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NFL.com breaks down the Dolphins power structure

nyjunc said:
what do you guys think Philbin has done to earn such power? I know you guys hated Ireland and anything is better than him to you guys at the moment but I am not sure you should take comfort in an organization where Philbin has all that power.
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Short answer junc, nothing.
 
normaniii said:
It's not about earning power, it's about what it should have been like. I love this :-

Hickey spent significant time right after he got the job meeting with Philbin to learn his system, and had assistant coaches make presentations to the scouts in February on what traits they wanted in players.

I can't see any luxury picks on 3-4 OLB's
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when new guy come into new job they can easy see what past problem the hardest problems for new gm is get people believed in change.. we have not win in long time,,,, qb rule nfl? can tannehills get that done for dolphins?
 
ireland believed he was smarter than Philbin (and anyone else, for that matter). We were saddled with a egocentric, narcissistic megalomaniac of a GM who thought he and tuna invented football all by themselves.

I personally believe that ireland was dragged kicking and screaming into the Tannehill pick and extracted payback a year later... "I'll show you, this is MY pick and I'll do it my way"... ergo, dion jordan. People fault Ross but he got that CANCER of a wannabe GM off this franchise.
 
nyjunc said:
as far as HCs who earned that power they usually have had success as HCs in previous stops.

I am not debating Ireland, I understand his mistakes but I question why give Philbin this power. What has he done to earn it? maybe he turns out to be brilliant at it, we'll see.
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It's basically just a one year thing. He'll either sink or swim this year and has no one to point the finger at anymore.

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RobertHorry said:
It makes no sense to me why a GM would force a player on a coach. The coach has to COACH the player and use them to win games. Logically the coach should be the one choosing which player fits his staff and style the most, not the man sitting in a press box eating a Filet Mignon during game days.
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I don't think Ireland had much respect for Philbin, I don't think he wanted to hire him in the first place.
 
nyjunc said:
as far as HCs who earned that power they usually have had success as HCs in previous stops.

I am not debating Ireland, I understand his mistakes but I question why give Philbin this power. What has he done to earn it? maybe he turns out to be brilliant at it, we'll see.
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To be perfectly honest, I don't think he earned it. I think he persuaded Ross that his plan, unfettered by Ireland, would lead to success.

And I think Ross gave him one year to prove it.
 
nyjunc said:
what do you guys think Philbin has done to earn such power? I know you guys hated Ireland and anything is better than him to you guys at the moment but I am not sure you should take comfort in an organization where Philbin has all that power.
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I am not a big Philbin fan but this season is on him so he should have a bigger role to influence the roster with the players he wants on the field.....its playoffs or he fired this yr....
 
RobertHorry said:
It makes no sense to me why a GM would force a player on a coach. The coach has to COACH the player and use them to win games. Logically the coach should be the one choosing which player fits his staff and style the most, not the man sitting in a press box eating a Filet Mignon during game days.
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Ireland thought that he knew better than everyone. He still probably believes that some of the players he drafted were great but the problem was with the coaches. I sense that Philbin and Hickey are better at working together for the good of the team. We had so few players drafted last year who saw much playing time, that reflects the extent that Ireland wasn't listening to the coaches.
 
The Goat said:
To be perfectly honest, I don't think he earned it. I think he persuaded Ross that his plan, unfettered by Ireland, would lead to success.

And I think Ross gave him one year to prove it.
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It seems to be way too easy to convince Ross that everything is someone else's fault.
 
spiketex said:
Ireland thought that he knew better than everyone. He still probably believes that some of the players he drafted were great but the problem was with the coaches. I sense that Philbin and Hickey are better at working together for the good of the team. We had so few players drafted last year who saw much playing time, that reflects the extent that Ireland wasn't listening to the coaches.
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Its all about the system.

Hartline would be awful for the Buffalo Bills and Philadelphia Eagles.

Tavon Austin wouldn't do anything in our system and neither would Riley Cooper.

I understand fitting a system to the players, but it has to be both ways.
 
nyjunc said:
what do you guys think Philbin has done to earn such power? I know you guys hated Ireland and anything is better than him to you guys at the moment but I am not sure you should take comfort in an organization where Philbin has all that power.
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Let me ask you, what coach doesn't want certain players to fit their scheme?

Don't over state things.

The article is much ado about nothing really.
 
Casas9425 said:
It's basically just a one year thing. He'll either sink or swim this year and has no one to point the finger at anymore.

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I don't think Ireland had much respect for Philbin, I don't think he wanted to hire him in the first place.
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and obviously the enmity Philbin felt for Ireland was likely even more pronounced..... especially after Jeff essentially ****ed the season by ignoring Philbin's urging to trade for Albert, instead trying to justify his own ineptitude by moving Martin to LT.. and from an on and off field standpoint, we all know how that one worked out, eh? After allowing Ireland to ruin the season, whether Philbin has earned it or not, Ross owed it to him to sink or swim on the basis of his own decisions.
 
Vaark said:
Dawn, her demonstrated ability to eviscerate Ireland and her influence with Ross is the wild card in this collaborative paradigm, IMO.
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Right, because it is Dawn Aponte who will be making the final call on our first draft pick in 2 days, and it is Dawn who chased down Bill Lazor to be our OC....oh, and it was Dawn who decided that Branden Albert needed to be signed. Yea, Dawn is calling the shots alright.
 
Zounds said:
Right, because it is Dawn Aponte who will be making the final call on our first draft pick in 2 days, and it is Dawn who chased down Bill Lazor to be our OC....oh, and it was Dawn who decided that Branden Albert needed to be signed. Yea, Dawn is calling the shots alright.
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Please show me where I said she was "calling the shots"

*crickets*


What I did say purposely referencing the ease in which she dispatched Ireland was that the "collaborative" partnership could be harpooned by her whispering sweet nothings into Ross's ear after the fact regarding Hickey's and/or Philbin's judgement, especially if the season starts slowly, for all intents and purposes poisoning Steve's perspective. It's not like it hasn't happened before :idk: How do we know she wasn't butt hurt not getting Hickey's job cuz we sure know she's ambitious, do we? She doesn't need an internet e-knight, she can fight her own battles.
 
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