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Metrics are for....

Metrics can be useful but they can also be deceptive. At the same time, tape can be a bit misleading as well. You have to take into account all variables.

I'll use Brandon Weeden as an example because there were a lot of people on this board that loved him, CK being one of them. On tape he looked fine, but you had to take into account that.

1)Weeden had NFL talent all around him at Oklahoma State
2)He played in a very gimmicky offense
3)The Big 12 does not have good defenses for the most part.

So were the great plays him, Blackmon, the scheme, or the lack of talent he's going against?

I'll use Limas Sweed as another example. Dude was 6'4 and had decent stats, but again, he was a big WR going up against a very weak Big 12 that did not have much height if any in the secondaries. So again, people have to ask are his stats him or circumstance?

I also don't understand the YPA issue with Tannehill in an offense that has traditionally always been about YAC. Now the issue it turns out is we were absolutely abysmal in YAC. (some of that is scheme)
 
Gravity said:
Wrong about anything. In other words, when you assert something to be true, how do we know whether you're right or wrong?
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I guess you will have to make that call on your own. I don't have any formulas that say Jay Cutler is more responsible for wins than Tom Brady :lol:

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ChambersWI said:
Metrics can be useful but they can also be deceptive. At the same time, tape can be a bit misleading as well. You have to take into account all variables.

I'll use Brandon Weeden as an example because there were a lot of people on this board that loved him, CK being one of them. On tape he looked fine, but you had to take into account that.

1)Weeden had NFL talent all around him at Oklahoma State
2)He played in a very gimmicky offense
3)The Big 12 does not have good defenses for the most part.

So were the great plays him, Blackmon, the scheme, or the lack of talent he's going against?

I'll use Limas Sweed as another example. Dude was 6'4 and had decent stats, but again, he was a big WR going up against a very weak Big 12 that did not have much height if any in the secondaries. So again, people have to ask are his stats him or circumstance?

I also don't understand the YPA issue with Tannehill in an offense that has traditionally always been about YAC. Now the issue it turns out is we were absolutely abysmal in YAC. (some of that is scheme)
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I thought Brandon Weeden was a 3rd round prospect. His age, offense, and the talent around him, and lack of talent in the big 12 were all factored into that grade.
 
futurescout said:
I guess you will have to make that call on your own.
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So then there is no way of knowing what you assert is right or wrong. I would think that would be an inherent weakness of that kind of approach, i.e., there is nothing to verify its accuracy.
 
Gravity said:
So then there is no way of knowing what you assert is right or wrong. I would think that would be an inherent weakness of that kind of approach, i.e., there is nothing to verify its accuracy.
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Either the players I say in the draft are good, or they are busts. Pretty simple. It's black and white. I don't have any mathematical formulas that make no sense, and still don't prove anything.
 
futurescout said:
Either the players I say in the draft are good, or they are busts. Pretty simple. It's black and white. I don't have any mathematical formulas that make no sense, and still don't prove anything.
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Well I would agree that if what we're talking about is predicting the future, we're going to find little in the way of reliable assessment methods either in the area of "metrics" or in subjective opinions, whether personal or authoritative.

However, if we're talking about assessing something in the past or present, I think we'll find far more reliability in what can be objectively verified than in the personal or authoritative opinions of people with a strong emotional investment in the subject matter.
 
futurescout said:
I guess you will have to make that call on your own. I don't have any formulas that say Jay Cutler is more responsible for wins than Tom Brady :lol:

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I thought Brandon Weeden was a 3rd round prospect. His age, offense, and the talent around him, and lack of talent in the big 12 were all factored into that grade.
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I agree, I was just using him as an example since some on the board loved him
 
Metrics are important, just not to the degree that some on here make them out to be.
 
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