More reasons why I honestly don't uderstand the "experts"

[nyjunc]

You can thank NYjunc

you are welcome, this is what MB's are all about. people w/ differing opinions stating their case and trying to back it up w/ no one getting personal or out of line.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

you are welcome, this is what MB's are all about. people w/ differing opinions stating their case and trying to back it up w/ no one getting personal or out of line.

that is something I agree with :)

 

[Disnardo]

By the way. In 1998 The Atlanta Falcons ran the ball 516 times(including 410 by jamal Anderson) and threw the ball 424 times and they had not 1 but TWO 1,000 yard recievers while in '03 Miami ran it 487 times and threw it 450 times. The excuses for Chambers need to stop.

That was because 78% of their completions (237) were spilt between both WRs.

 

[ChuckKLINGBEIL]

I think the Dolphins have a better:
DLINE
Linebackers
Tight End

Raiders have better :
QUARTERBACK (Sorry Collins throws a way better deep ball)
Recievers (Moss is way better than Chambers)
OLINE (sorry we are still alot worse than the raiders upfront)

THE "PUSH" comes with:
Running backs
Secondary

I would say we are even
We both arent that good

 

[djfresh47]

Watching the Oak/NE game last night in its entirety made me wonder even more just how biased, ignorant, clueless, or homer-esque these so called "experts" are on all the NFL columns and TV programs. I won't even go into the fact that at one point when they showed Kraft in his private box you could see Berman, S. Young, et al from ESPN sitting RIGHT BEHIND HIM!!! Bias much???

Anyhow, "experts" have been saying all offseason how wonderful Oakland has done with building up their offense, adding talent, etc. They have touched on the defense being questionable, but only very lightly and tend to focus more on Moss and Jordan, etc. After watching last night I have to say: How the hell is Oakland any better than us???? How can Sean Dingleburry NOT say the same asinine comment about winning 4 games in relation to them?? Seriously, I have evaluated this from a non-homer perspective before typing this post in order to be fair. This team isn't better than us on the field...or even on paper!! Yet they get all this love. We know why though, because of Randy Moss and the Raider name, but anyway, here's my reasoning.

QB: Collins and Frerotte are even. Both are vets, who CAN throw, read D's, manage a game...BUT, they seem to be either on their game, or really off and aren't consistent. Collins is not better than Gus, and vice versa. PUSH
RB: Jordan is a nice back, however, Ricky and Ronnie I think is easily the better choice. MIAMI
FB: Who cares, neither hardly use one. PUSH
WR: Moss, Porter, Curry, Whitted compared to Chambers, Booker, DBo, Welker. Moss is great but not enough to cover the rest. Curry = 1yr wonder so far and Porter is always underachieving!! As a group across the board; MIAMI
TE: Not even close; MIAMI
OL: After watching Oakland last night, their O-line plays just like ours. A couple good plays then a bunch of garbage, then back to a couple good. Gallery looked unimpressive, L.Walker was horrendous, Grove was OK, Sims was solid. They could run the ball, but their pass blocking was pooh. IMO the teams are a PUSH
DL: Kelly, Sapp (way past hsi prime, it wasn't the move to DE last year!!), Washington (old but solid), Hamilton, Burgess, etc. None of these guys could get any pressure, played good run D though. However; Taylor, Carter, Traylor, Holliday, Zgonina, Bowens, Roth are much more talented, experienced and deeper. MIAMI
LB: Not even close, the Raiders have no one even as good as Crowder for Chrissakes MIAMI
CB: Woodson and Madison are even. Nnamdi is a nickel corner AT BEST so I would give the edge to Howard/Daniels. Routt was a "Jerry Wilson" at nickel so I give us the edge again for the Howard/Daniels at that spot. Where was Fabian Washington besides me seeing him sitting on the bench?? MIAMI
S: Schweigert looked inexperienced and confused, Derrick Gibson looked like perhaps the worst player on the field. Missing tackles and can't cover. Our safety position is still learning, but I feel confident Schulters/Jones/Bell have more potential than the Raiders group!! MIAMI
K: Both are good and tend to miss the gimme once in awhile PUSH
P: Lechler by a longshot RAIDERS
COACHING STAFF: I cannot even name the Def and Off. coordinators and I know I saw them visually last night. Add to that Norv Turner has always been an underachieving head coach and the fact everyone aside from Dolphin people even admits our NEW coaching staff is top notch, this is simple MIAMI

Miami = 8
Raiders = 1
Evens = 4

So, am I a crackhead or on par?

Oaklands wideouts are better than the Phins, I would rather have Collins than Gus, I would rather have Oaklands offensive line. Phins have a better Rb, kicker is a push, coaching staff I would give to the Phins, because of Linehan and Houck. The secondary is close, I would give it to the Phins though. Lechler is the best punter in the league, who are Oaklands LB's anyways, so I would give that to the Phins also.

Saying Miami has better wideouts than Oakland is crazy, Chris Chambers is not a better player than Jerry Porter, Ronald Curry is good, Doug Gabriel is good, and Randy Moss is great, so I think Oakland has a better group, and has players that fit the type of offense that Turner wants to run. As a group the Phins may have better players, but I think Oakland has players that will play better in there system. Also the Afc West is a good division, and any of the teams can win it, but I think Buffalo is a better team than any of the 4 in that division, as are the Jets, the West has a bunch of good teams, while the Afc East has atleast 2 elite teams in the Afc in the Jets and Pats, and a team that I believe would win the west in the Bills, so just by division schedule, the East is much tougher.

 

[FinSolari]

The fact you provide absolutely no basis for your smart mouth opinion shows that you are one to be ignored here.



And no, Collins has not started everywhere. Collins has ONLY started on teams that had NO quarterback. Panthers had no one because Beuerlein was retiring, so they drafted him and threw him in. He then went to NO and rode the bench, then was released. He was signed by NY when they had no one and was given the job. They realized they wanted a real franchise QB and took Manning, so they dumped him. he then went to Oakland where Gannon was still in at the time. Gannon got injured and retired, so Collins got the job.

P.S. Pats never make our defense look bad :D Brady hates playing us.

A little off topic but the two best qb's in the afc hate playing against the dolphins.

 

[nyjunc]

A little off topic but the two best qb's in the afc hate playing against the dolphins.

That may be true but they beat Miami alot. Chad is 3-1 against Miami and Brady is 6-2 against Miami.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

That may be true but they beat Miami alot. Chad is 3-1 against Miami and Brady is 6-2 against Miami.

no, the Jets when Chad is starting is 3-1 against Miami and the Patriots with Brady at quarterback is 6-2 against Miami

This isn't baseball. This whole record thing with quarterbacks needs to stop

 

[nyjunc]

no, the Jets when Chad is starting is 3-1 against Miami and the Patriots with Brady at quarterback is 6-2 against Miami

This isn't baseball. This whole record thing with quarterbacks needs to stop

however you want to spin it is fine but they led their teams to victory in 9 of 12 meetings so that's pretty good.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

however you want to spin it is fine but they led their teams to victory in 9 of 12 meetings so that's pretty good.

It is not a spin, the other one is a spin. The fact is quarterbacks are part of a team. A team wins, a quarterback is just part of it

 

[nyjunc]

It is not a spin, the other one is a spin. The fact is quarterbacks are part of a team. A team wins, a quarterback is just part of it

Quarterbacks are judged by Wins and Losses, this is why daunte Culpepper is not truly a great QB b/c he doesn't show up in big spots and it is why tom Brady is the best QB in the game b/c he makes plays in bog spots and wins.

 

[FinSolari]

That may be true but they beat Miami alot. Chad is 3-1 against Miami and Brady is 6-2 against Miami.

I was actually referring to Manning and Brady. Though Brady has beaten the Dolphins many times, it was never easy for him against JT, Surtain, and the rest of the crew.

 

[TorontoFin]

Holt belongs in the top tier and to put Chambers ahead of Coles is as laughable as it gets.

ignoring the fact that Coles has better #s overall let's look a little closer at their #s in Decemebr and january reg season games(in Chambers only playoff game he did not have a reception);

Chambers- 20 games, 72 recs, 1156 yds, 7 TDs

Coles- 20 games, 105 recs, 1419 yds, 6 TDs

...Hold on a second, I got a knock on the door. "Oh hi Mr. Tagliabue. What's this? The announcement that all games between Sept and Nov are meaningless, and only Dec games count for the playoffs? Oh, I must have missed that press release. Thanks.

How convenient of you. Nice selective editing. How about we take ALL their regular season games for as long as both players have been playing together in the same leauge. That would be since 2001 -- and lucky for you, Cole's rookie season with only 350 yards and 1TD is the season that won't be counted. Any reasonable person would agree that's the fairest way to compare the two.

While Coles (4,286) has about 800 yards more than CC (3478) over 4 years (200 yards a year), CC has 9 more TDs. Which gap is more important is for anyone to decide. also, YPC for coles is 13.4, while CC is 1s 14.9 -- not huge, but makes a difference.

So you're right, you should keep "ignoring the fact that Coles has better #s overall" cause it isn't true. Nice try though.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Quarterbacks are judged by Wins and Losses, this is why daunte Culpepper is not truly a great QB b/c he doesn't show up in big spots and it is why tom Brady is the best QB in the game b/c he makes plays in bog spots and wins.

I know and it needs to stop. Football is too complicated to judge quarterbacks by Wins and Losses.

 

[wazzy]

Watching the Oak/NE game last night in its entirety made me wonder even more just how biased, ignorant, clueless, or homer-esque these so called "experts" are on all the NFL columns and TV programs. I won't even go into the fact that at one point when they showed Kraft in his private box you could see Berman, S. Young, et al from ESPN sitting RIGHT BEHIND HIM!!! Bias much???

Anyhow, "experts" have been saying all offseason how wonderful Oakland has done with building up their offense, adding talent, etc. They have touched on the defense being questionable, but only very lightly and tend to focus more on Moss and Jordan, etc. After watching last night I have to say: How the hell is Oakland any better than us???? How can Sean Dingleburry NOT say the same asinine comment about winning 4 games in relation to them?? Seriously, I have evaluated this from a non-homer perspective before typing this post in order to be fair. This team isn't better than us on the field...or even on paper!! Yet they get all this love. We know why though, because of Randy Moss and the Raider name, but anyway, here's my reasoning.

QB: Collins and Frerotte are even. Both are vets, who CAN throw, read D's, manage a game...BUT, they seem to be either on their game, or really off and aren't consistent. Collins is not better than Gus, and vice versa. PUSH
RB: Jordan is a nice back, however, Ricky and Ronnie I think is easily the better choice. MIAMI
FB: Who cares, neither hardly use one. PUSH
WR: Moss, Porter, Curry, Whitted compared to Chambers, Booker, DBo, Welker. Moss is great but not enough to cover the rest. Curry = 1yr wonder so far and Porter is always underachieving!! As a group across the board; MIAMI
TE: Not even close; MIAMI
OL: After watching Oakland last night, their O-line plays just like ours. A couple good plays then a bunch of garbage, then back to a couple good. Gallery looked unimpressive, L.Walker was horrendous, Grove was OK, Sims was solid. They could run the ball, but their pass blocking was pooh. IMO the teams are a PUSH
DL: Kelly, Sapp (way past hsi prime, it wasn't the move to DE last year!!), Washington (old but solid), Hamilton, Burgess, etc. None of these guys could get any pressure, played good run D though. However; Taylor, Carter, Traylor, Holliday, Zgonina, Bowens, Roth are much more talented, experienced and deeper. MIAMI
LB: Not even close, the Raiders have no one even as good as Crowder for Chrissakes MIAMI
CB: Woodson and Madison are even. Nnamdi is a nickel corner AT BEST so I would give the edge to Howard/Daniels. Routt was a "Jerry Wilson" at nickel so I give us the edge again for the Howard/Daniels at that spot. Where was Fabian Washington besides me seeing him sitting on the bench?? MIAMI
S: Schweigert looked inexperienced and confused, Derrick Gibson looked like perhaps the worst player on the field. Missing tackles and can't cover. Our safety position is still learning, but I feel confident Schulters/Jones/Bell have more potential than the Raiders group!! MIAMI
K: Both are good and tend to miss the gimme once in awhile PUSH
P: Lechler by a longshot RAIDERS
COACHING STAFF: I cannot even name the Def and Off. coordinators and I know I saw them visually last night. Add to that Norv Turner has always been an underachieving head coach and the fact everyone aside from Dolphin people even admits our NEW coaching staff is top notch, this is simple MIAMI

Miami = 8
Raiders = 1
Evens = 4

So, am I a crackhead or on par?

Qb goes to Collins just because I don't think he is over the hill as much as frerotte. I think Collins should of had a better game yuesterday but still even with a decent showing he is still better then frerotte(and I'm not against frerotte in anyway)

WR- Sorry Moss is the best and untill our QB starts hitting out guys in the numbers I think Oakland wins this 1.

OL- We have a lot more to prove then them even though they did look a little inconsistant last night. (oakland for now)

CB- If you think Madison is as good as Woodson then we shouldn't even be worrying about our DB's at all but since Madison is not that good I do worry. I give this to Oakland even though there rookie had a bad game and there CB's looked a little embarrasing just because Miami has a lot more to prove. (Oakland for now again)