Mixed Signals on Dolphins Direction This Off Season?

[phintim]

Philbin deserves at least two years removed from Ireland, IMO and should be safe this year with at least 9 wins whether or not that secures a playoff spot.

Why because Philbin never had his hand picked GM Ireland could make the same claim about never getting the chance to pick his head coach. This years rookies will tell us something but if not vamose Philbin and Hickey is my projection for this year.

 

[roy_miami]

Why because Philbin never had his hand picked GM Ireland could make the same claim about never getting the chance to pick his head coach. This years rookies will tell us something but if not vamose Philbin and Hickey is my projection for this year.

I predict its an 8-8 team at worst and 8-8 will not be enough to clean house so nobody (major) is getting fired. And I'll put vcash on that prediction if anybody wants.

 

[Geforce]

Some Phans belive that we should be rebuilding with young talet for the near future, while others want to see immediate results after many years of patience. To me, it seems like Philbin and Hickey are kinda on the fence in going both ways.

On one side, we seem to want to build through the draft, and have signed some young talent in FA. On the other hand, we have signed/re-signed older players like Grimes, Finnegen, Starks, and Albert to big contracts.

Is the combo deal the right way to go or, would it be better to go one way or the other?

I think that is exactly what they want to do, build through the draft. Albert and Grimes are the only older players this off-season to sign a deal for more than two years. The other players signed can either be released this season or next with very little salary cap ramifications.

 

[So Be]

I think that is exactly what they want to do, build through the draft. Albert and Grimes are the only older players this off-season to sign a deal for more than two years. The other players signed can either be released this season or next with very little salary cap ramifications.

Everyone in the NFL would like to do the same. However, I believe that Philbin has to win this year, and according to an agent in one of Jackson's articles, Philbin is in charge. Our problems, from a year ago, were far and away the OL and LB's. Yet, the only guaranteed improvement is Albert on both positions of need. Hard to understand.

Not saying that there were tons of options but, there were upgrades at the right price.

 

[tay0365]

Some Phans belive that we should be rebuilding with young talet for the near future, while others want to see immediate results after many years of patience. To me, it seems like Philbin and Hickey are kinda on the fence in going both ways.

On one side, we seem to want to build through the draft, and have signed some young talent in FA. On the other hand, we have signed/re-signed older players like Grimes, Finnegen, Starks, and Albert to big contracts.

Is the combo deal the right way to go or, would it be better to go one way or the other?

I think this is the perfect blend of players, most of the roster are pretty to very young, while a few other are older Vets....yet if you look further, you will see other young players that with some seasoning will be able to take over for those Vets the moment they are gone.

 

[Geforce]

Everyone in the NFL would like to do the same. However, I believe that Philbin has to win this year, and according to an agent in one of Jackson's articles, Philbin is in charge. Our problems, from a year ago, were far and away the OL and LB's. Yet, the only guaranteed improvement is Albert on both positions of need. Hard to understand.

Not saying that there were tons of options but, there were upgrades at the right price.

This is the problem, there were not a ton of options and those upgrades were only available at the right price when people apply after-the-facts solutions to the equations.

 

[HoneyB]

oh? who says?

people have been flapping this around like it is some sort of gospel. and the ONLY place this has come from? THE PHILBIN HATERS!!!

the team has never said a thing about philbin on a short leash. neither have the players. philbin was handed [in his second year] one of the worst drafts in nfl history, leaving him with the same crappy, void off of talent squad he had in year one. not his fault!! not his fault martin couldnt handle an nfl locker room.

we were 8-8 last year with the worst o-line in the game, a qb who couldnt hit the big play to save his soul and held the ball to long and a nation wide scandal and he got us to 8-8.

thats a damn good coach in my book. but all this philbin is gone if this happens or if that doesnt happen is NONSENSE!! one hater says it and the rest follow like sheep. boss ross isnt letting philbin go any time to soon. not after what he was handed last year. it would take a major collapse this year and next for ross to put him on any hot seat.

Hasn't had a winning record, not good with personnel, hasn't proven his scheme can work, and in the 3rd year, when things should be coming together, we're uprooting the fundamental elements (O line coach, OC Coach, Offensive line players, giving the QB a new scheme, etc).

Despite what many choose to believe, Joe Philbin has been HANDS ON with his team, and this is HIS team, not anyone else's. He has been right there with draft picks, with firings, with all decisions.

 

[roy_miami]

Despite what many choose to believe, Joe Philbin has been HANDS ON with his team, and this is HIS team, not anyone else's. He has been right there with draft picks, with firings, with all decisions.

In my humble opinion anybody with an ounce of common sense could see that Ireland was the decider on this team.

Knowing what we know now only a moron would want to put it all on the line with Jonathan Martin as the only option at LT (drugs, suicide, walking out on the team), we know Ireland is indeed a moron but are you suggesting both Ireland and Philbin are morons? I'm pretty sure that if Philbin had final say on personnel we would have been a playoff team, meaning our personnel guy, the guy that was supposed to be an attribute to the team, was actually a hindrance. Because I would bet anything that Philbin would have gotten us a competent left tackle for our developing QB. And I don't even know if Philbin is a good personnel guy or not, I wish we had a good personnel guy so that Philbin could just concentrate on coaching, but Ireland was like a 30lb weight hanging off his ankle.

 

[HoneyB]

In my humble opinion anybody with an ounce of common sense could see that Ireland was the decider on this team.

Knowing what we know now only a moron would want to put it all on the line with Jonathan Martin as the only option at LT (drugs, suicide, walking out on the team), we know Ireland is indeed a moron but are you suggesting both Ireland and Philbin are morons? I'm pretty sure that if Philbin had final say on personnel we would have been a playoff team, meaning our personnel guy, the guy that was supposed to be an attribute to the team, was actually a hindrance. Because I would bet anything that Philbin would have gotten us a competent left tackle for our developing QB. And I don't even know if Philbin is a good personnel guy or not, I wish we had a good personnel guy so that Philbin could just concentrate on coaching, but Ireland was like a 30lb weight hanging off his ankle.

I'm not an Ireland defender by any stretch of the imagination, and he should have been fired in the last purge. But anyone who assumes Philbin was just taking orders and had no influence on who stays and goes on this team, or who we draft to fit his scheme, is pretty naive. Jonathan Martin was exactly the right type of player for Joe Philbin: Stanford guy, intelligent, doesn't mouth off, good character, and fits a ZBS.

 

[roy_miami]

I'm not an Ireland defender by any stretch of the imagination, and he should have been fired in the last purge. But anyone who assumes Philbin was just taking orders and had no influence on who stays and goes on this team, or who we draft to fit his scheme, is pretty naive. Jonathan Martin was exactly the right type of player for Joe Philbin: Stanford guy, intelligent, doesn't mouth off, good character, and fits a ZBS.

How Martin found his way on the roster is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is Philbin didn't want him at LT which means it was not Philbin's team at the end of the day.

 

[insomnia411]

oh? who says?

people have been flapping this around like it is some sort of gospel. and the ONLY place this has come from? THE PHILBIN HATERS!!!

the team has never said a thing about philbin on a short leash. neither have the players. philbin was handed [in his second year] one of the worst drafts in nfl history, leaving him with the same crappy, void off of talent squad he had in year one. not his fault!! not his fault martin couldnt handle an nfl locker room.

we were 8-8 last year with the worst o-line in the game, a qb who couldnt hit the big play to save his soul and held the ball to long and a nation wide scandal and he got us to 8-8.

thats a damn good coach in my book. but all this philbin is gone if this happens or if that doesnt happen is NONSENSE!! one hater says it and the rest follow like sheep. boss ross isnt letting philbin go any time to soon. not after what he was handed last year. it would take a major collapse this year and next for ross to put him on any hot seat.

Did you watch the final 2 games of the season by chance?
Piss poor failure and the coach needs to have a good deal of accountability for that.

 

[NorFlaFin]

If Philbin was on the hot seat Hockey would have gotten a 5 year deal

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[phintim]

In my humble opinion anybody with an ounce of common sense could see that Ireland was the decider on this team.

Knowing what we know now only a moron would want to put it all on the line with Jonathan Martin as the only option at LT (drugs, suicide, walking out on the team), we know Ireland is indeed a moron but are you suggesting both Ireland and Philbin are morons? I'm pretty sure that if Philbin had final say on personnel we would have been a playoff team, meaning our personnel guy, the guy that was supposed to be an attribute to the team, was actually a hindrance. Because I would bet anything that Philbin would have gotten us a competent left tackle for our developing QB. And I don't even know if Philbin is a good personnel guy or not, I wish we had a good personnel guy so that Philbin could just concentrate on coaching, but Ireland was like a 30lb weight hanging off his ankle.

If it was Irelands team as you indicate then the facts sure do not support your post. Fact Ross demoted ireland last year publicily supporting the fact that Philbin and Aponte were running the team. Fact 2 years ago Ireland supported McCoy for the job as head coach and Ross supported Philbin, Philbin was hired proving that Ross was running the team not Ireland. Fact 3 Philbins 1st and 2nd years we trade Marshall, Davis, let Bush walk, release Dansby and Burnett, chose to let Jake Long walk and Paul S. this year basically because these guys were not Philbin guys or fit his schemes. You put all those players on the team last year and we would not be having this conversation this year. Fact Parcells chose both Sporano and Ireland as his coach and GM meaning Ireland never had the opportunity to choose his own coach while the GM of the Dolphins between Parcells and Ross and thus underlining Ireland never had complete control of the team as many may want to indicate on this forum. I have been following the Dolphins drafts for 25 plus years and Irealnd has hit on everyone of his first round picks as GM and that has never been done in that time frame So if you want to believe all is sunny in south florida go ahead and hope but the facts do not support that hope.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

I like philbin for the record but the fact that you can't see hes on the hot seat I can't believe that. Shouldn't have to be said. Another year of no playoffs hes gone breaking news to you I guess

While maybe true. This is why Miami will struggle to win, ever.

Constantly changing systems and rebuilding is spinning
the wheels in the mud.

But with that said, I see Miami going 10-6.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Did you watch the final 2 games of the season by chance?
Piss poor failure and the coach needs to have a good deal of accountability for that.

Did you watch the final 2 games of the season by chance?
Piss poor protection against elite front 7's and the former GM have a good deal of accountability for that.