Moore may be closer to starting than you think

[normaldude]

I agree. My point is that if you don't have a franchise QB, the draft is how you find one. That requires good draft position. Sure you are likely to bust, but the odds of trading for one are slim, so you really have no choice but to take a chance.

I would rather give Tannehill the rest of the season to try and develop than put in a journeyman hoping he wins an extra meaningless game or two, especially if it means landing a better coach and a decent draft pick to get a QB. Besides, Tannehill may improve some anyway, he has only played three games in a new system.

Again, Miami has started 1-2. The season isn't over.

- You're already talking about "developing QBs" and looking at future drafts.

- I'm talking about maximizing Miami's chances of getting to the playoffs this season.

The wrong culture is long-term poison for a team. And I'd rather Miami have a culture of "Play to win" rather than "Oh well, we started 1-2, so it's time to give up on the season."

Teams that adopt kind of procrastinating defeatist mentality will constantly give up, year after year, whenever faced with minor adversity.

 

[volk]

You're already talking about the draft, which means you're already giving up on the season, simply because we started 1-2.

I'm talking about maximizing Miami's chances of getting to the playoffs this season. And once you're in the playoffs, anything can happen.

Is Moore our future starting QB? If he isn't and Tannehill isn't then you MUST consider the draft, no matter how early in the season it is. Discussing the need for a franchise QB in the draft is not the same as tanking. I don't think Moore gives more than a two win record improvement over Tannehill, which with the rest of the holes on this team brings us far short of the playoffs.

If both QB's fail to make the playoffs, why start a career backup and save a bunch of jobs that shouldn't be saved and get a worse pick. At least Tannehill still has potential.


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[enigmatics]

Is Moore our future starting QB? If he isn't and Tannehill isn't then you MUST consider the draft, no matter how early in the season it is. Discussing the need for a franchise QB in the draft is not the same as tanking. I don't think Moore gives more than a two win record improvement over Tannehill, which with the rest of the holes on this team brings us far short of the playoffs.

If both QB's fail to make the playoffs, why start a career backup and save a bunch of jobs that shouldn't be saved and get a worse pick. At least Tannehill still has potential.


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If they turned it around with Moore at the helm then they possibly deserve to keep their jobs.

 

[Lilseb93]

I'm not against it, but I would be shocked if that happened.

 

[volk]

Again, Miami has started 1-2. The season isn't over.

- You're already talking about "developing QBs" and looking at future drafts.

- I'm talking about maximizing Miami's chances of getting to the playoffs this season.

The wrong culture is long-term poison for a team. And I'd rather Miami have a culture of "Play to win" rather than "Oh well, we started 1-2, so it's time to give up on the season."

Teams that adopt kind of procrastinating defeatist mentality will constantly give up, year after year, whenever faced with minor adversity.

No, the difference is that you have unwarranted faith in Moore, I don't. The difference between Tannehill and Moore is that Moore has already shown all he has, Tannehill hasn't. Moore's best has been career backup, not playoff winning. Tannehill has three games in this new system. The difference between the two isn't enough to warrant the change.


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If they turned it around with Moore at the helm then they possibly deserve to keep their jobs.

If they thought that was possible Moore would be starting already


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[Ilovemyfins4eva]

No, the difference is that you have unwarranted faith in Moore, I don't. The difference between Tannehill and Moore is that Moore has already shown all he has, Tannehill hasn't. Moore's best has been career backup, not playoff winning. Tannehill has three games in this new system. The difference between the two isn't enough to warrant the change.


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when has moore ever been given a chance like tannehill has?

the longest consecutive stretch he played in his career as a starter was for miami in 2011, where his record as a starter was 6-6, and he made the offense fun to watch as a dolphin fan, the first time many fin fans can say that in a long time.

tannehill has started 34 straight games and is the same exact qb he was from day 1.

 

[BGtoKNfor6]

Matt Moore doesn't lose to the Buffalo Bills.

With those linebackers being whored out, I'm not so sure about that....The is a lot wrong with this team besides qb. The lack of quality defensive depth is inexcusable. We get no pressure up front, we get killed. Nobody is saying anything about the defense. They are playing piss poor as well. Watkins destroyed the defense...

 

[WVDolphan]

when has moore ever been given a chance like tannehill has?

the longest consecutive stretch he played in his career as a starter was for miami in 2011, where his record as a starter was 6-6, and he made the offense fun to watch as a dolphin fan, the first time many fin fans can say that in a long time.

tannehill has started 34 straight games and is the same exact qb he was from day 1.

I love how they all know Moore is nothing more than a backup for his career. Does he even have 34 starts?

But, they need to give Tannehill more time so we can "see what we have". Same BS we heard about Henne.

 

[enigmatics]

If they thought that was possible Moore would be starting already
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That is such horse crap. Tanny was the #8 pick. They're all in with him. He was a packaged deal with Sherman who was Philbin's boy. They were selling all offseason that Lazor would help him grow.

Quite frankly they're too chickensh*t to pull him, even for a game or two because it makes them look foolish for having drafted him so high and starting him too soon.

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I love how they all know Moore is nothing more than a backup for his career. Does he even have 34 starts?

But, they need to give Tannehill more time so we can "see what we have". Same BS we heard about Henne.

Ya, I can't stand that anymore.

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

]I love how they all know Moore is nothing more than a backup for his career. Does he even have 34 starts? [/B]

But, they need to give Tannehill more time so we can "see what we have". Same BS we heard about Henne.

exactly, its comical.

i mean, they may very well be right, but tannehill has been given a very fair chance and has stunk it up, at least moore shows heart when he plays.

he may not be the most talented player to put on a nfl uniform, but the guy goes out there and gives it his all and gets the most out of his teammates. i respect a man like that.

 

[volk]

when has moore ever been given a chance like tannehill has?

the longest consecutive stretch he played in his career as a starter was for miami in 2011, where his record as a starter was 6-6, and he made the offense fun to watch as a dolphin fan, the first time many fin fans can say that in a long time.

tannehill has started 34 straight games and is the same exact qb he was from day 1.

True. He hasn't been given the same chance. The list of QB's he failed to beat out:

Josh McCown
Jake Delhome
David Carr
Vinnie Testaverde
Chad Henne
Ryan Tannehill
And his only full season starting, he lost his job to Jimmy Clauson.

I'm sure he has the magic now, though.


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[Ilovemyfins4eva]

True. He hasn't been given the same chance. The list of QB's he failed to beat out:

Josh McCown
Jake Delhome
David Carr
Vinnie Testaverde
Chad Henne
Ryan Tannehill
And his only full season starting, he lost his job to Jimmy Clauson.

I'm sure he has the magic now, though.


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lol, failed to beat out.

was he given a chance vs any of those qbs to realistically win the qb position?

u mention chad henne as an example, everyone knew he was better than chad henne, and sure enough he proved just that in real games, yet i guess according to your logic he was not better because he did not beat him out?

if u think he was actually given a chance vs henne and tannehill, ur lost.

especially tannehill, the coaching staff put all there hopes into tannehill, no way they were letting moore win the job. As you can see now, moore coming off that 2011 season, at the very least should have been the starter to begin 2012, not tannehill, because tannehill clearly was not ready, and prob never will have what it takes to be a legit qb in the nfl.

 

[Blake the great]

I see the arguments for both sides for whether Moore should start. I think if Tannehill continues to struggle then it wont be long before Philbin's job is on the line and he gets desperate and plays Matt Moore. At that point Philbin will be trying to win as many games possible and not care about getting a top draft pick. This team is spiraling down hill quick and I see us winning only 5 or 6 games this season

 

[enigmatics]

True. He hasn't been given the same chance. The list of QB's he failed to beat out:

Josh McCown
Jake Delhome
David Carr
Vinnie Testaverde
Chad Henne
Ryan Tannehill
And his only full season starting, he lost his job to Jimmy Clauson.

I'm sure he has the magic now, though.

That post is full of it. He was never allowed to compete with Henne or practice with the 1's. He was signed in August in 2011 and Sparano was going down with the ship with Chad. It wasn't until his injury when Moore finally got his shot and of course showed why he should've started the season as our QB.

In 2012, the team all but tried to force Matt out the door when they brought Garrard on for that farce 3-way competition which ultimately led to the decision they were already prepared to make when Tanny was drafted at #8.

He was still a project when he was playing under those QB's at Carolina. When he was finally given a shot towards the end of 2009 he played wonderfully. They then drafted Jimmy Clausen, forced him to compete again. Named him the starter and within 7 games he suffered a concussion and torn labrum, followed by a Panthers team that quit and was injury riddled. Fox had his foot out the door. Then came another new regime and Cam Newton.

 

[EFWilson]

The Dolphins know what they have with both QB's. I would be interested in seeing what Moore does in this offense with these WR's.