Miami's identity & Seattle's formula

[Irishfinfan1]

drafting well is a good formula? got it

That is really the bottom line, draft well and have a consistent coaching philosophy so that players drafted will fit the scheme.
As for the smash mouth v finesse it could be that finesse suits us better, with games in the Miami heat and humidity a fast paced game could wear teams out quite quickly, especially heavier teams. I've no great preference between smash mouth and finesse, I'd probably prefer something in between because there are times when you want to be able to pass it, and times when you want to run it. Our O last year was clearly unbalanced and should be in better shape this next season. As for the D again I don't have a great preference, but probably at the minute our players suit the 3-4 better.

 

[ohall]

Phailbin also wants 'puppies' that don't bark or bite! he wants everybody to be quiet and listen to teacher... friggin guy bores his players to death

No Philbin wants the players he chooses, not the players someone else chose.

Some of you act like this thought process is a rare thing in sports let alone the world we all live in.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Sure, Sparano/Parcells tried, but failed. Parcells, quit on this team and Sparano is not a good coach.

Sure don't remember you advocating keeping the system in place. If you did, I would sure like to see it. You are vocal on alot of things, but I don't remember you in 2010/11 debating those who wanted a more finesse/passing team. Sparano and Parcells are one thing, but the system was another.

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I think what the fanbase was upset about was playing conservative 17 point games that always came down to the last possession and never being able to put anyone away. SEA and SF both have dynamic offenses.

Those offenses are far from dynamic. Kaep running the ball isn't dynamic, its desperation. Wilson was also quite pedestrian yesterday. He made 2 throws that won that game.

 

[malek2972]

Totally agree with Hayden on this one. One of the big problems this past season was that the GM went out and got players that didn't fit into a finesse system. Just because an OL is rated highly on profootball focus doesn't necessarily mean they'll excel in a zone blocking scheme. Same thing could be said about our LBs - they go to other teams and seem to excel in that new system. It'll be up to the new GM to work with the HC and find players that fit Philibin's blueprint. They may not be sexy names but hopefully they'll serve us better.

With that said, I too prefer a much more physical/aggressive style of play (just personal a preference). Philibin should at least be given the chance to construct his vision.

 

[Markcalius]

That's always the way it evolves, just like Lakers Showtime snuffed out by the Bad Boy Pistons, opening the door to the fantastic defensive minded '90s NBA.

Sorry, but it pains me to read that, having been born in Inglewood and enjoyed all those great 80s showdowns. ...The Bad Boy Pistons never "snuffed out" Showtime. The Lakers beat the Pistons in '88. The Pistons beat the Lakers in '89 after Magic and Byron Scott went out with injuries (after the Lakers had swept every opponent in the playoffs). Kareem was gone after that, and Showtime simply ceased to be. The Pistons filled the vacuum for one season ('90), before the Lakers met the Bulls in the Finals in '91, and the rest of the 90s was all Chicago.

Some teams did find success adopting the Bad Boy style though, for better or for worse. Basically just pushing the limit of what referees will permit. It's a good way to try to even the talent gap.

 

[Rev Kev]

You guys crack me up. A few years ago we hated Parcells for his ancient offense. Now half of you wish we could have it back. The good GM's see the trends and then take advantage of them, not by following the trend but by getting value where other people are passing on it so they can follow the trend. Seattle got Marshawn Lynch for practically nothing. The market was chasing WR's and QB's offensively, and Seattle got themselves a stud. Same with Oline, the market is chasing pass blockers for their passing attacks and guys that can dominate with run blocking with average pass blocking skills are a bargain. This is how you build a team. This trend has been going on for a while. With the exposure seattle, 49ers, baltimore (last year), have given power running and defense, you can expect teams to build in that direction again. Not saying we should, but it should allow some value at other positions that wasn't there before.

Team went completely off the rails when we brought CP10 in and Brady went down handing us the Division - And the team and fanbase thought we had arrived. We should have stayed away from CP10 and TAKEN OUR LUMPS LIKE ANY REBUILD - drafted early the next few years. And perhaps we might have been built to withstand the O and D line dominance of the AFCE. Knowing the draft record today of BBP and Sons you can hardly put any credence into that, but that PO game was a mirage and we got hammered against the Ravens was all I needed to see, how far away we really were.

 

[Rev Kev]

I think what the fanbase was upset about was playing conservative 17 point games that always came down to the last possession and never being able to put anyone away. SEA and SF both have dynamic offenses.

The game is won in the trenches whether you play more conservative or not - being able to dictate to the D how they can play you really helps, but running the ball opens up the passing game and that is just a trusted theme -> We got crushed on the LOS in the final two games -> dismantled

 

[phishxhead]

Sure don't remember you advocating keeping the system in place. If you did, I would sure like to see it. You are vocal on alot of things, but I don't remember you in 2010/11 debating those who wanted a more finesse/passing team. Sparano and Parcells are one thing, but the system was another.

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Those offenses are far from dynamic. Kaep running the ball isn't dynamic, its desperation. Wilson was also quite pedestrian yesterday. He made 2 throws that won that game.

Are you actually defending Sparano's offense? Kick field goals and keep the game close? Yes our team needed to become more dynamic and be able to throw the ball effectively to score in the regular season. I was excited for Philbin, but I guess I didn't expect to for him to make our offense worse AND completely destroy any semblance of a run game. I don't think that anyone signed up for that. I think most everyone thought Philbin was more of a mastermind than he turned out to be. As fans, we don't get to interview these guys, all we have to go on is perception.

 

[FinHopeful]

We had 3 of the worst rushing performances in franchise history and we gave up a franchise record number of sacks in the same year.

You can have whatever identity you want. If you can't block anybody, you're not going to win games. I don't even know how we won 8, to be honest with you.

We have some player makers that allowed us to close out some games. This is the main reason I still support Tannehill. He won some games for us. Wakes is an impact player. Wallace is a good weapon. Hartline is a clutch receiver. Grimes makes plays. Jordan neutralizes tight ends and RB for couple of seconds. He makes key open field tackles and some big plays.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Team went completely off the rails when we brought CP10 in and Brady went down handing us the Division - And the team and fanbase thought we had arrived. We should have stayed away from CP10 and TAKEN OUR LUMPS LIKE ANY REBUILD - drafted early the next few years. And perhaps we might have been built to withstand the O and D line dominance of the AFCE. Knowing the draft record today of BBP and Sons you can hardly put any credence into that, but that PO game was a mirage and we got hammered against the Ravens was all I needed to see, how far away we really were.

Losing during the reg season to BALT should have been the eye opener. But people were thirsty for wins, and sadly they were drinking the kool aid. CP10 was a mistake that set this franchise back, 2 maybe 3 years. I would have started Henne and learned from Game 1 week 1, what he had.

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Are you actually defending Sparano's offense? Kick field goals and keep the game close? Yes our team needed to become more dynamic and be able to throw the ball effectively to score in the regular season. I was excited for Philbin, but I guess I didn't expect to for him to make our offense worse AND completely destroy any semblance of a run game. I don't think that anyone signed up for that. I think most everyone thought Philbin was more of a mastermind than he turned out to be. As fans, we don't get to interview these guys, all we have to go on is perception.

I have no idea where you got such a assertion. No where in my posts did I say a thing. The system is the topic.

 

[FinHopeful]

This is the best formula for our team - given the division we play in (cold/outdoors) and the fact we don't have an uber-elite QB. Copy what works and has always worked. Play D and run the ball.

Great coaching maximizes the talent of players you have on your roster. I do not want to start over again. My hope for Lazor is that he will trailer his offense to the strengths of Hartline, Clay, Tannehill, Wallace, and Gibson. He made a big point of having a vision. I am eager to see if he has one. I expect him to prioritize getting a deep ball connection with Wallace. We need to go deep at least 5 times a game. We need to hit at least three of those. We need to hit one on the first series of most games. That will open up the defense enough for Hartline, Clay, and Gibson to be effective. Tannehill does a good job with play action. The running game beeds to improve for that to work.

 

[phishxhead]

The system is the topic.

The Sparano system was garbage. Whats your point? Did you want to keep it? Given the choice of more Sparano or the promise of Philbin, its hard to fault the fans. How was anyone 2 guess that Philbin would make the O worse.

 

[phishxhead]

Great coaching maximizes the talent of players you have on your roster. I do not want to start over again. My hope for Lazor is that he will trailer his offense to the strengths of Hartline, Clay, Tannehill, Wallace, and Gibson. He made a big point of having a vision. I am eager to see if he has one. I expect him to prioritize getting a deep ball connection with Wallace. We need to go deep at least 5 times a game. We need to hit at least three of those. We need to hit one on the first series of most games. That will open up the defense enough for Hartline, Clay, and Gibson to be effective. Tannehill does a good job with play action. The running game beeds to improve for that to work.

What exact system does our talent dictate? Our OL is more power than zone it seems, but will all change this offseason. Our QB is not a deep baller and I doubt he ever will. Our RBs suck as much as our OL does.

 

[Third Eye]

Miami went 3-2 in December and beat the team that just lost the AFC Championship game.

Apparently you are fooled into thinking Miami is tough enough. Yes they played a good game to barely hang on against NE (another team that isn't quite built tough enough) because Brady settled for FGs all game. Miami escaped that game but look at this team with your own eyes. They are not built right now tough enough to consistently win tough Dec and Jan road games. You seriously think they can run a 4 minute offense to protect a lead on the road with Miller and company? Forget it.

Apparently a blatant lack of being able to convert 3rd and 1 all season is quickly forgotten by you. Oh we'll, just go shotgun and run a quick slant to the always physical Wallace. See how far that gets you come playoffs.

 

[Rev Kev]

Losing during the reg season to BALT should have been the eye opener. But people were thirsty for wins, and sadly they were drinking the kool aid. CP10 was a mistake that set this franchise back, 2 maybe 3 years. I would have started Henne and learned from Game 1 week 1, what he had.[COLOR="Silver"]
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I have no idea where you got such a assertion. No where in my posts did I say a thing. The system is the topic.

We have disagreed in the past but we always agreed on building from the the Lines out - and on Henne - the overall team leadership, the practice 3 sec clock, it was all too much for him, it would have alll been clearer sooner, his fragility, i know you and a handful of others like me hated the CP10 pick up, for the very reason we fell behind the mandate to find a franchise QB