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Monday Sports Buzz- lots of Dolphins notes

It's interesting that we have gotten good reports on Jamar Taylor, Will Davis, and Dallas Thomas. Three guys we got zero out of last year.

Jamar Taylor was hurt last year, but he has talent and a good physique with potential to start eventually. Last year was a lost season unfortunately. I'd like to see him start getting snaps with an eye toward becoming an eventual starter.

Davis is a 98 pound weakling but has good lateral quickness and can play the ball. When Brady was assaulting us last year and Davis was out there, my knuckles were white and I was in total fear as Davis was exploited practically every down. He has to hold his own now as an extra d back.

Dallas Thomas supposedly is leaner and stronger. He couldn't work out much in 2013 due to injury. He has to be a guard. I can't see him as a tackle. Billy Turner has to make quite a leap in competition so Thomas may need to be a hedge especially early.

If the 2013 draft class can come through, it can be a huge boost to this season.
 
Some have already wrapped their lips firmly around Lazor's....ummm "blaster"....funny the defense has more energy and excitement as well...is Lazor some how having and effect on that side of the ball?

Could it be that some players are asserting themselves as leaders....positive leaders?
 
That plus a big dose of Delmas and Finnegan from what the D players are saying. Those two are energizer rabbits. Just hope they stay healthy and keep the silly penalties down.
 
Austin Tatious said:
It's interesting that we have gotten good reports on Jamar Taylor, Will Davis, and Dallas Thomas. Three guys we got zero out of last year.

Jamar Taylor was hurt last year, but he has talent and a good physique with potential to start eventually. Last year was a lost season unfortunately. I'd like to see him start getting snaps with an eye toward becoming an eventual starter.

Davis is a 98 pound weakling but has good lateral quickness and can play the ball. When Brady was assaulting us last year and Davis was out there, my knuckles were white and I was in total fear as Davis was exploited practically every down. He has to hold his own now as an extra d back.

Dallas Thomas supposedly is leaner and stronger. He couldn't work out much in 2013 due to injury. He has to be a guard. I can't see him as a tackle. Billy Turner has to make quite a leap in competition so Thomas may need to be a hedge especially early.

If the 2013 draft class can come through, it can be a huge boost to this season.
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The longest part of that Coyle interview was about Dion Jordan. Coyle said they almost put him on IR for the season and only decided to let him play a limited no. of snaps very late in preseason. He said they couldn't wait to get Jordan involved this season and we should plan on him being a primetime player in our defensive rotation with a lot more snaps. Said Vernon's emergence made it an easy decision for them to keep Dion's snaps limited last year, but this year they'll be shared around more.

Coyle (and some of the other players in separate interviews) were very complimentary about how Delmas is bringing energy to the team as a whole. That's the reason I had him in my "5 most important additions for the new season" thread. This team is crying out for a few larger-than-life characters who aren't total nut-jobs. Delmas is a great example of that and he says his body is the best it's been in 4 years (tho Jake Long used to say that after every injury comeback...).

The interview is worth listening to. Coyle reeling off the stats on our performance over the past two seasons (points conceded, redzone, QB rating against us etc etc) was impressive and eye-opening.
 
I won't buy this coachspeak until September rolls around.
 
Fin Thirteen said:
The longest part of that Coyle interview was about Dion Jordan. Coyle said they almost put him on IR for the season and only decided to let him play a limited no. of snaps very late in preseason. He said they couldn't wait to get Jordan involved this season and we should plan on him being a primetime player in our defensive rotation with a lot more snaps. Said Vernon's emergence made it an easy decision for them to keep Dion's snaps limited last year, but this year they'll be shared around more.

Coyle (and some of the other players in separate interviews) were very complimentary about how Delmas is bringing energy to the team as a whole. That's the reason I had him in my "5 most important additions for the new season" thread. This team is crying out for a few larger-than-life characters who aren't total nut-jobs. Delmas is a great example of that and he says his body is the best it's been in 4 years (tho Jake Long used to say that after every injury comeback...).

The interview is worth listening to. Coyle reeling off the stats on our performance over the past two seasons (points conceded, redzone, QB rating against us etc etc) was impressive and eye-opening.
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He thought about putting him on IR but played him on special teams. So I guess our coaching staff is just full of idiots then
 
dlockz said:
He thought about putting him on IR but played him on special teams. So I guess our coaching staff is just full of idiots then
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The easiest way to never make a wrong decision is to never make a decision. You wrote a post recently bemoaning how you got voted as a Debbie Downer - maybe it's because people living in the real world know that life is a series of judgement calls that have to be made and that can never be made with the benefit of perfect (or sometimes even good) information.

You're right to criticise the Dolphins organisation for getting far too many judgement calls wrong, but you're reaching a point where you can manage to find the Dolphins screw-up in every conceivable decision the organisation faced. Worse still- you're doing it with the benefit of hindsight when the guys making those day-to-day calls never had that luxury. Even then, you get your share of judgements on the team and its coaches/players absolutely wrong.

It turns out that you - like the people you are soooooooooo fast to criticise in the Dolphins - are a human being too. One of the defining characteristics of being human is possessing the feeling of empathy. If you look, I bet you'll find it somewhere.

Maybe start by listening to Coyle - off the top of his head - listing the things the Fins defence did well in the past 2 years and where that ranks them within the NFL.

Then consider that Jordan was acquired by the Fins for about 40% (in trade chart value terms) of what it cost Buffalo to get Watkins. And we traded up from 12 to 3, rather than Buffalo's trade-up from 8 to 3, so the value is probably more like 33% of what Buffalo paid. To get RG3, Washington paid 3 first rounders and a second rounder - what they paid was 91% higher than what we paid for Jordan. The same year, Cleveland traded the farm to move up one spot for Trent Richardson. Keep going back and looking at past first-round trade-ups and you won't find ANYTHING like the value we got to snag Jordan.

So, lighten up a bit and realise that coaches don't have the luxury of making no decision. On balance, which is how they should be judged, I consider Coyle's tenure to be a success to date and I think you should consider that possibility too.
 
dlockz said:
I rarely hear teams are looking horrible this time of year. I hope things are pointing up but this is not flag football.
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At this time also, usually the defense is always ahead of the offense.
 
Fin Thirteen said:
The easiest way to never make a wrong decision is to never make a decision. You wrote a post recently bemoaning how you got voted as a Debbie Downer - maybe it's because people living in the real world know that life is a series of judgement calls that have to be made and that can never be made with the benefit of perfect (or sometimes even good) information.

You're right to criticise the Dolphins organisation for getting far too many judgement calls wrong, but you're reaching a point where you can manage to find the Dolphins screw-up in every conceivable decision the organisation faced. Worse still- you're doing it with the benefit of hindsight when the guys making those day-to-day calls never had that luxury. Even then, you get your share of judgements on the team and its coaches/players absolutely wrong.

It turns out that you - like the people you are soooooooooo fast to criticise in the Dolphins - are a human being too. One of the defining characteristics of being human is possessing the feeling of empathy. If you look, I bet you'll find it somewhere.

Maybe start by listening to Coyle - off the top of his head - listing the things the Fins defence did well in the past 2 years and where that ranks them within the NFL.

Then consider that Jordan was acquired by the Fins for about 40% (in trade chart value terms) of what it cost Buffalo to get Watkins. And we traded up from 12 to 3, rather than Buffalo's trade-up from 8 to 3, so the value is probably more like 33% of what Buffalo paid. To get RG3, Washington paid 3 first rounders and a second rounder - what they paid was 91% higher than what we paid for Jordan. The same year, Cleveland traded the farm to move up one spot for Trent Richardson. Keep going back and looking at past first-round trade-ups and you won't find ANYTHING like the value we got to snag Jordan.

So, lighten up a bit and realise that coaches don't have the luxury of making no decision. On balance, which is how they should be judged, I consider Coyle's tenure to be a success to date and I think you should consider that possibility too.
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what hindsight , he was worried about putting him on IR then plays him on special teams. Why would you risk a player you took third overall on special teams. Big deal we got him for so called 40 percent value in a weak draft.
We got him because that's the most any team would offer so we got him for exactly what his value was in that draft. No player is worth more than the market can bare and his market was what we gave.
You cannot compare our trade for Jordan to those other trades because those drafts were deeper and there was more competition for those draft picks.

What reason in the world would a coach have to play a player on special teams he was worried about his health. Its a dumb azz decision no matter how one wants to view it.
 
dlockz said:
what hindsight , he was worried about putting him on IR then plays him on special teams. Why would you risk a player you took third overall on special teams. Big deal we got him for so called 40 percent value in a weak draft.
We got him because that's the most any team would offer so we got him for exactly what his value was in that draft. No player is worth more than the market can bare and his market was what we gave.
You cannot compare our trade for Jordan to those other trades because those drafts were deeper and there was more competition for those draft picks.

What reason in the world would a coach have to play a player on special teams he was worried about his health. Its a dumb azz decision no matter how one wants to view it.
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Downers gonna down....
 
Fin Thirteen said:
Downers gonna down....
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And an idiot for a coach is going to play the 3rd pick in draft on special teams even thugh he was so worried that he might have to put them on IR.
Almost as stupid as people calling someone a downer for criticizing a team that hasn't produced a winning season in half a decade
 
dlockz said:
And an idiot for a coach is going to play the 3rd pick in draft on special teams even thugh he was so worried that he might have to put them on IR.
Almost as stupid as people calling someone a downer for criticizing a team that hasn't produced a winning season in half a decade
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How does the team's performance put you beyond criticism? This is just another example of your lack of objectivity.

I sympathise with a number of your gripes, as it happens. But there are so many gripes at this stage, I guess that wouldn't be difficult.

I run a company and I personally appreciate how hard it can be to make the right decision when there are so many decision to make in a fluid market with imperfect information. So I have to trust my gut and try to get the majority right, or "right enough".

I don't have the luxury of making no decision or insisting on perfect information before i make it.

I empathise with the coaches to a degree. I'm not a massive Philbin fan nor would I have had the offseason that Hickey had, if I was GM. But I see the plan they are working through and I can imagine an improved performance at the end of it. Maybe not as improved as I want or as fast as I want, but improvement nonetheless, to the point that the postseason is a realistic part of our yearly calendar again.

If that faith ever dries up, it wont be because of the special teams snap count of Dion Jordan, I can tell you that much.
 
dlockz said:
We got him because that's the most any team would offer so we got him for exactly what his value was in that draft. No player is worth more than the market can bare and his market was what we gave.
You cannot compare our trade for Jordan to those other trades because those drafts were deeper and there was more competition for those draft picks.
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And by the way, this post is complete horse manure and you know it. In a deep draft, the cost of trading up should be LESS, not MORE as you claim. In 2012 when Washington went up to get RG3, they could have stayed put and taken Tannehill, Foles, Wilson, Cousins all of who have demonstrated comparable potential to RG3 to varying degrees. Even then, Washington paid a fortune. But, as I was at pains to say, this is more or less an annual event, where teams have to pay a huge cost to move up. Go and look it up, because I did before I posted.

We didn't pay a huge cost - we paid a historically tiny cost, which makes the gamble on Jordan an extremely good value one. That is not opinion, that is a fact. But you can't look at it objectively, because you have lost perspective in your (understandable) bitterness over our past performance history.
 
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