More reasons why I honestly don't uderstand the "experts"

[Al13]

when they showed the lineups yesterday and oakland LB corps was introduced i was like.....what ???

 

[Disnardo]

Got to Make the Facts Clear, and Not as You See It!

however you want to spin it is fine but they led their teams to victory in 9 of 12 meetings so that's pretty good.

Actually the fact is they both have won a combine 8-5 (61%) as a starter, NO SPIN. Seems like you left out 2 other Fins wins...

Brady has 6-3 record (66%): 130 comp, 231 att (56%), 1,348 yds (5.84 YPA), 11 TDs, 8 INTs, and a QBR of 74.7% against MIA...

Chad has 2-2 record (50%), and fared better than Brady in performance: 53 comp, 98 att (54% ), 720 yds (7.35 YPA), 4 TDs, 1 INT, and a QBR of 87% against MIA...

 

[Minnphin]

Schleprock, I think you're a big baby...you ask for replies to the thread, you get several intelligent ones that you can't respond to, so you start making smart *** replies. The fact of the matter is that Booker and Boston haven't produced for 2 strait years and Chambers has barely been better than Porter. I'd love to see Chambers blow up...he's my favorite player, but he's been no better than Porter, and our other two receivers haven't done jack since 02.

 

[NJFinFury2004]

Schleprock, I think you're a big baby...you ask for replies to the thread, you get several intelligent ones that you can't respond to, so you start making smart *** replies. The fact of the matter is that Booker and Boston haven't produced for 2 strait years and Chambers has barely been better than Porter. I'd love to see Chambers blow up...he's my favorite player, but he's been no better than Porter, and our other two receivers haven't done jack since 02.

I have to agree with your assesment of the WR'S. Oakland had a better group of WR'S before they got Moss, now there is no sense in comparing them. Although as you said, Chambers is a good player and has the ability to reach the Horn league of WR'S, he has yet to do so. I would still take Chambers over Coles.

 

[NJFinFury2004]

Actually the fact is they both have won a combine 8-5 (61%) as a starter, NO SPIN. Seems like you left out 2 other Fins wins...

Brady has 6-3 record (66%): 130 comp, 231 att (56%), 1,348 yds (5.84 YPA), 11 TDs, 8 INTs, and a QBR of 74.7% against MIA...

Chad has 2-2 record (50%), and fared better than Brady in performance: 53 comp, 98 att (54% ), 720 yds (7.35 YPA), 4 TDs, 1 INT, and a QBR of 87% against MIA...

Dude, I thought he was wrong. Wasn't there even a game where Chad comes in for Vinny and they lose that one too? Making him 2-3? Maybe IM wrong, but I was pretty sure I remember something like that.

And if you noticed, he didn't respond when I brought up the fact that Miami is 3-1 vs the JETS when Mr Williams is in the backfield.

 

[nyjunc]

WTF, you talking about? You're logic is almost Orwellian. You can't use Coles' first year because CC didn't play. If you want a true comparison, just stack them for each year they played in the same leauge. How the F, is he a more productive player, with 9 less TDs, and only a couple hundred yards more a year?

TDs are great but Coles much higher numner of receptions and much higher number of yards put the Jets and skins in better position to score so setting up a TD is just as important to me and he has done that alot more than Chambers. Chambers isn't even in the discussion w/ coles, he is in the discussion w/ Santana not Coles.

Actually the fact is they both have won a combine 8-5 (61%) as a starter, NO SPIN. Seems like you left out 2 other Fins wins...

Brady has 6-3 record (66%): 130 comp, 231 att (56%), 1,348 yds (5.84 YPA), 11 TDs, 8 INTs, and a QBR of 74.7% against MIA...

Chad has 2-2 record (50%), and fared better than Brady in performance: 53 comp, 98 att (54% ), 720 yds (7.35 YPA), 4 TDs, 1 INT, and a QBR of 87% against MIA...

Brady was 1-1 against mia in '01 & '02 and has gone 2-0 each of the last 2 seasons so that makes him 6-2.

Chad was 1-0 against Miami in 2002, 0-1 in 2003 and 2-0 in 2004- that makes him 3-1. he did not play in the 1st Miami game in '02 or '03.

And if you noticed, he didn't respond when I brought up the fact that Miami is 3-1 vs the JETS when Mr Williams is in the backfield.

I hadn't responded to anything as I wasn't on my computer last night :D That is true you are 3-1 w/ ricky so there is nothing to dispute.

 

[FinSolari]

TDs are great but Coles much higher numner of receptions and much higher number of yards put the Jets and skins in better position to score so setting up a TD is just as important to me and he has done that alot more than Chambers. Chambers isn't even in the discussion w/ coles, he is in the discussion w/ Santana not Coles.



Brady was 1-1 against mia in '01 & '02 and has gone 2-0 each of the last 2 seasons so that makes him 6-2.

Chad was 1-0 against Miami in 2002, 0-1 in 2003 and 2-0 in 2004- that makes him 3-1. he did not play in the 1st Miami game in '02 or '03.



I hadn't responded to anything as I wasn't on my computer last night :D That is true you are 3-1 w/ ricky so there is nothing to dispute.

Your forgot that monday nighter game so that makes Brady 6-3

 

[nyjunc]

Your forgot that monday nighter game so that makes Brady 6-3

I apologize I did forget about the W last year so he is 6-3 against you but I am correct on Chad.

 

[OSKIE]

Watching the Oak/NE game last night in its entirety made me wonder even more just how biased, ignorant, clueless, or homer-esque these so called "experts" are on all the NFL columns and TV programs. I won't even go into the fact that at one point when they showed Kraft in his private box you could see Berman, S. Young, et al from ESPN sitting RIGHT BEHIND HIM!!! Bias much???

Anyhow, "experts" have been saying all offseason how wonderful Oakland has done with building up their offense, adding talent, etc. They have touched on the defense being questionable, but only very lightly and tend to focus more on Moss and Jordan, etc. After watching last night I have to say: How the hell is Oakland any better than us???? How can Sean Dingleburry NOT say the same asinine comment about winning 4 games in relation to them?? Seriously, I have evaluated this from a non-homer perspective before typing this post in order to be fair. This team isn't better than us on the field...or even on paper!! Yet they get all this love. We know why though, because of Randy Moss and the Raider name, but anyway, here's my reasoning.

QB: Collins and Frerotte are even. Both are vets, who CAN throw, read D's, manage a game...BUT, they seem to be either on their game, or really off and aren't consistent. Collins is not better than Gus, and vice versa. PUSH

* No way... advantage Collins in this one!!! Gus wouldn't be a starter on 30 other NFL teams. He would have a chance to start in Chicago but Orton likely would beat him out. Balt could use him. That's about it!*
RB: Jordan is a nice back, however, Ricky and Ronnie I think is easily the better choice. MIAMI

* Tough call. Ricky hasn't played in a year but is proven. Ronnie Brown while talented is unproven. Jordan is somewhat proven, but still needs to show he's able to produce as the man. If depth is the question it goes Miami. However, I think Jordan has the advantage until proven other wise.
FB: Who cares, neither hardly use one. PUSH
I'll drink that cool-aid.
WR: Moss, Porter, Curry, Whitted compared to Chambers, Booker, DBo, Welker. Moss is great but not enough to cover the rest. Curry = 1yr wonder so far and Porter is always underachieving!! As a group across the board; MIAMI

That is perhaps the most homerist conclusion you could ever come to. Miami has the advantage over Oakland in WR's??? COME ON!!! You're clueless... worse than clueless, you're a nimrod!
TE: Not even close; MIAMI
You got one right... but I'm willing to bet Oakland's TE's will have better TD #'s. Mainly b/c they have a better QB and better OL!

OL: After watching Oakland last night, their O-line plays just like ours. A couple good plays then a bunch of garbage, then back to a couple good. Gallery looked unimpressive, L.Walker was horrendous, Grove was OK, Sims was solid. They could run the ball, but their pass blocking was pooh. IMO the teams are a PUSH

Wrong!!! The Pats had what 2 sacks and 4 hurries. Hardly anything considering the Pats are year in and year out great defensively! This is more a reflection of how poor the Phins line is than the Faids line being good. Advantage Oakland for sure!!!

DL: Kelly, Sapp (way past hsi prime, it wasn't the move to DE last year!!), Washington (old but solid), Hamilton, Burgess, etc. None of these guys could get any pressure, played good run D though. However; Taylor, Carter, Traylor, Holliday, Zgonina, Bowens, Roth are much more talented, experienced and deeper. MIAMI
You better go Miami all the way through the Defense!!! The only area the Faids come close to matching up is the DL. Sapp and Washington are a lot better than Traylor and Holliday.... A LOT BETTER! But your DE's are so much better than the Faids that you still get the advantage!
LB: Not even close, the Raiders have no one even as good as Crowder for Chrissakes MIAMI * True!*
CB: Woodson and Madison are even. Nnamdi is a nickel corner AT BEST so I would give the edge to Howard/Daniels. Routt was a "Jerry Wilson" at nickel so I give us the edge again for the Howard/Daniels at that spot. Where was Fabian Washington besides me seeing him sitting on the bench?? MIAMI *True...and Washington has been less than impressive!*
S: Schweigert looked inexperienced and confused, Derrick Gibson looked like perhaps the worst player on the field. Missing tackles and can't cover. Our safety position is still learning, but I feel confident Schulters/Jones/Bell have more potential than the Raiders group!! MIAMI *Gibson has been horrible since being drafted. Schweigert is better than most give him credit for... still the advantage goes to Miami.*
K: Both are good and tend to miss the gimme once in awhile PUSH
P: Lechler by a longshot RAIDERS *I would have laughed my *** off if you said Miami in this one. Lechler could go down as the best ever!!!*

COACHING STAFF: I cannot even name the Def and Off. coordinators and I know I saw them visually last night. Add to that Norv Turner has always been an underachieving head coach and the fact everyone aside from Dolphin people even admits our NEW coaching staff is top notch, this is simple MIAMI

PUSH!!! Norv Turner is proven. Nick Saban is still learning. It works downhill from there. This could very easily turn to Saban's favor, but he'll have to show the world something first!

Miami = 8
Raiders = 1
Evens = 4

So, am I a crackhead or on par?

I wouldn't say you're a crackhead...maybe a crackerjack... seriously though. The Phins have a lot of proving to do. LIke every other team in the NFL they have talent and potential. When they put the rubber to the road and prove it on Sunday's... well that's when they'll get the credit.

As for ESPN being biased...... DUH!!! Flavor of the Week is their motto. If you remember back when Dante Hall was getting his name mentioned as the NFL MVP, ESPN would show all kinds of highlights on him. Even plays where penalties were obviously the route cause of his long runs. They would never mention the blocks in the back or clips... only the good. It was the same way for Denver in 97 and 98... they could do no wrong! Like the saying goes, it's good to be king!

 

[cltchperf]

See some people are mistaking what WRs now are better, but I think Miami has more overall talent at WR than Oakland. I'm talking about the three WRs. Chambers and Boston have much more upside than Porter or Curry. Of course Moss has the most upside of all receivers, but We know what Boston is capable of when healthy, and Chambers has the talent to be right up there with the top receivers, just throw the damn ball to him. Booker a former probowl talent, has pretty nice numbers for a no.1, but he would have great upside as no.3, possibly being one of the best no.3s in the league. Porter and Curry are good receivers, but they have a lower ceiling than Chambers or Boston. three probowl talentes to one unbeleivably great receiver and two good receivers....I would go with Miami, becuase there is only one Moss, if Chad or Andre Johnson played opposite of Moss, then it definitly be Oakland, plus add Wes Welker or Bryan Gilmore, I think Miami's unit OVERALL has more talent than Oakland's.

 

[Schleprock]

So, anyone wanna change their mind? My thoughts were Gus is at least an EQUALLY capable quarterback as Collins....and that our WR corps AS A WHOLE edges out their WR corp as a whole.

 

[nyjunc]

So, anyone wanna change their mind? My thoughts were Gus is at least an EQUALLY capable quarterback as Collins....and that our WR corps AS A WHOLE edges out their WR corp as a whole.

Gus' entire body of work isn't close toCollins and Collins faces one of the best D's in Week 1 while Gus faces a medicore D at best and you want to call Gus better now? it's a little early to change minds, a month from now we'll see if a change needs to be made.