbers with Pennington. He was on his way to leading us in receptions and as QB friendly and as good a route runner as he is, he could put up Pro Bowl numbers next season. So I would probably keep him at the possession receiver opposite Tedd Ginn.

Now, if you look at the 5 WRs, Camarillo has a legit backup with Davone Bess, who is the perfect slot receiver. Brandon London is a perfect STs player and a BIG and FAST WR that can round out as the 5th WR.

With Wilford likely gone...we don't have a backup to push Tedd Ginn Jr.

This is where I believe we will add to the WRs next season. Enter Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison is the perfect, older veteran that can push Ginn Jr to greatness....or replace him in the starting lineup as the deep threat.

The reason a BIG WR target is not really needed is because of how QB friendly "both" Camarillo and Bess are....not to mention Harrison will be...

but we have 2 BIG REDZONE targets in our TEs David Martin and Anthony Fasano. Plus, we like to use two TE sets anyways...

By adding rookie TE as the 3rd TE to be more of a blocking TE, we can use Martin and Fasano more as BIG WRs....kind of like SD uses Antonio Gates.

That would UPgrade our WR for 2009:

Deep Threat WRs: T. Ginn/M. Harrison
Possession WRs: G. Camarillo/B.London
Slot Receiver: D.Bess

TE: A.Fasano/D.Martin/(rookie blocking TE)

Another idea would be to draft a KR/PR specialist in the Tedd Ginn Jr/Devin Hester/D Jackson mode in the 3rd round to be Ginn's backup and replace Bess as the KR/PR. In this case, you replace Harrison with the rookie.
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Harrison is washed up, he's got nothing left in the tank. Don't need him, also, we have enough small receivers, we need to add one more big one, and develop Brandon London. We don't necessarily need to do it in free agency either, the draft could be a good place depending upon how things play out.

I do agree that our receiver corps isn't as bad as some would think, but we do need one more weapon. Camarillo is good in the slot, Ginn is good to stretch the field, but he needs to develop more, we need one more guy, preferably a big possession receiver to relieve some of the double teams from Camarillo, and Ginn down the field. Our tight ends are solid, which is good, as are our backs in the passing game. So...Once more big receiver, and develop Brandon London, that's what I think you will see happen.
 
MrEd said:
I believe that MIA can build on this year's AFC EAST CHAMPIONSHIP with just a few added pieces. I've discussed that by replacing Vernon Carey at RT with Jordan Gross and adding Matt Birk to man the Center position would UPgrade our OL. And adding a FS like Otowga from STL would upgrade our secondary.

Now, I believe that our WR corps is not in need of such a BIG change. Greg Camarillo is so much Pennington's go to guy that he can easily put up Pro Bowl numbers with Pennington. He was on his way to leading us in receptions and as QB friendly and as good a route runner as he is, he could put up Pro Bowl numbers next season. So I would probably keep him at the possession receiver opposite Tedd Ginn.

Now, if you look at the 5 WRs, Camarillo has a legit backup with Davone Bess, who is the perfect slot receiver. Brandon London is a perfect STs player and a BIG and FAST WR that can round out as the 5th WR.

With Wilford likely gone...we don't have a backup to push Tedd Ginn Jr.

This is where I believe we will add to the WRs next season. Enter Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison is the perfect, older veteran that can push Ginn Jr to greatness....or replace him in the starting lineup as the deep threat.

The reason a BIG WR target is not really needed is because of how QB friendly "both" Camarillo and Bess are....not to mention Harrison will be...

but we have 2 BIG REDZONE targets in our TEs David Martin and Anthony Fasano. Plus, we like to use two TE sets anyways...

By adding rookie TE as the 3rd TE to be more of a blocking TE, we can use Martin and Fasano more as BIG WRs....kind of like SD uses Antonio Gates.

That would UPgrade our WR for 2009:

Deep Threat WRs: T. Ginn/M. Harrison
Possession WRs: G. Camarillo/B.London
Slot Receiver: D.Bess

TE: A.Fasano/D.Martin/(rookie blocking TE)

Another idea would be to draft a KR/PR specialist in the Tedd Ginn Jr/Devin Hester/D Jackson mode in the 3rd round to be Ginn's backup and replace Bess as the KR/PR. In this case, you replace Harrison with the rookie.
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Believe me, you don't want Marvin Harrison. He may even be worse than what his numbers indicate, he's washed up. If we're going to sign a FA WR, it should be Antonio Bryant, as he is (IMO) the best FA WR available.
 
We need a TO type receiver without the drops and attitude... Sounds like Boldin. I HAVE A DREAM!
 
CedarPhin said:
Antonio Bryant or even Clayton from Tampa wouldn't be bad pickups in FA.
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I think Bryant is going to be this years Wilford. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot poll. He is a perenially underachieving WR, who has gotten in a lot of trouble with the league, not to mention the law. He is a man of bad charecter, who is all about himself, and would not be a good fit in the "team" locker room of the Dolphins.
He is having an enormous year because his contract is up. He will definately get PAID next year, and I believe he will revert right back to his normal sloth self.
 
Bryant seems to disappear some times i dont want him, we might draft someone late like a Patrick Turner and pick up Miles Austin who Parcels drafted if im thinking correctly
 
I like what we have at WR. Could we maybe use one more guy from the Draft? Absolutely, it would only make the team better. Again, though our WR corps is very young and these guys will only continue to get better.
 
I really wouldn't mind drafting Hakeem Nicks, but I don't think we take a WR that high in the draft.
 
JimToss said:
I think Bryant is going to be this years Wilford. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot poll. He is a perenially underachieving WR.....
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Ok, stop right there....

For anybody that has ever watched Antonio Bryant play, it is easy to see Antonio Bryant's athleticism. Wilford has never been known for his athleticism. Bryant was the only receiver on that Bucs team that warranted any attention, always dragging the extra safety with him, and he still produced. They aren't in the least bit comparable, other than age. Antonio Bryant will be 28 at the start of next season, Ernest Wilford was 29 years old when the Dolphins signed him......that is where the comparisons end.

Despite being 2 years older than Bryant, Wilford hasn't accumulated anywhere near the stats that Antonio Bryant has.

Career stats:
Antonio Bryant: 333 receptions, 5,085 receiving yards (15.27 ypr), 26 touchdowns (93 games)
Ernest Wilford: 144 receptions, 2,019 receiving yards (14 ypr), 14 touchdowns (70 games)

Seasonal averages, prior to Wilford signing here (every 16 games):
Antonio Bryant: 57 receptions (57.29), 875 receiving yards (874.84) and 4 touchdowns (4.47)
Ernest Wilford: 34 receptions (33.78), 506 receiving yards (506.41) and 4 touchdowns (3.56) in 63 games.

Best statistical season:
Antonio Bryant: 83 receptions, 1,248 receiving yards and 7 touchdowns (16 games)
Ernest Wilford: 41 receptions, 681 receiving yards and 7 touchdowns (16 games)

2nd best season (yardage):
Antonio Bryant: 69 receptions, 1,009 receiving yards and 4 touchdowns (16 games)
Ernest Wilford: 36 receptions, 524 receiving yards and 2 touchdowns (16 games)

3rd best season (yardage):
Antonio Bryant: 44 receptions, 733 receiving yards and 6 touchdowns (16 games)
Ernest Wilford: 45 receptions, 518 receiving yards and 3 touchdowns (16 games0

4th best season (yardage):
Antonio Bryant: 40 receptions, 733 receiving yards and 3 touchdowns (14 games)
Ernest Wilford: 19 receptions, 271 receiving yards and 2 touchdowns (15 games)

Wilford was never the leading WR on his team, as a matter of fact, the best he did was 2nd on his team, mostly finishing 3rd and 4th. Last year alone, Bryant was the leading receiver with the Bucs, almost tripling that of the next leading receiver on the team (Clayton). Bryant was also the leading receiver with the 49ers in 2006 and with the Browns in 2005

Whenever I watched the Bucs play this season, Antonio Bryant was the only player that stood out, as we was constantly beating double teams.........he WAS the offense. I think Bryant is easily the best FA WR, yes, even better than Houshmandzadeh.
 
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