My Views at Fins Camp Sunday

[adamprez2003]

I realize the only competition most people want to discuss is the QB battle and while it certainly is important, I am much more concerned with the offensive line, Defensive tackle and secondary battles.

My feelings on Frerotte/ Feeley battle are pretty much if Frerotte wins we have a below average (rank 15-25) quarterback. If Feeley wins, well who knows, his upside is undetermined as of yet. This is Feeley's last year to prove himself. When this season is over we will all know if he is a legitimate quarterback or scrub.

It's too early at this stage to write off anybody. By the middle of August we will all have a better idea who is progressing and who is floundering.

 

[CrazyCarl]

Michael Vick did not struggle with the new West COast offense, did he??

Actually I would have to say yes.. Vick struggles in any offense he is in.. Just because he can run around does not make him a good QB, a good athlete yes, but a good QB he is not.. career QB rating of 76.9 is far from pro bowl, yet, he gets all the love in the world because he can run around (almost avg a fumble per game in his career) I hate Vick by the way

 

[Phishstix]

bro, I think phishstix was messing around.....he's just as skeptical of feeley as all of us...he was making fun of the excuses

ding ding ding

 

[fin13]

inFin sometimes is nice to have an objective point of view, and is good to see you do
that.
My feeling is that Saban and the coaches saw enough in AJ that they decided to give him a chance.
Gus is not a stater in the NFL and AJ may or may not be, the key is given the oppportunity will he succeed.
I hope he does I'm a Dolphin fan all I can wish is the best for our players.

 

[Muck]

I'm not gonna make any excuses for the guy. I've seen many QBs adjust to new offenses like Aikman, Trent Green, & just to name a few. I don't recall ever seeing a QB struggle w/ the offense in Minn.

Trent Green threw 17 TDs and 24 INTs his first year starting in KC. This was a guy who threw 16/8 (8 games) and 23/11 (15 games) the previous two years he played. The next year in KC, he threw 26/13.

Troy Aikman is a Hall of Famer. And yet he threw 31 TDs and 46 INTs his first three years in the league. A lot of that had to do with talent. But in year three, Dallas went 11-5, yet Aikman went 11/10 (12 games). The year after Jimmy left, he threw 13 TDs and 12 INTs.

How long did it take Donnovan McNabb to get comfortable in the West Coast offense?? 5 years. That's exactly how long Steve Young says it takes.

I'm not sold on Feeley. But to say that a QB shouldn't struggle in a new offense...in the NFL no less...just doesn't make sense IMO. I expect him to struggle in mini-camp. Frerotte is entering his third year in the offense. Timing and chemistry should be his only shortcomings.

 

[TouchMyMarino]

Maybe we should be freaking out over the fact that Mann lit up the secondary twice in a row?

It's June. Feeley got yelled at? Aww. Yesterday so did Zach and Jr. I don't get the people here who throw the hate on switch for certain players. If the best QB on opening day is AJ or Gus or Sage, so be it.

 

[jlfin]

On previous threads the reviews were not negative. They were mixed with respect to the top 3 QB's.

 

[touborg]

Actually I would have to say yes.. Vick struggles in any offense he is in.. Just because he can run around does not make him a good QB, a good athlete yes, but a good QB he is not.. career QB rating of 76.9 is far from pro bowl, yet, he gets all the love in the world because he can run around (almost avg a fumble per game in his career) I hate Vick by the way

He's still lightyears better than Feeley.

 

[Jimi]

He's still lightyears better than Feeley.

as of now he is. But as of now that is not saying much at all. Right now Feeley is a bad QB, based on last year anywayz.

 

[Phishstix]

I hate Vick by the way

i never would have guessed

 

[grendel]

as of now he is. But as of now that is not saying much at all. Right now Feeley is a bad QB, based on last year anywayz.

He's not a bad QB, he is just a backup that Speilman gambled on.

 

[LAphinfan]

This is just one more reason to be thankful that Saban is calling the shots now. We all know the damage Spielman/Wannstedt did through poor drafts and trades, but Saban looks to be able to undo most of that damage in the nxt couple of years. I look forward to seeing how the nucleus of this team changes as JT,Zach, and Madison transition into the roles of savvy veterans and mentors. Crowder, Roth, Daniels...who's next? Oh yeah, in an unrelated issue, are we going to dump D. Bowens and his $2 mil+ salary or what?

 

[kizzaboo]

It was a post that indicated, that I'd sure like to hear some of his other views because his very first post ever smacks of obvious bias and too much emotion. Much like your posts do.

I don't need to dispute any of your points, they're your opinion and you're entitled to think what you want. Doesn't make you right. You MAY be right but, you could also still be very wrong. Neither one of us is in any position to prove anything. I said I'd give AJ this entire season to be what he needs to be or get the hell outta the way and I'm sticking to that no matter how many over emotional posters sign up to bag on Feeley after watching one practice.I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet, does that bother you so much?

Now, let's tackle your "facts"

1) Saban hasn't come out and given anybody the starting job has he? No, that's a fact. You're going to have to show me a quote where Saban says he's not comfortable with AJ Feeley, until you can do that, then Saban's lack of confidence is simply you projecting your own bias onto ambiguous comments.

2) Feeley has been in the league for going on 4 years true, how many games has he started? Not ONE FULL season. Fact. How many games did he start in college. Wasn't it 8? So in the last 5 years Feeley has started somewhere around 23-24 games in pro and college combined. Why didn't he start in Philly? Hmmm, maybe it was because McNabb is Philly's starter and last I heard, he was pretty good? What's the first thing Jim Bates did when he took over? He sat Jay because he was smart enought to understand that the best thing for the future of AJ Feeley was to get him on the field as much as possible. Because no matter how long he's been in the league, and how much you want to twist his tenure to fit your arguement, he is still a very inexpereinced QB.

3) What's your point? Isn't he learning a new offense, just like last year?

4) What does 5 years of Feidler have to do with this??? Nothing, that's what. Wannstedt fell in love with Jay, Do you think Saban is the type that's going to do that with any player, much less AJ Feeley?

Any other "facts" you want me to address?

The :newbie: got :0wned:..

I wanted to say many of the same things but I was lazy and had to do some yard work. Im glad that somebody put him back in his place. Nice post inFin.

BTW the whole article is a tad bit pointless... this is a mini camp in a new era with new coaches, players, playbooks, and schemes. So sit back and relax and lets not jump the gun and start tearing players apart on the first practice.

 

[LarryFinFan]

The guy looks bad. I'm sorry, but good QBs don't struggle with new offenses. If they brought in a WC offense, that's something else. But this is a very QB friendly offense. Maybe you should attend camp. The guy is stinking it up out there. The only reason AJ is here is becuz of the 2nd rd pick that was given up for him. It hurts me to say it but Gus is the better QB. Gus might be a journeyman. But I always thought he was one of the best backups in the league. He did start for 2 Washington and Denver.

That's not a true statement...How about Favre...he couldn't move the ball in Atlanta's offense when he started...How about McNabb..he took a couple years to learn the WCO really well...perhaps AJ is not doing the job right now, it is only 3 days into the minicamp and about a dozen or so practices altogether. Ferrotte has spent 3 years in this system....You people are ridiculous saying that Feeley is not any good after 3 practices...How about Warner...he struggled big time last year in a different system...I suppose you were on the sign Warner bandwagon too....How about Brunnell, he hasn't adjusted to Gibbs offense..talk about a QB friendly offense...give the guy a little time folks...I love these "minicamp prognosticators" that can determine who the next SB winner will be after 3 days of practice in shorts....

 

[unifiedtheory]

Actually I would have to say yes.. Vick struggles in any offense he is in.. Just because he can run around does not make him a good QB, a good athlete yes, but a good QB he is not.. career QB rating of 76.9 is far from pro bowl, yet, he gets all the love in the world because he can run around (almost avg a fumble per game in his career) I hate Vick by the way

Sanity!!!!

Someone agrees with me.