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New details emerge, don't see how Marshall isn't suspended

Cuts to wrist (it doesn't say if it was front or back of wrist) and hands = defensive wounds.

Conceivable scenario, based on the facts in evidence? She attacked him with a knife, he got the defensive wounds while trying to fend her off, but she managed to stick him in the gut anyway. Maybe she grabbed a gun in the home, and pointed at him, and he wrestled it away with his bloody hands, and popped the mag out before the police arrived.

I don't know how big his wife is, but I imagine a large NFL WR would feasibly injure her in the struggle. Her legs could have gotten hurt in the fall. We also don't know about what was present in the room where this went down. She could have gotten minor cuts on just about anything. In police reports, any cut is routinely referred to as a laceration, which doesn't give any idea of length, depth, or seriousness.

Do I know that is what happened? Absolutely no, but I've been to enough domestics, and made enough arrests on them to know that situations similar to that happen often.

As far as charges being dropped, it's pretty simple. If Brandon insisted that he would not testify against her, 99 Prosecutors out of 100 will drop the charges. Technically, in many states, including my own, the state is responsible for "pressing charges" in cases of DV. However, without fail, I show up to court with my stack of pictures, and all connected evidence, and then the victim decides not to show, or gets on the stand and says the assault never happened. In every case I can remember in 16 years, that has resulted in the case being dropped. They just cut out the middleman, and dropped the charges in this case after a few interviews with Brandon, and realized the end result beforehand.

It's equally plausible that Brandon was trying to off himself, and she was trying to save him. Or that Brandon smacked the hell outta her and she grabbed a knife. Any way you slice it (har har!), we will never know with the facts we have to work with. I highly doubt he gets a suspension, so my money is on Crypt Keeper losing the 2012 Nostradamus Award.
 
I think the suicide theory is the best one. It would explain why the charges were dropped against the wife.

Marshall claims his wife didn't stab him... So who did? Brandon Marshall stabbed Brandon Marshall.
 
SkapePhin said:
I think the suicide theory is the best one. It would explain why the charges were dropped against the wife.

Marshall claims his wife didn't stab him... So who did? Brandon Marshall stabbed Brandon Marshall.
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After thinking about Magoo's theory, there is one major flaw. Someone attempting to kill themselves wouldn't stab themselves in the abdomen. If you're gonna get stabbed, that is one of the less devastating spots to have it happen. It takes quite a while to bleed out from injuries there. If he was trying to kill himself, he would slice his wrists, thighs, or somewhere else with major blood vessels. This doesn't sound like a suicide attempt to me...
 
Locke said:
After thinking about Magoo's theory, there is one major flaw. Someone attempting to kill themselves wouldn't stab themselves in the abdomen. If you're gonna get stabbed, that is one of the less devastating spots to have it happen. It takes quite a while to bleed out from injuries there. If he was trying to kill himself, he would slice his wrists, thighs, or somewhere else with major blood vessels. This doesn't sound like a suicide attempt to me...
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He had sharp cuts on his wrists...

There is also the fact that often times people who try to kill themselves dont really WANT to kill themselves. Its more of a call for help or attention. Obviously, I doubt Brandon Marshall has any deep knowledge of what parts of the body are best to stab oneself in order to die quickest.

The way I see it, Marshall was trying to slit his wrists, his wife catches him, argues, he is yelling being crazy and stabs himself in the gut.

This is all conjecture, but I could definitely see that happening...

The singer Elliott Smith killed himself by stabbing himself in the heart. You probably wont find that often, but he did it...
 
Spesh said:
And yet, you appear to be rooting for one of the best players on our team to be suspended. Not sure how that equals "winning season".

You are right about one thing, that youve stated over and over and over again, that Goodell doesn't need an arrest to suspend anyone.

That being said, the commissioner has shown he will do anything for positive public relationship news and he is currently coming off of a very ugly lockout where he was repeatedly booed by the people he so desperately needs. Keep in mind, after the first rape charge Goodell supported Big Ben. After Michael Vick was accused of dog killings, Goodell publically supported him until he learned Vick was lying. Hell, part of Vicks suspension was because he lied to the commissioner. Goodell has also supported Ricky Williams and his multiple come back attempts.
Marshall hasn't been charged with anything, because it appears he didnt do anything, he publically announced he has a disorder and is seeking help. Marshall has always been a guy who does want to do the right thing but seems to self-destruct(and now we know why). Id put all my money on Goodell embracing Marshall's troubles and just sitting down to talk to him about what he could do to help.

Another thing people need to keep in mind is that Goodell has bigger fish to fry. Aqib Talib, Kenny Britt, and a few others repeatedly caused trouble during the lockout. He has to keep the peace with the players union(a relationship thats already strained) while also maintaining control over those types of behaviors. Not to mention the inevitable standoff with James Harrison, who is doing everything he can to staredown Goodell. In a very literal way, Goodell can't afford to throw the book at the small stuff, who also happens to be trying to get better instead of trying to continue committing crimes, while the big stuff is dangling over his neck.
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Hate to tell u Brandon marshall is not the dolphins. He is a member of the Phins if he does jacked up stuff I agree he should be punished, i dont have double standards for guys that play on my team
 
SkapePhin said:
He had sharp cuts on his wrists...

There is also the fact that often times people who try to kill themselves dont really WANT to kill themselves. Its more of a call for help or attention. Obviously, I doubt Brandon Marshall has any deep knowledge of what parts of the body are best to stab oneself in order to die quickest.

The way I see it, Marshall was trying to slit his wrists, his wife catches him, argues, he is yelling being crazy and stabs himself in the gut.

This is all conjecture, but I could definitely see that happening...

The singer Elliott Smith killed himself by stabbing himself in the heart. You probably wont find that often, but he did it...
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It's possible that it wasn't a real suicide attempt but a cry for help, but then it also doesn't make sense that no one knew he was suicidal. There is a very clear pattern with suicides, and those who seriously want to kill themselves don't tell anyone what their plan is, make plans for their belongings, and do it quietly. Those who are using it for attention let the people they are trying to get attention from know that he is suicidal. It could be argued that the only person he wanted attention from was his wife, but that still doesn't fit very well. I've worked with suicidal people in therapy quite a bit, and this just doesn't fit the pattern.

The wounds on his wrists were described as defensive wounds. It's pretty easy to differentiate between defensive wounds and self inflicted. Borderline personality disorder has nothing to do with suicidality directly. It means he is more histrionic, and histrionic people TEND to be more prone to suicide, but not all are, so there is an indirect connection. I can't know anything for sure without being directly involved, but if I was brought on as a consultant with just this information available to me, I would say a suicide attempt would be reaching, but not impossible...
 
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Well, I'm actually gonna go against the grain and agree with this guy;
after all, when there are spurious and speculative accusations, inuendos, meaningless and predictable denials, and axes to grind, where there's smoke, there's gotta be fire, right?

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Locke said:
After thinking about Magoo's theory, there is one major flaw. Someone attempting to kill themselves wouldn't stab themselves in the abdomen. If you're gonna get stabbed, that is one of the less devastating spots to have it happen. It takes quite a while to bleed out from injuries there. If he was trying to kill himself, he would slice his wrists, thighs, or somewhere else with major blood vessels. This doesn't sound like a suicide attempt to me...
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You are assuming that during the moment of his potential attempted suicide that he had the mental clarity to think about where his major arteries were and what would be the best place to stab himself for an effective kill. I had a son with BPD who died by a simple drug interaction (accident or suicide, we will never know) and he did some crazy crap that was both brilliant and moronic at the same time in his rages or depressions. I tell you, when someone with BPD falls off the wagon...their brain is somewhere else that most people can't even conceive, much less understand. I truly feel horrible for Brandon and his family as it is a horrific monster of a disease to deal with for everyone involved and almost never ends well. I hope like heck that I am wrong but it would not shock me at all if B-Marsh dies shortly after his football career ends...he needs one hell of a support system and something to ensure that he recognizes his self-worth without football. That is a struggle for all aging athletes but would be armageddon for a superstar with BPD. I pray that he is able to get help and follows through with the treatment.
 
Buddy said:
You are assuming that during the moment of his potential attempted suicide that he had the mental clarity to think about where his major arteries were and what would be the best place to stab himself for an effective kill. I had a son with BPD who died by a simple drug interaction (accident or suicide, we will never know) and he did some crazy crap that was both brilliant and moronic at the same time in his rages or depressions. I tell you, when someone with BPD falls off the wagon...their brain is somewhere else that most people can't even conceive, much less understand. I truly feel horrible for Brandon and his family as it is a horrific monster of a disease to deal with for everyone involved and almost never ends well. I hope like heck that I am wrong but it would not shock me at all if B-Marsh dies shortly after his football career ends...he needs one hell of a support system and something to ensure that he recognizes his self-worth without football. That is a struggle for all aging athletes but would be armageddon for a superstar with BPD. I pray that he is able to get help and follows through with the treatment.
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I'm sorry about your loss. :(

I think the lockout contributed to his problems this offseason. It appears that normally gets in trouble during the offseason, when there is no football to take his mind off himself. You may be right...
 
Locke said:
It's possible that it wasn't a real suicide attempt but a cry for help, but then it also doesn't make sense that no one knew he was suicidal. There is a very clear pattern with suicides, and those who seriously want to kill themselves don't tell anyone what their plan is, make plans for their belongings, and do it quietly. Those who are using it for attention let the people they are trying to get attention from know that he is suicidal. It could be argued that the only person he wanted attention from was his wife, but that still doesn't fit very well. I've worked with suicidal people in therapy quite a bit, and this just doesn't fit the pattern.

The wounds on his wrists were described as defensive wounds. It's pretty easy to differentiate between defensive wounds and self inflicted. Borderline personality disorder has nothing to do with suicidality directly. It means he is more histrionic, and histrionic people TEND to be more prone to suicide, but not all are, so there is an indirect connection. I can't know anything for sure without being directly involved, but if I was brought on as a consultant with just this information available to me, I would say a suicide attempt would be reaching, but not impossible...
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We dont know what goes on in his life other than what gets out to the public... He very well could have been displaying suicidal tendencies in the weeks leading up to the incident... We have no idea.
 
well at least u are never bored with Marshall on your team well until he gets suspended lol
 
There is nothing in that artical that would indicate any wrong doing by Marshall. He was stabbed, had defensive wounds and the crazy witch went to jail. What in that would bring any call from the commish other than a simpathy call?
 
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