Moore tells the Miami Herald he is auditioning for his next team

[NBP81]

My point is that everyone is talking about the 12th best rated QB in the freakin' NFL as if he was a proven R LEAF or something. I/m/o, the odds on MOORE taking MIAMI to the SB are A LOT BETTER than the odds on a "college boy" w/19 starts in college and 1 pre-season game giving MIAMI much of anything anytime soon. All I know is that if a T DILFER can be a winning SB QB, so can MOORE. And don't be too obsessed w/"odds". T DILFER has a SB Championship Ring. MARINO doesn't.

Unfortunately they are not and this is where we disagree, but even then, the odds of this team(with whoever on roster starting at QB) going to the playoffs are very slim anyway....

 

[CANDolphan]

Anyone who can sit there and continue to spout bull**** about David Garrard not wanting to get on the field not only lacks basic human psychology knowledge but clearly didn't watch Hard Knocks Episode 2

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Let's be objective here for argument's sake.

Whoa wrong forum bud

 

[enigmatics]

Whoa wrong forum bud

LOL .....

Seriously though, sometimes I get the impression the hatred for Moore on here mostly stems from the fact that we didn't get Luck. It's hard to see where all the "despair" comes from when they talk about him. He did a fine job in such a tough situation ..... and he did it after the debacle in Carolina. A lot of QB's get ruined after an experience like that. Instead he went on to have his finest/longest season as a pro.

 

[NBP81]

Anyone who can sit there and continue to spout bull**** about David Garrard not wanting to get on the field not only lacks basic human psychology knowledge but clearly didn't watch Hard Knocks Episode 2
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Whoa wrong forum bud

So you used your basic human psychology on 1 episode of an edited program to call others opinion bull****...? talk about objectivity...

 

[finfan54]

There will be teams that need him this year.

how do you know we wont? tannehill wont get hurt huh?

I dont think Moore is going anywhere this year after Garrard and his knee.

 

[Geforce]

So what? Your point is what?

He missed the rest of preseason, didn't he? And he was the "back-up QB" until HENNE went down, wasn't he. And so, he got "back-up QB's reps" until HENNE was hurt, true?

So, again, what's your point? Do you think that a few weeks is long enough for a QB to build up "chemistry" and timing w/his WRs?

Rest of the preseason? Moore was there for the first day of training camp and played in the only four preseason games to be played.

Yes I do think a few weeks is long enough for a QB to build chemistry and timing with his WRs. Chad Pennington did it in 2008 so why couldn't Matt Moore?

 

[enigmatics]

Rest of the preseason? Moore was there for the first day of training camp and played in the only four preseason games to be played.

Yes I do think a few weeks is long enough for a QB to build chemistry and timing with his WRs. Chad Pennington did it in 2008 so why couldn't Matt Moore?

Pennington had 20 times more experience, had played under Henning before, and was far more accomplished. You're not even comparing apples-to-apples as far as their career "junctures" when they each arrived.

LOL @ the idea it takes only a few weeks to build chemistry/timing. That is patently absurd.

 

[Rev Kev]

LOL .....

Seriously though, sometimes I get the impression the hatred for Moore on here mostly stems from the fact that we didn't get Luck. It's hard to see where all the "despair" comes from when they talk about him. He did a fine job in such a tough situation ..... and he did it after the debacle in Carolina. A lot of QB's get ruined after an experience like that. Instead he went on to have his finest/longest season as a pro.

Not hatred - some of yuo can't see a guy who is playin with house money - when we needed it badly he was piss poor - he had the confidence of the D and ST and still shat the bed

 

[Geforce]

Let's be objective here for argument's sake.

Chad Henne had Daboll's playbook as early as JANUARY and began teaching the players it in private player workouts during the lockout. Moore on the other hand signed right after the lockout ended in JULY and THEN got a chance to learn the playbook. It wasn't as if he was on equal to footing with Henne. There were no private workouts or mini-camps for Moore to learn it. Sparano also never gave Moore a legitimate look or work with the starters the entire preseason or shortened training camp. It was very well known ride-or-die mode with Henne. Moore finally gets into a game when Henne goes down with injury vs. the Chargers. He was working off of absolutely no chemistry/timing or experience with our starters .... you know the guys who actually play the game.

You are right that Moore didn't have any private workouts or mini-camp to learn the playbook but how long did he need to learn it? Moore himself said he's not a good practice player. So ask yourself this question. If Moore doesn't know the playbook as well as Henne and is not a good practice player, how was Moore going to earn his chance with the starters? Keep in mind that teams only had 15 days to install the new offense before the first preseason game.

I see all this talk about Tannehill needing "time" and getting "adjusted" ...... why does that not work in Matt's favor in the situation I presented above? Why would he not need a few games to get adjusted? Most everyone on here then dismisses him because of something completely logical like "adjusting", but don't want to give him any credit for what transpired once he got settled in. It was either all the defense or all the running game. The guy wasn't Chad Pennington, an accomplished veteran with experience under the coordinator. Matt was still developing as a player.

Because Matt Moore was a five year veteran with acutal NFL experience as a starter. There is no getting used to the speed of the NFL for Moore. While getting the timing down with the receivers take time for some QBs, it appears Matt Moore never really got his timing down with Bess and Hartline as they set career lows in receptions and yards.

Moore had more time to learn Daboll offense when he became the starter than Chad Pennington did when he arrived in August of 2008, after the beginning of training camp. By the way, when did Pennington and Henning work together?

I guess his teammates must have been a bunch of blind dumbasses for electing him to team MVP. He obviously did something right and performed highly enough to warrant that. I'm not saying the dude was solely responsible for us going 9-3 down the stretch, but c'mon he was an important cog. Here's where I'll get the standard reponse "oh the games didn't mean anything" or "the competition sucked" surely to be uttered by people who think Tannehill is already leading us to Super Bowls after what little we've seen. Fact of the matter is that last year we had a guy who could actually hit the bomb and stretch the field for once. We averaged 25pts a game in the final nine. There were three 30+ pts games in that span. Moore had three 3TD games and 3 games over 110QBR. We didn't play down to crap competition like we did in the past, we actually beat up on them this time. The synergy of the defense getting stops and offense getting TD's (or the reverse order) was also something I hadn't seen in a while.

This is not about how Moore finished the season, it's about those three games people keep forgetting about or making excuses for when talking about the season Matt Moore had.

Yes Matt Moore finished the season with a 87.1 QBR but he also had a 68.8 QBR in the 4th quarter.

Vs. the better competition is where the question marks remained and that happened on both sides of the ball. As big a fan of Moore as I am, he's yet to show he can shoulder the team vs the upper echelon. In terms of his resume, he hasn't had enough of those games to actually get the experience for that. He looked like he was about to do it vs. NE, but had a lackluster 2nd half. He also has that achilles heel with his ball protection (i.e. fumbling). He likes to attack vertically and that's what Daboll had him do last year ...... problem is the turnstile that was our O-line. So you've got this matador pass-pro and Matt's eyes were downfield too much instead of feeling out the pocket correctly. It was my hope that with the WCO coming in, Sherman/Philbin/Taylor would work on that with him.

Daboll had both Henne attack vertically. Henne had 12 pass plays of 25+ yards in just under 13 quarters before his injury and Matt Moore had 26 pass plays of 25+ yards in just over 51 quarters of play.
It is those deficiencies you mention that had Jeff Ireland talk to Matt Moore about getting better at and improving the QB position for the Dolphins.

 

[Geforce]

Pennington had 20 times more experience, had played under Henning before, and was far more accomplished. You're not even comparing apples-to-apples as far as their career "junctures" when they each arrived.

LOL @ the idea it takes only a few weeks to build chemistry/timing. That is patently absurd.

Upon further research, Pennington and Henning worked together for one season in 2000 when Chad was a rookie and played in one regular season game.

Pennington having more experience or being more accomplished when he came to Miami is not even the issue.

It didn't take Pennington long to get chemistry/timing with the receivers in Miami and it didn't take Favre long to do the same in Minnesota. It doesn't take good QBs to gain chemistry/timing with his receivers. It is only the ones that have accuracy issues that have a problem with chemistry/timing.

 

[enigmatics]

Not hatred - some of yuo can't see a guy who is playin with house money - when we needed it badly he was piss poor - he had the confidence of the D and ST and still shat the bed

Not true at all .... there were games when Moore and the offense spotted the defense leads and visa versa. Each contributed. Hence my comments about crushing lesser competition, which we never used to do. In the past we always played down to them, getting by on FG's. Against tougher competition (i.e. NE, Dallas, Philly) they both the offense and the defense played 1 half of a ball game. In NE, the offense spotted the defense a 17-0 first half lead .... neither side closing the game out in the second half. In Dallas, the defense definitely spotted the offense multiple turnovers, but the offense only came away with FG's. In the second half, both struggled and we had a lead late in the 4th until the defense had 3-4 opportunities to sack Romo on late downs and came away with squat. Philly, we were dominated thoroughly on both sides.

 

[Vaark]

Still too much residual misplace resentment of Moore coming in and showing that the little bit good that Henne flashed was mostly smoke and mirrors compared to a real QB with leadership and inspirational abilities.

 

[enigmatics]

You are right that Moore didn't have any private workouts or mini-camp to learn the playbook but how long did he need to learn it? Moore himself said he's not a good practice player. So ask yourself this question. If Moore doesn't know the playbook as well as Henne and is not a good practice player, how was Moore going to earn his chance with the starters? Keep in mind that teams only had 15 days to install the new offense before the first preseason game.

Bro, you're talking about Henne's knowing the playbook from Jan thru July and practicing it with his teammates. That is almost 8 months. Moore comes in in early August and has 4 weeks. He's not the world's greatest practice player on earth, but you're talking like he craps the bed all over the field, which simply isn't true. Given that at at times he does have slip ups in practice and he only had 4 weeks at which to get to know his teammates and his playbook c'mon .... you really expected him to get an equal opportunity to unseat Henne who Sparano had hitched his last remaining breath to? Every Dolphin fan on the planet saw what a weak job Ireland/Sparano initially did to bring in a reputable veteran to unseat Chad.

Because Matt Moore was a five year veteran with acutal NFL experience as a starter. There is no getting used to the speed of the NFL for Moore. While getting the timing down with the receivers take time for some QBs, it appears Matt Moore never really got his timing down with Bess and Hartline as they set career lows in receptions and yards.

Matt Moore DID NOT have 5 years worth of starts .... fuzzy math with you guys when you bring that stuff up. He had a whopping 14 games of starting NFL experience (I think even less than that, because Clausen might've started a few). That is LESS than a full NFL season. Let's not forget that fact that he was playing under his third offensive coordinator and system. You act like it's the norm that a young players should waltz into any NFL training camp and pick everything up in a dime. Everyone with eyes knows that doesn't happen. It takes time to learn the nuances, plays, build chemistry and timing.

Moore had more time to learn Daboll offense when he became the starter than Chad Pennington did when he arrived in August of 2008, after the beginning of training camp. By the way, when did Pennington and Henning work together?

Not comparing apples-to-apples. Pennington had 8 years and 89 games. Give me a break. Pennington was the quintessential veteran. Moore AGAIN 14 starts.

This is not about how Moore finished the season, it's about those three games people keep forgetting about or making excuses for when talking about the season Matt Moore had.

That's a laugher .... you want to marginalize the 6-3 down the stretch because it took him time to get acquainted. I guess all teams/players should start out hot otherwise their seasons mean nothing. Oh wait, go talk to the New York Giants, they won the Super Bowl after amassing a 7-7 start and threatening to miss the playoffs.

Yes Matt Moore finished the season with a 87.1 QBR but he also had a 68.8 QBR in the 4th quarter.

Your wunderkind Penning had a 76.6 fourth quarter QBR rating in 2009. You still gonna brag about what he accomplished too?

Daboll had both Henne attack vertically. Henne had 12 pass plays of 25+ yards in just under 13 quarters before his injury and Matt Moore had 26 pass plays of 25+ yards in just over 51 quarters of play.
It is those deficiencies you mention that had Jeff Ireland talk to Matt Moore about getting better at and improving the QB position for the Dolphins.

You clearly don't know your stats well ...... the long ball stat is always derived from passes 20+ ..... but I don't think there's a person on the planet who considers a 20 yard game the "deep ball"

Henne (2011)
11-20 yards 16-for-31, 1 TD, 3 INT's
21-30 yards 4-for-14, 0 TD, 1 INT
31-40 yards 1-for-2, 0 TD, 0 INT's

Also his (2010)
11-20 yards 60-for-103, 2 TD's, 6 INT's
21-30 yards 6-for-24, 1 TD, 1 INT
31-30 yards 2-for-13, 0 TD, 2 INT's
41+ yards 1-for-3, 0 TD, 0 INT's

Moore
11-20 yards 44-for-83, 4 TD's, 2 INT's
21-30 yards 11-for-33, 4 TD's, 5 INT's
31-40 yards 7-for-14, 1 TD, 0 INT's
41+ yards 1-for-2, 1 TD, 1 INT

Regardless, I never said hand Moore the job so don't bring that argument up. My argument has been that he has a canvas from which to work, he's young, he still got time to develop. Regardless all the hating done on him for his job last year is unwarranted and I've already stated my case why.

 

[enigmatics]

Still too much residual misplace resentment of Moore coming in and showing that the little bit good that Henne flashed was mostly smoke and mirrors compared to a real QB with leadership and inspirational abilities.

It's more than that man. It's the whole Luck thing. Most of these guys hate the fact that we could've sucked for Luck. Instead Matt comes along and plays well, we win some ball games and miss out on their beloved Andrew. There were definitely staunch Henne backers though who will never give up the idea he amounted to anything.

 

[enigmatics]

Upon further research, Pennington and Henning worked together for one season in 2000 when Chad was a rookie and played in one regular season game.

Pennington having more experience or being more accomplished when he came to Miami is not even the issue.

It didn't take Pennington long to get chemistry/timing with the receivers in Miami and it didn't take Favre long to do the same in Minnesota. It doesn't take good QBs to gain chemistry/timing with his receivers. It is only the ones that have accuracy issues that have a problem with chemistry/timing.

Are you really going to sit there straight-faced trying to tell me Matt Moore should do the same things Brett Favre and Chad Pennington did? All 14 previous starts of him?

Not logical or reasonable.