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My unbiast opinion on talent in the east..

BillsCA said:
Well is Losman7 agrees it must be true. ;)

I know right?

tay0365 said:
Actually, this is not that bad, but in QB, Miami goes higher then the Bills, even Losman7 agrees, and expects it.

Even though I have a lot more faith than most in Feeley, I still would rather have the combination of Losman and Holcombe. Thats blasphemy, but you'd be lying if you didnt say they had a lot more potential.
 
Losman7 said:
Special Teams...April took our unit from one of the worst to the best.
he really doesnt get enough credit for that.

now when our special teams is on the field, i see an opportunity for a big play, insted of holding my breath saying, "please kick it out of bounds... please kick it out of bounds.... "
 
DBoston80 said:
I'm looking through clear glasses as I make these evaluations....In my humble opinion as a WHOLE..

Quarterbacks

1.) New England
2.) Jets
3.) Buffalo
4.) Miami

Runningbacks

1.) Buffalo
2.) Jets
3.) Miami
4.) New England

Wide Recievers

1.) Miami
2.) Buffalo
3.) New England
4.) Jets

Tight Ends

1.) Miami
2.) New England
3.) Jets
4.) buffalo

OL
1.) Jets
2.) Pats
3.) Miami
4.) buffalo

DL
1.) Jets
2.) New Engalnd
3.) Miami
4.) Buffalo

LB's
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Buffalo
4.) Jets

DB's
1.) Buffalo
2.) Pats
3.) Miami
4.) Jets

ST
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Buffalo
4.) Jets

Coaching
1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Jets
4.) Buffalo

The final avg #'s

1.) New England
2.) Miami
3.) Jets
4.) Buffalo

I disagree with the bulk of your rankings becasue we have too many unknowns at this time. I think the potential is there, but until it is proven, we do not rise in many of the categories.

I would list us more like:

QB: 1-NE, 2-NYJ, 3-MIA, 4-BUF. Feeley with experience and adding Frerotte is better than Losman.

RB: 1-NYJ, 2-NE, 3-BUF, 4-MIA. Brown hasn't done anything yet, Ricky is uncertain, and Gordon is coming off of injury. We all know what Martin, Dillon, and McGahee/Henry can do.

WR: 1a-MIA, 1b-BUF, 3-NYJ, 4-NE. Chambers, Booker, and Thompson have to get more consistent and Boston is coming off of major surgery. Jets getting Coles back is a bit scary. NE is starting to lose it. BUF has great speed.

TE: 1-MIA, 2-NE, 3-NYJ, 4-BUF. Linehan's 1 TE system makes us #1 since we don't have a reliable #2 TE. Still McMike needs to improve in the routine aspects of the game.

OL: 1-NYJ, 2-NE, 3-BUF, 4-MIA. We sucked last year. We added a coach, but not much else - so we have to wait and see before moving up here. I think we can move to #2 if Houck is the miracle-worker everyone is touting him to be.

DL: 1-NYJ, 2*-NE, 3*-MIA, 4-BUF. We need something more at DT (hopefully Wright). NE has Seymour holding out which will have a big impact on that line. If holds out all of camp and we get Wright, I flip-flop NE, MIA. If our FA and draft picks panout, we could jump to #1, but there is nothing to warrant such a move yet.

LB: 1-NE, 2-BUF, 3-MIA, 4-NYJ. We have guys that are getting older, coming off of injury, an infusion of youth, and a downgrade at DT (which impacts LB play). Unfortunately, the guys who should be in their prime right now are not anything to speak of. With the new system, there is a high probability of some serious mistakes made by the LB corps this year. NE could slide pending how they replace Bruschi. MIA with quick development of Crowder, situation LB play of JT, and solid performance by Spraggan could leap frog to #1.

DB: 1-BUF, 2-NE, 3-NYJ, 4-MIA. Sam is another year older, potentially a high-round draft pick starting (Daniels), and no idea who our safeties are going to be. Again, a signing and some quick development could alter the rankings, but too many questions right now.

ST: 1-BUF, 2-NE, 3-MIA, 4-NYJ. IMO, the only consistent ST bright-spot was Welker. BUA had A big hit, Mare was really inconsistent, and our long-snapping sucked. Mare's improvement and Perry's health are the critical factors here.

COACHING: 1-NYJ, 2-BUF, 3-NE, 4-MIA. NE drops because no one knows how the loss of the DC, the OC, and several assistants will impact them. MIA is at the bottom because Nick is new and the whole staff and system are just getting put in place. NYJ - Herm Edwards has done a pretty steady job and in BUF, Mularky got results his first year in. We have the potential to leap frog big time here, hhowever, NE has the same opportunity. This order could easily (I hope) get reversed.

One thing you forgot to rank: INTANGIBLES. Where teams just seem to find some crazy way to win or the ball just seems to bounce their way.

INTANGIBLES: 1-NE, 2-NYJ, 3-BUF, 4-MIA. NE has had this locked for four years now. In fact, their rise to dominance can be attributed to two freak plays - Bledsoe getting his lung collapsed, and the fumble that wasn't against Oakland. MIA we have not had a break in a while - we are due.
 
ch19079 said:
he really doesnt get enough credit for that.

now when our special teams is on the field, i see an opportunity for a big play, insted of holding my breath saying, "please kick it out of bounds... please kick it out of bounds.... "

Well, being at the Jets opener a few years ago, I know what you're saying.

we tie it up, go to OT.

I run to the bathroom, as I'm waiting to go back down the stairs I watch Morton running down the field. Horrible.
 
We definitely are worst in QB, but should definitely be at the top in Rbs. Our squad has a 1-2 punch that only Buffalo can equal.
 
Losman7 said:
Well, being at the Jets opener a few years ago, I know what you're saying.

we tie it up, go to OT.

I run to the bathroom, as I'm waiting to go back down the stairs I watch Morton running down the field. Horrible.

i was really drunk for that game. and was VERY pissed at that ending.
i jsut remember benson, (i think) trying to run the guy down from an angle, but was to slow. :shakeno:
 
Aqua and Orange said:
We definitely are worst in QB, but should definitely be at the top in Rbs. Our squad has a 1-2 punch that only Buffalo can equal.
i like how you put buffalo up their :D , but i would hold off on any real evaluation of Williams before he plays. he could be a beast again, or he could be a bum with no heart or desire. :(
 
ch19079 said:
i like how you put buffalo up their :D , but i would hold off on any real evaluation of Williams before he plays. he could be a beast again, or he could be a bum with no heart or desire. :(


Also, you may not have Henry come opening day.
 
ch19079 said:
ill just write what i disagreed with and show how it should be.

WR: Buffalo > Fins

This is a tough one.

I'd probably put Moulds and Chambers on the same level. Moulds is more physical, but Chambers is more athletic. Moulds has been showcased in an offense with a strong running game and accurate QB. Chambers has been double-teamed and inconsistent but with a poor QB. In our offense, I'd rather have Chambers. Also, the balance is swayed much more in Miami's favor if you consider the future value of both players. Moulds is aging, and Chambers is a rising talent who needs a QB.

Lee Evans is certainly better than Booker. I'm going to go ahead and assume Evans comes into camp as #2; Reed has been an absolute disappointment. Evans > Booker > Reed. They're all different players, but Evans is a burner and really turned it on at the end of last year. Considering the futures of all these players, Evans is head and shoulders above the rest.

Miami's #3 is better than whomever Buffalo puts up. David Boston/Derrius Thompson are both better than Reed. Parrish hasn't done anything in the NFL yet and his size is going to hurt him. He's just not a big guy and he's clearly not as gifted as Santana Moss, who is inconsistent at best. He'd be a good ST player/returner, but I don't see him panning out as a strong WR.

Chambers > Moulds > Evans > Booker > Boston (eh, this is speculative) > Thompson > Reed > Parrish (for now, have to see)

Buffalo by a hair. Not obvious.
 
Losman7 said:
If you are SOOO great at Special teams, O-Line, and LB why did you pick 2nd in the draft? Nothing has changed on your team in those areas.
Ace special teamer/safety Chris Akins is back off the IR, not that our special teams were bad last year. I think I would still put Buffalos ahead of us. Our offensive line picked up Stocker McDougle and some depth and... Oh yeah, the best offensive line coach in the league, Hudson Houck. I cannot make a call on which O-line is better; I think I am going to be a homer on this one, OURS. Our linebackers are just fine and we drafted Channing Crowder to be Zachs understudy who will be causing alot of problems for you in the very near future. I am sure Bills fans and even some Dolphins fans will be on me for that, but with the exception of Spikes none of the Bills linebackers impress me that much
 
infiltrateib said:
This is a tough one.

I'd probably put Moulds and Chambers on the same level. Moulds is more physical, but Chambers is more athletic. Moulds has been showcased in an offense with a strong running game and accurate QB. Chambers has been double-teamed and inconsistent but with a poor QB. In our offense, I'd rather have Chambers. Also, the balance is swayed much more in Miami's favor if you consider the future value of both players. Moulds is aging, and Chambers is a rising talent who needs a QB.

Lee Evans is certainly better than Booker. I'm going to go ahead and assume Evans comes into camp as #2; Reed has been an absolute disappointment. Evans > Booker > Reed. They're all different players, but Evans is a burner and really turned it on at the end of last year. Considering the futures of all these players, Evans is head and shoulders above the rest.

Miami's #3 is better than whomever Buffalo puts up. David Boston/Derrius Thompson are both better than Reed. Parrish hasn't done anything in the NFL yet and his size is going to hurt him. He's just not a big guy and he's clearly not as gifted as Santana Moss, who is inconsistent at best. He'd be a good ST player/returner, but I don't see him panning out as a strong WR.

Chambers > Moulds > Evans > Booker > Boston (eh, this is speculative) > Thompson > Reed > Parrish (for now, have to see)

Buffalo by a hair. Not obvious.

If Boston was able to rebound back to play like Boston again , then that would alter things significantly though in Miami's favor.
 
cltchperf said:
If Boston was able to rebound back to play like Boston again , then that would alter things significantly though in Miami's favor.


..very true because Boston at his BEST is better than all of them!!! He is still very young but time will tell!
 
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