Mueller/Saban Combo

[Fin Fan in Cali]

True but that is a different topic. my point was when wanstadt acted fast it was a bad thing he should have waited to see what was out there. when Saban acts fast it's the greatest thing in the world. also i would say Feeley was the main player they overpaid for. i thought getting Gordon with a 3rd was a good move considering our situation last year. you never give up on season that early on.

I never said it was the greatest move, I said it was nice that they are pro-active. We need to add depth on corner right now. Rather then cutting someone, fill a need with a trade. I am sure that these guys will continue to evaluate our current team, and what becomes available, and if it's considered an upgrade, and we can do it, I am sure they will continue to put the best product on the field.

 

[Agua]

As long as Saban keeps a tight leash on Mule, it should work out fine.

 

[aesthetic]

and did yoou notice that these needs that we are addressing haven't cost us any draft picks.....

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

and did yoou notice that these needs that we are addressing haven't cost us any draft picks.....

That's even better. I think Nick will be shopping the players that might not make the team for needs at other positions as the cut down days approach.

 

[jlfin]

i never wanted wanstadt in the first place. i think speilman got an unfair deal. he brought in good players he just didn't know how to bargin and that is something he could have learned.

He was also not given final say on personnel until last year. Then when he got final say he had pressure put on him to put all the pieces together to win now. There was a sense of urgency to find a QB (other than Fiedler), thus the deal for Feeley. I still think Kerry Collins would have been a better fit for a win now philosophy. For those who don't like Collins you have to realize that he was the best out there at the time.

 

[Mike13]

funny when wanstadt and spielman did that everyone said they acted in haste, but Saban does it and its great talk about your double standard.

Speilman and Wanny were ****y If you didnt notice. Saban and Randy are much better.

 

[godfater21]

Speilman and Wanny were ****y If you didnt notice. Saban and Randy are much better.

How can they be deemed better when we have not even played one game yet preseason or regular season?

 

[godfater21]

He was also not given final say on personnel until last year. Then when he got final say he had pressure put on him to put all the pieces together to win now. There was a sense of urgency to find a QB (other than Fiedler), thus the deal for Feeley. I still think Kerry Collins would have been a better fit for a win now philosophy. For those who don't like Collins you have to realize that he was the best out there at the time.

i agree with that

 

[godfater21]

and did yoou notice that these needs that we are addressing haven't cost us any draft picks.....

for one not true. he used a pick on wright which we had a need at DT. yes it does count even if he is a rookie. and second the big name players he brought in were all free agents. the player he traded for is a guy where its like who cares that CB wasn't even a nickle or dime CB last year.

 

[finfan54]

funny when wanstadt and spielman did that everyone said they acted in haste, but Saban does it and its great talk about your double standard.

I agree, If spielmen were here he would do the same thing, why? because he would do as he is told. Nick simply brought his guy in. Im not even sure if Mueller is the ultimate guy he wants over the long haul.

Guys are coming to miami on short notice because they know the winds of change are a comin and they have a chance to play in a defense that is like a bunch of crazed dogs!

It is Saban that is bringing people here though. Wannstedt cant even hold Sabans jock.

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

for one not true. he used a pick on wright which we had a need at DT. yes it does count even if he is a rookie. and second the big name players he brought in were all free agents. the player he traded for is a guy where its like who cares that CB wasn't even a nickle or dime CB last year.

By there assestment they got something for the DE, when we could of got nothing if we cut him. He could turn out to be a great addition. The DT depth at the current time was well worth a fifth round pick to add some much needed youth. Only time will tell if they got a great deal or what. They have gone out and added depth at positions we were lacking in. Would you just assume we stand our ground, and wait for someone to just give us quality role players?

 

[zephon]

As long as Saban keeps a tight leash on Mule, it should work out fine.

very true. I've never been a Mueller fan. His mouth runs far too often and has gottne himself and his team in trouble when he was with the Saints.

The whole "personel can't take to media" rule seems to me that it was specifically designed for Randy....of course Saban had that rule in place before hiring Mueller but it's perfect for that guy.

Like another poster put it, I don't think Randy was Saban's 1st choice and likely is not his long term choice either. Of course Poili was 1st contacted but not allowed to speak to us and subsequently resigned to a long term deal with NE.

I personally think that the guy Saban brought with him, I can't remember his name now, to be his "personal assistant" will eventually take over for Mueller once he's been in the league for a couple seasons. I think Saban brought Mueller in to basically train the guy and get his own name back into NFL circles after leaving NO badly and being on ESPN writing articles.

I think Speilman could have done just as good, if not better, job but in all honesty we NEEEDED a cleanout of the front office after so much happened during the Wanny and Rick period. Rick will emerge in a couple years as another teams true GM and I think he'll do a good job.

Basically, I'm not saying it was a bad hire but I don't think Mueller will be here during Saban's entire career wit the Phins.

 

[godfater21]

By there assestment they got something for the DE, when we could of got nothing if we cut him. He could turn out to be a great addition. The DT depth at the current time was well worth a fifth round pick to add some much needed youth. Only time will tell if they got a great deal or what. They have gone out and added depth at positions we were lacking in. Would you just assume we stand our ground, and wait for someone to just give us quality role players?

how is trading for a CB that was nothing special getting a quality role player? and as far as trading a DE instead of cutting him who is to say we will not cut this CB.

 

[Surferosa]

So far so good....

 

[DolphanD]

for one not true. he used a pick on wright which we had a need at DT. yes it does count even if he is a rookie. and second the big name players he brought in were all free agents. the player he traded for is a guy where its like who cares that CB wasn't even a nickle or dime CB last year.

It's true he spent a draft pick but it was the second of 2 5th rounders we had. And it's really sweet when Manny was initially considered a 1st-3rd round pick. I am so glad he had a bad workout because otherwise we would've had to compete with other teams.

Houston spent a 2nd rounder on Tony Hollings who is constantly injured and other teams were right behind Houston in that supplementary draft.

In the long run I think Manny will respond to Nick's coaching and get stronger and in shape and be a stellar Nose Tackle or Under Tackle in this defense.