It's called a "fireside chat". If you want to read the riot act you sit them down and look at them. If you just want to make a point without starting a fire you do it casually, off to the side like it is not the end of the world. Last thing he needs is to make Dansby irritated and attacked. He made his point just fine.
Miami Dolphins coach Joe Philbin not fazed by players’ criticism
- Thread starter DKphin
- Start date
A picture is just a millisecond in time....a very small fraction of their conversation. Do we know for a fact that he didn't make eye contact with Dansby? Jeez, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.
flynryan15
Club Member
- Joined
- Jan 8, 2009
- Messages
- 15,441
- Reaction score
- 2,556
You are better then that! I admit I was skeptical of the Philbin hire, I said I would wait to see his on the field product. I have yet to pass judgment, I am just posting my observations. Philbin is the learder of 88 Gladiators, they are all type a personalities, he needs command pressence. This my way or I will cut you only goes so far! We are a couple months in to his tenure and players alreadt feel comfortable crying about him to the media. No way that happens to Harrbaugh!
enigmatics
Go get me a juice box!
In a way I understand your apprehension. I noticed the same thing when he was talking to Chad Johnson on Hard Knocks about the f-bombs. Chad was literally looking right at him, firm attention on Philbin .... but Philbin was looking straight forward at the field, only occasionally glancing over at Chad.
That kind of thing doesn't float in the professional world, I know that much. It's a sign of respect to look somebody in the eye when you're having an important conversation with them. Obviously that is only a photo and we haven't seen the actual footage of Los and Philbin talking ..... but I personally want to see Philbin clean that up a little bit after what I saw in that first episode.
-81- McMichael
Active Roster
So, so well said. BINGO! Glad somebody else gets it.
Roman529
Moon Runner / The 3 AM Crew
Some coaches are too soft (Cam Cameron), while others become Little Napoleons (Saban). I think a Head Coach needs to show that he is in charge, and the best way to do this is by treating your players consistently. Had Philbin kept Chad Johnson around it would be sending the message that you can mouth off and break the law and get away with it. I am happy Coach Philbin did what he did. If players like Dansby don't like it, well they can chirp all they want to when they become coaches or GM's.
Da Phinishisher
'Shisher
Hey guys just my honest observation. I hope he succeeds as much as the next guy.
I think some are missing my point though about engaging people through eye contact and body posturing in general. The context of the conversation can be positive or negative. Just because he's looking him in the eyes doesn't mean it has to be negative.
My point is that Philbin is now in a position where he is a leader of men and from watching his conversation with Johnson on hard knocks, I think he has room for improvement on how he connects with his players and forms that bond that makes them want to run through a wall for him.
He is new to this and I think he can get better and I hope he does. It may not even matter in the end but its something I just noticed.
I think some are missing my point though about engaging people through eye contact and body posturing in general. The context of the conversation can be positive or negative. Just because he's looking him in the eyes doesn't mean it has to be negative.
My point is that Philbin is now in a position where he is a leader of men and from watching his conversation with Johnson on hard knocks, I think he has room for improvement on how he connects with his players and forms that bond that makes them want to run through a wall for him.
He is new to this and I think he can get better and I hope he does. It may not even matter in the end but its something I just noticed.
72champagne
the annual ritual
if someones behavior was as infantile and pathetic as Johnsons was, i wouldn't look at them either. the message johnson should construe from that is he and his behavior aren't WORTH looking at. however, when your words and tone are as ineffectual as Philbins were then your whole presentation suffers.
i thought he mostly got off track when trying to teach chad the relative power of the infrequent f-bomb as opposed to continually using it. first of all, keep it simple. chad can only absorb so much instruction at once. state concisely what behavior was intolerable and then ask chad if he understands and intends to correct his behavior. assuming he says yes you then make clear the consequences of his failure to do so. end of story. back to business.
i thought he mostly got off track when trying to teach chad the relative power of the infrequent f-bomb as opposed to continually using it. first of all, keep it simple. chad can only absorb so much instruction at once. state concisely what behavior was intolerable and then ask chad if he understands and intends to correct his behavior. assuming he says yes you then make clear the consequences of his failure to do so. end of story. back to business.
Locke
They looked like strong hands.
I think you're overreacting. Eye contact is a cultural habit that varies greatly, even within the same country. I'm someone who maintains steady eye contact throughout conversations with a colleague or boss. However, with my closer relationships, I'm much more lax with it. What I see here is, from a still photograph that tells probably less than a second of the entire interaction, is a coach talking to a player as peers, not as colleagues. It's a common practice for people in a professional setting to connect with people working for them by treating them like equals, as opposed to an underling. I have limited knowledge of sports psychology, but my best guess here would be that when you are dealing with a controversy, it's best to talk to the player as a friend as opposed to a boss, at least someone like Dansby who by all accounts is a damn good person. It probably lands better that way.
Long story short, you're making too much of this no eye-contact thing. There are a hundred different reasons for not maintaining eye contact, and if it was for what you're implying, it's doubtful he would have gotten the job in the first place. Watch some interviews he does with the media, he looks the person asking him the question in the eye every time. Looks to me like he knows what he is doing...
This is the only thing Sean Smith should be concerning himself with:
v. tack·led, tack·ling, tack·les
v.tr.
1. To grab hold of and wrestle with (an
opponent).
2. Sports
a. To stop (an opponent carrying the ball),
especially by forcing the opponent to the ground.
b. To obstruct (a player with the ball) in order to
cause loss of possession of the ball.
v. tack·led, tack·ling, tack·les
v.tr.
1. To grab hold of and wrestle with (an
opponent).
2. Sports
a. To stop (an opponent carrying the ball),
especially by forcing the opponent to the ground.
b. To obstruct (a player with the ball) in order to
cause loss of possession of the ball.
enigmatics
Go get me a juice box!
The head coach should always be looking players in the eyes when delivering an important message. Doesn't matter how irritated he might be. Looking someone in the eyes lets them know you mean business. Looking away can come off very insecure.
Locke
They looked like strong hands.
Can, but not always. In fact, it would be in the minority of the time it means insecure. You're making an awful lot of assumptions in this post...
flynryan15
Club Member
- Joined
- Jan 8, 2009
- Messages
- 15,441
- Reaction score
- 2,556
Another observation from the picture. Dansby has a Channing Chrowderesq Muffin Top!
enigmatics
Go get me a juice box!
I said "can come off" .... what part of that didn't you read?
Regardless when you want to deliver a message, look somebody in the eye. Can you imagine giving a job interview and you're supposed to drive home why you're the best candidate but you're off staring around the room instead of at your future employer? No. How about if the employer you're interviewing with is off looking somewhere else while you two are talking ..... would anything get accomplished? No.
Logic ..... and not the fan forum kind.
Phins117
Practice Squad
- Joined
- Oct 30, 2011
- Messages
- 1,561
- Reaction score
- 4
I have noticed most people don't like others opinions on this site. But I can understand your point of view in this perspective. However I can respectably disagree. I feel Philbin is handling everything masterfully and with no hesitation. He said his behavior could jeopardize his spot on the team and it did. When I see Philbin talking and looking down or away from the person, I see someone that is trying is hardest to make the other person understand what he is trying to say. I don't think this will be a long term thing. I feel once he has his team and every player in that locker room finaly trusts him (which they don't), he will stare into their souls. You have to understand the type of atmosphere that is in that building. Miami has been through a lot of weird things and most of them were sudden. No one is used to anything ATM and anything can change since it always has in the passed. No one really has their feet on the ground. And on top of that they have cameras everywhere. Philbin is choosing his words carefully. If he says one wrong thing the media will rip him to shreds. He will be fine.