Mixed Signals on Dolphins Direction This Off Season?

[truedolfan57]

I truly believe philbin is learning how to be a good head coach as anyone who's trying to be in a new position. with what happened last season with bullygate, I think philbin knows he needs to be more involved. something I don't think he really knew. I think people forget that philbin has never been a head coach before, at any level, and he will have a few bumps. saying all that, with no HC experience, I think he's done a good job so far. I think we will see huge strides this year with the coaching and players.

 

[nick1]

Im happy with philbin but you cant deny the facts. No playoffs 3 years your gone.

 

[Digital]

I'm a Philbin fan. I want what they have built in Green Bay and I want a team that isn't just a better group of thugs than the next team.

But, as Jerry Glanville once said, "This is the NFL, which stands for Not For Long" when things aren't going your way. Coaches are typically given 3 years to prove themselves, their staffs and their systems. This is year 3. Beginning 7-9 and 8-8 are not determinative, but he will be judged by the team at the end of this season.

Generally, 9-7 and the playoffs is the floor. Anything less than that and the expectation is that the coach will be fired. I'm sure Philbin knew that when he took the job. I'm sure he understands what that means for him this year.

I love the Lazor and Benton hires. Both huge upgrades. But, this is the 'prove it' year for everyone.

That's just the way of things.

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[Despacio]

There's only one signal, Ryan Tannehill. This franchise only goes as far as he develops.


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[JTC111]

Some Phans belive that we should be rebuilding with young talet for the near future, while others want to see immediate results after many years of patience. To me, it seems like Philbin and Hickey are kinda on the fence in going both ways.

I think between Philbin and Hickey you probably have competing interests to some degree. Philbin has immediate needs because there's increased pressure on him to produce a quality team after two years of mediocrity, while Hickey is likely looking at least as much, if not more, at the long term picture. Ross is to blame for the conflicting interests because he forced an unproven head coach onto his new, and also unproven, GM. I'm reasonably sure that in the long run we're going to regret Ross keeping Philbin. And in a year or two, if we're looking to hire a new head coach, I'm going to hope that Ross takes a back seat and forces Hickey to own the new guy. That way, if the mediocrity continues, Ross will have less reluctance to clean house.

On one side, we seem to want to build through the draft, and have signed some young talent in FA. On the other hand, we have signed/re-signed older players like Grimes, Finnegen, Starks, and Albert to big contracts.

Bringing in better leadership is probably where the interests of both Philbin and Hickey are most aligned. I can't imagine anyone is making the case that there were enough positive leaders and good role models in the Fins locker room last year.

 

[utahphinsfan]

the team has never said a thing about philbin on a short leash. neither have the players. philbin was handed [in his second year] one of the worst drafts in nfl history, leaving him with the same crappy, void off of talent squad he had in year one. not his fault!! not his fault martin couldnt handle an nfl locker room.

we were 8-8 last year with the worst o-line in the game, a qb who couldnt hit the big play to save his soul and held the ball to long and a nation wide scandal and he got us to 8-8.

thats a damn good coach in my book.

Agreed. It was not turning water into wine. Joe did an amazing job at being handed chicken shizzle and turning it into chicken salad.

 

[roy_miami]

I'm a Philbin fan. I want what they have built in Green Bay and I want a team that isn't just a better group of thugs than the next team.

But, as Jerry Glanville once said, "This is the NFL, which stands for Not For Long" when things aren't going your way. Coaches are typically given 3 years to prove themselves, their staffs and their systems. This is year 3. Beginning 7-9 and 8-8 are not determinative, but he will be judged by the team at the end of this season.

Generally, 9-7 and the playoffs is the floor. Anything less than that and the expectation is that the coach will be fired. I'm sure Philbin knew that when he took the job. I'm sure he understands what that means for him this year.

I love the Lazor and Benton hires. Both huge upgrades. But, this is the 'prove it' year for everyone.

That's just the way of things.

We'll have a lot more answers after this season for sure. One thing I like is Philbin hasn't coddled Tannehill and he's had all the pressure put squarely on his shoulders since he first stepped on the field against Houston, if he's ever going to be ready it should be right now. I disagree Philbin is in trouble without playoffs though, I think the entire remaining staff has been given a 2 year reprieve.

 

[Twitches Brew]

In the two years before Philbin got here, we went 13-19. Philbin has gone 15-17. That ain't good enough. And unlike Sparano, Philbin actually has a quarterback. If we miss the playoffs he should be gone.

 

[1-4-damoney-Tua-4-dashow]

This is the year. We as Phans expect and deserve playoffs this year. 2014 has been the target season for me since we jumped on this Philbin Tannehill train. Only way Philbin sees 2015 without a playoff birth is if big time injuries cripple the squad. Even then it's iffy.

Ross will want to throw a new head coach at thill as a last ditch effort on his investment if he and the team don't make the leap this year under Philbin.

 

[AFCMiamiEast]

well, it was said NICK. just because you have taken the ball and ran with it doesnt make it so.

i explained the reason why HE IS NOT on any hot seat and i havnt seen ANYONE give a real reason why he should be.

if you would have know before last year what was going to happen, the o-line, the completely bust draft, tanny not improving enough, the scandal. would you have looked at all that and went, oh yeah, were 8-8 no problem. no, you would not have. i wouldnt either. philbin did a hell of a coaching job through all that and going 8-8. had tanny not COMPLETELY TANKED those last two games, we would have made the playoffs. didnt everyone say how much the o-line improved after martin and ritchie were gone? i heard lots of that. he had won games behind that same line and only needing to win ONE game agaisnt two division rivals with weaker records, one we had already beat during the season. thats not all on philbin.

like i said, i have given many reasons he shouldnt and WONT be fired. how about something from the philbin haters [non rumor] that says he IS on the seat, someone who matters not finphaninukraine316guru or armondo. a LEGIT source. its all speculation [hope] from the haters who refuse to see what an actual good job he did under some of the worst circumstances a coach could have.

i see whats actually IS there nick, not what i want to be there.

Chillax...smoke a bowl or something...you don't got to be so damn high strung all the time.

 

[iambanned]

I try and think positive about Hickey, but not allowing a new GM to fire Philbin really chafed me because nothing about Philbin was worth keeping at the expense of limiting our choices for GM.

If Juwan James and Jarvis Landry prove to be busts, we will see the true power of the 'Death Star' that is the negative perception of our beloved franchise. Like, we'll be moved or contracted in 3 years.

I'm hoping we just got lucky and Hickey did OK and those two players and our draft work out great. It will just be dumb luck if that's the case. We 'got' a guy for GM who the Buccaneers wanted gone.
Hickey was like the Chad Johnson of front office help ( the Chad Johnson we cut).

 

[roy_miami]

I try and think positive about Hickey, but not allowing a new GM to fire Philbin really chafed me because nothing about Philbin was worth keeping at the expense of limiting our choices for GM.

If Juwan James and Jarvis Landry prove to be busts, we will see the true power of the 'Death Star' that is the negative perception of our beloved franchise. Like, we'll be moved or contracted in 3 years.

I'm hoping we just got lucky and Hickey did OK and those two players and our draft work out great. It will just be dumb luck if that's the case. We 'got' a guy for GM who the Buccaneers wanted gone.
Hickey was like the Chad Johnson of front office help ( the Chad Johnson we cut).

A good GM could come from anywhere, there are probably even several members on this forum that could be successful at it. The first and most important criteria is being smart and any candidate that turned down an opportunity just because he would be forced to work with Philbin is not very smart so we didn't want them anyway.

 

[phinzfan21]

If the Draft turns out good it's dumb luck? So they probably did no research and evaluating the players or analyzed anything about them. Ok....

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[phintim]

IMO Philbin loosing both those games at the end of the year puts him on the hot seat, throw in the offensive line blowup and it all points that it looks like he is out of touch with his team. Its not rocket science either to see that most of the NFL brass agrees that things in Miami are about to go bad after basically every canidate for the Miami GM job turned it down for one reason or another. We ended up with Tampa Bays left overs for a GM a franchise that makes Miami look like a power house. That being said I would love to be wrong and have Philbin and Hickey ending up turning out to be two dark horse canidates that run the table but I am not betting on it by any means.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Philbin deserves at least two years removed from Ireland, IMO and should be safe this year with at least 9 wins whether or not that secures a playoff spot.