More reasons why I honestly don't uderstand the "experts"

[Schleprock]

Why some would think Oakland better than the Phins would be for 1 reason, actually one name......

Randy Moss.

He is a big name and a big time playmaker.
These analysts just jump on the "big name" bandwagon and forget that football is a team sport all the way.
Look at Miami's roster and you see no big time offensive players, a new coach and question marks on the defensive side of the ball. Pair that with the fact Miami has no premier playmakers and you are going to get ignored.

yes, i agree. And that is one of the beefs I was really trying to get at. these "experts" aren't really Experts. Just people bribed and paid to say X about certain teams in order to get face time and ratings.

 

[nyjunc]

It takes two you know, you need a qb to be more consitent also, and get the ball to him, and not throw awful ducks.

Again, in '99 we had Rick Mirer and Ray Lucas and Key had well over 1,000 yds. He helped to carry that offense and helped us get back to .500 despite the ton of injuries we had.


I do like Chambers as a player, obviously I want to see him fail as he is on a rival team but he has a ton of ability and it wouldn't surprise me to see him step up to that next level but he has to prove it.

 

[cltchperf]

Again, in '99 we had Rick Mirer and Ray Lucas and Key had well over 1,000 yds. He helped to carry that offense and helped us get back to .500 despite the ton of injuries we had.


I do like Chambers as a player, obviously I want to see him fail as he is on a rival team but he has a ton of ability and it wouldn't surprise me to see him step up to that next level but he has to prove it.

If a qb can't get it to his receiver what good is it, thses guys must have atleast been able to get the to them, because if a qb sucks in a game it effects the whole offense, rbs, Tes, and especailly WRs. Coles is better now looking at past stats, with all the other stuff, but he is not way better, the only receivers that are way better than Chambers, are Randy Moss of course, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Torry Holt, but Anquan Boldin, but that's talking about now though, I can see Chambers being as good or better than some of the guys down the road, except Moss of course. Chad Johnson, Marvin Harrison are etc, are definitly better than Cole, too in present day. Quite an exaggeration

 

[kcbrown]

Chambers is really good in all aspects in my opinion except for going after the rock while it's in the air on downfield plays...it just seems that he gives up on plays at times....as a reciever, if you don't catch it, you better damn make sure the D doesn't, I've seen him just slow down on a few occasions or not snatch the ball like he should. I'm not a big stat guy either but Chambers needs to step up....

Micheal Irvin, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Mushin Muhammad, Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, Nate Burleson (in 04), Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, Moulds, Rod Smith, Booker (when he was with the Bears)...these are or have been legit number ones....I love Chris, but he is just not there yet.

 

[nyjunc]

If a qb can't get it to his receiver what good is it, thses guys must have atleast been able to get the to them, because if a qb sucks in a game it effects the whole offense, rbs, Tes, and especailly WRs. Coles is better now looking at past stats, with all the other stuff, but he is not way better, the only receivers that are way better than Chambers, are Randy Moss of course, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Torry Holt, but Anquan Boldin, but that's talking about now though, I can see Chambers being as good or better than some of the guys down the road, except Moss of course. Chad Johnson, Marvin Harrison are etc, are definitly better than Cole, too in present day. Quite an exaggeration

You can't say the only Wrs better than Chambers are moss, Harrison, etc... The next level after the top includes guys like Coles, Moulds, Rod Smith, Mason, etc... Chambers is another notch below w/ guys like Santana Moss, Lee Evans, Justin McCareins, Jerry Porter,...

Can Cha,mbers ascend? No question about it but again he needs to prove it. Coles has proven he is a legit #1 while Chambers has not.

On to your QB argument, Fiedler is a heck of alot better than Mirer/lucas were in '99. Mirer was as bad as I have ever seen. in Week 1 Vinny got hurt early in the 2nd qtr and tom Tupa came in to play QB and Key had a huge day w/ him at QB. great WRs(which is what Key was then) make their QBs better and vice versa.

 

[cltchperf]

Chambers is really good in all aspects in my opinion except for going after the rock while it's in the air on downfield plays...it just seems that he gives up on plays at times....as a reciever, if you don't catch it, you better damn make sure the D doesn't, I've seen him just slow down on a few occasions or not snatch the ball like he should. I'm not a big stat guy either but Chambers needs to step up....

Micheal Irvin, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Mushin Muhammad, Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, Nate Burleson (in 04), Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, Moulds, Rod Smith, Booker (when he was with the Bears)...these are or have been legit number ones....I love Chris, but he is just not there yet.

well part of that is frustration,too. Hopefully saban will get Chambers to play his all. Chambers went for the ball in the preseason game against the bears, the ball was behind him yet he adjusted to the pass and came back for it, and made a nice catch with two defenders covering him.

 

[cltchperf]

You can't say the only Wrs better than Chambers are moss, Harrison, etc... The next level after the top includes guys like Coles, Moulds, Rod Smith, Mason, etc... Chambers is another notch below w/ guys like Santana Moss, Lee Evans, Justin McCareins, Jerry Porter,...

Can Cha,mbers ascend? No question about it but again he needs to prove it. Coles has proven he is a legit #1 while Chambers has not.

On to your QB argument, Fiedler is a heck of alot better than Mirer/lucas were in '99. Mirer was as bad as I have ever seen. in Week 1 Vinny got hurt early in the 2nd qtr and tom Tupa came in to play QB and Key had a huge day w/ him at QB. great WRs(which is what Key was then) make their QBs better and vice versa.

Fiedler thorws so many ducks though, no veleocity, not much accuracy, most were wobbly balls, he had leadership, and scrambling, goes he was better than other Mirer, whoever else, but he is not good at throwing the rock, I've seen him play plenty of times.

 

[cltchperf]

You can't say the only Wrs better than Chambers are moss, Harrison, etc... The next level after the top includes guys like Coles, Moulds, Rod Smith, Mason, etc... Chambers is another notch below w/ guys like Santana Moss, Lee Evans, Justin McCareins, Jerry Porter,...

Can Cha,mbers ascend? No question about it but again he needs to prove it. Coles has proven he is a legit #1 while Chambers has not.

On to your QB argument, Fiedler is a heck of alot better than Mirer/lucas were in '99. Mirer was as bad as I have ever seen. in Week 1 Vinny got hurt early in the 2nd qtr and tom Tupa came in to play QB and Key had a huge day w/ him at QB. great WRs(which is what Key was then) make their QBs better and vice versa.

I said the receivers that are WAY better are Moss, Harrison, I'm not saying that those guys like Rod Smith, or whoever aren't better, but they are not WAY better, there's a big difference with WAY better and better.

 

[TorontoFin]

You can't say the only Wrs better than Chambers are moss, Harrison, etc... The next level after the top includes guys like Coles, Moulds, Rod Smith, Mason, etc... Chambers is another notch below w/ guys like Santana Moss, Lee Evans, Justin McCareins, Jerry Porter,...

Can Cha,mbers ascend? No question about it but again he needs to prove it. Coles has proven he is a legit #1 while Chambers has not.

On to your QB argument, Fiedler is a heck of alot better than Mirer/lucas were in '99. Mirer was as bad as I have ever seen. in Week 1 Vinny got hurt early in the 2nd qtr and tom Tupa came in to play QB and Key had a huge day w/ him at QB. great WRs(which is what Key was then) make their QBs better and vice versa.

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You put coles, moulds, Rod smith in the second-tier of WR? Are you freakin' mad? They don't belong in the fourth tier!!
Coles has proved to be a #1? what with his 1 TD last year? The most TDs Coles has caught in his career is 7, and that was 5 years ago. Moulds has only had one decent season in 5 years,a nd that was in 2002. Smith is a little more consistant, but again, hasn't been an explosive gamebreaker for years.

randy moss, TO, and Harrison are in a worl on their own. Period. the next tier includes:

Holt, Chad johnson, Joe Horn, Deric Mason,

Then comes the Darrel Jackson, drew Bennet, and Chris chambers- types

Your boys follow

And then everbody else

 

[nyjunc]

:rofl3:

You put coles, moulds, Rod smith in the second-tier of WR? Are you freakin' mad? They don't belong in the fourth tier!!
Coles has proved to be a #1? what with his 1 TD last year? The most TDs Coles has caught in his career is 7, and that was 5 years ago. Moulds has only had one decent season in 5 years,a nd that was in 2002. Smith is a little more consistant, but again, hasn't been an explosive gamebreaker for years.

randy moss, TO, and Harrison are in a worl on their own. Period. the next tier includes:

Holt, Chad johnson, Joe Horn, Deric Mason,

Then comes the Darrel Jackson, drew Bennet, and Chris chambers- types

Your boys follow

And then everbody else

Holt belongs in the top tier and to put Chambers ahead of Coles is as laughable as it gets.

ignoring the fact that Coles has better #s overall let's look a little closer at their #s in Decemebr and january reg season games(in Chambers only playoff game he did not have a reception);

Chambers- 20 games, 72 recs, 1156 yds, 7 TDs

Coles- 20 games, 105 recs, 1419 yds, 6 TDs

 

[Schleprock]

When I started this thread this AM, I never imagined it would turn into a 1,610 viewed thread LOL Perhaps I have now became infamous here!!!!!! LOL

 

[nyjunc]

When I started this thread this AM, I never imagined it would turn into a 1,610 viewed thread LOL Perhaps I have now became infamous here!!!!!! LOL

it's turned into a good discussion.

 

[cltchperf]

When I started this thread this AM, I never imagined it would turn into a 1,610 viewed thread LOL Perhaps I have now became infamous here!!!!!! LOL

You can thank NYjunc

 

[Shamboubou]

Good post.
I disagree in some areas. Collins is a lot better than Gus IMO, the Raiders recievers are a little better (just having a guy like Moss puts them up there and their other guys are above average) and their o-line is way better too. The Raiders will put up a lot more points than the dolphins this year, but their defense is like swiss cheese.

I disagree about the Raiders WR. Having Moss does make your reciever core much better, but you also have to look what happend last night, Moss was double and triple covered at points of time, you cant do that with Miami. If you double Chambers you have Booker and/or Boston to worry about. Other that Moss the Raiders dont have a real big threat. We on the other hand have 2 pro-bowl WR and a RB that had the best hands of anybody in the last draft.

Other than the WR I agree their line may be slightly better right now, half way through the season I beleiver our line will be better. Our D is much better though which if the old saying holds true Defense wins championships we will have a better year than Oakland.

 

[Schleprock]

You can thank NYjunc

I read that quick and thought it said "You cn thank NSync" :rofl3: :rofl3: