NFL DRAFT & RUMORS MEGATHREAD

[hoops]

Said it before, but I think Tucker Kraft is the closest current TE. Hard to say how he'll take to blocking, but it will be key for him, as it is for Kraft, in unlocking his potential. As you correctly point out, he doesn't project as the kind of TE you can line up as a defacto WR and expect him to get open. Loveland is that. So, if he's not going to get open that way, he has to get open via deception, which is where his growth as a blocker will be so important.

With the ball in his hands, though, and at the catch point, he's really good.

Tucker Kraft is a stud. Where I think he’s different is he tested off the charts coming out. The college tape was raw as heck but if I can get my hands on a Kraft as my tight end I’d be all about it.

However I don’t think Warren is gonna test that well. I just don’t see it. He’s obviously more polished than Kraft was coming out and it says something that the entire offense could run thru him at Penn state his final year but he only has one real year of production and til he tests and runs and gets me out of the mid 4.8 speed with average athleticism despite the ideal frame and the body to develop as an in line blocker I just don’t see him validating a top 20 pick long term.

Top 5 stuff blows my mind. You better be a straight up go to iso 3rd down tight end when split or flexed for me to go top 5. Brock bowers last year yeah I can see it cause dude ran 4.5s on tape against sec competition and was murder after the catch and at the top of the route. Warren doesn’t have that skill set.

And in line tight ends that can’t win when ISO’d on 3rd down are mid round pick values. To me he falls more top 75 ish in most classes.

Maybe he’s more tj hockenson as a pro but I don’t think I’d take that top 15 either.

 

[MrClean]

Is Will Johnson ever gonna run? And close the questions about his long speed. He’s the only corner I could see as a fit to Miami as the 2nd boundary at 13.

I think Barrons an ideal nickel. Miami can’t afford to take a 24 year old nickel top 15 even if kohou could use an upgrade.

Barron isn't just a nickel. Most of his snaps last season were at boundary, and no corner in the country played better.
He is the ONLY DB I'd even consider at 13.

 

[MARINO1384]

Drafting for need early can be dangerous.

Miami/Grier created a desperate roster situation.

Now it's not who you take but who did you let go...

Disagree. At 13 you can draft for need and value while still getting a top player. Later in the draft is when you draft purely bpa. Not to mention this draft particularly is elite player poor. There’s maybe 5 elite players that will all most definitely be gone by 13 besides maybe Jeanty but that comes down to positional value.

We have holes at guard/dt/corner are our biggest needs and there’s no reason we can’t break down the top players at those positions and come away with a need as well as a top tier prospect

 

[MrClean]

guys gonna be the first person to send people to Mars but he's too stupid to do better than Grier.

I've read some stupid takes on here but Holy **** does this one top them all.

That is pure and utter nonsense on multiple levels.

 

[hoops]

Barron isn't just a nickel. Most of his snaps last season were at boundary, and no corner in the country played better.
He is the ONLY DB I'd even consider at 13.

Yeah I’m aware of where he played this last year and he played well but I think he’s a faster Brian branch as a pro with similar instincts he’s also 24. At 5 foot 11 and 190 lbs I wouldn’t project long term him as a boundary corner. In fact I think if he’s drafted there he’s miscast. To me ideally he’s a nickel which for a lot of teams carries a first round grade as much as nickels play snaps wise but to Miami with kohou here I just think we have bigger fish to fry right now. Blame it on the gm for all the holes that have bigger priority lol. That 4.39 may well get him drafted as a 2nd boundary corner but I wouldn’t do it. I can see teams just seeing that speed and saying “it will work”

 

[MrClean]

You’re underestimating how elite Matt Dickerson is

Sarcasm?

 

[MrClean]

Yeah I’m aware of where he played this last year and he played well but I think he’s a faster Brian branch as a pro with similar instincts he’s also 24. At 5 foot 11 and 190 lbs I wouldn’t project long term him as a boundary corner. In fact I think if he’s drafted there he’s miscast. To me ideally he’s a nickel which for a lot of teams carries a first round grade as much as nickels play snaps wise but to Miami with kohou here I just think we have bigger fish to fry right now. Blame it on the gm for all the holes that have bigger priority lol. That 4.39 may well get him drafted as a 2nd boundary corner but I wouldn’t do it. I can see teams just seeing that speed and saying “it will work”

Barron doesn't turn 24 til December. His age is not relevant. 5'11 and 195, or whatever he weighs on a given day, is sufficient for playing on the boundary, if the skill set warrants it, and his does. I also do not agree with the faster Brian Branch comp. He is much closer to a shorter Surtain II. He is a darned sight more than just speed.

 

[Dogbone34]

Disagree. At 13 you can draft for need and value while still getting a top player.

Of course. Some of the good teams will add better value in the 20's.

Miami is boxed into moving a Tackle inside or taking a DT. That's less than ideal.

Draft wisely, draft talent...Dolphins don't have that luxury. (Grier Effect)

 

[hoops]

Barron doesn't turn 24 til December. His age is not relevant. 5'11 and 195, or whatever he weighs on a given day, is sufficient for playing on the boundary, if the skill set warrants it, and his does. I also do not agree with the faster Brian Branch comp. He is much closer to a shorter Surtain II. He is a darned sight more than just speed.

Well if he’s drafted by Miami at 13 I’m sure it will be to play the second boundary in the staffs mind and you can tell me how wrong I am down the road. When he proves he’s an ideal boundary. And not a force by a staff that miscast folks.

Bet I’m willing to make. Long term nickel.

Brian branches first year he played big nickel converted to full time safety this last year. I think you are correct in Barron has more of a corner game but long term id project he’d replace kohou in Miami.

 

[Martel13]

It's one thing to be a fan and speak in hyperbole and say "I could draft better than this guy", or "I could coach better than that guy". That's normal because we are being fans and talking crap, that what fans do.

To actually think someone could step in off of the street from a fan message board and be a better NFL GM than someone with 20 years of experience is insane, and not in the membrane.

I totally get what you’re saying and it seems crazy but honestly if these lower tier GMs were THAT good why do they miss on more picks than not??

They scout every ounce of these guys life months then more often than not whiff on a pick. I think if you just took the draft and not all the other GM duties plenty of people could probably draft well.

I liken it a little bit to my line of work, music -where you can have the greatest musician who knows every chord and play anything but can’t make a hit song. Then some 19 year old makes something in his bedroom that takes over the world. Bit of a false equivalency but I’m just saying sometimes the pros aren’t THAT much smarter than the joes especially in an extremely subjective field (not physical)

 

[hoops]

Barron also played some dime lb at Texas. Jack of many trades no doubt.

Do you know what dime lb dbs in college are in the pros nickel dbs and safeties?

Nickel frame nickel corner. Easiest projection.

 

[bdizzle00]

I totally get what you’re saying and it seems crazy but honestly if these lower tier GMs were THAT good why do they miss on more picks than not??

They scout every ounce of these guys life months then more often than not whiff on a pick. I think if you just took the draft and not all the other GM duties plenty of people could probably draft well.

I liken it a little bit to my line of work, music -where you can have the greatest musician who knows every chord and play anything but can’t make a hit song. Then some 19 year old makes something in his bedroom that takes over the world. Bit of a false equivalency but I’m just saying sometimes the pros aren’t THAT much smarter than the joes especially in an extremely subjective field (not physical)

Every GM misses on more picks than not in the long run. It’s the high impact successful picks that make all the difference.

Miami hasn’t had enough of them.

 

[hoops]

Every GM misses on more picks than not in the long run. It’s the high impact successful picks that make all the difference.

Miami hasn’t had enough of them.

We haven’t had any of em. Name one draft pick that has become elite level in the pros? Like top 5 at their position. There isn’t any.

 

[hoops]

Daniels can play any IOL spot equally well.

I think Daniel’s was drafted as a pivot coming out so he could definitely be the plan b center

And of course there’s eich

 

[MrClean]

Well if he’s drafted by Miami at 13 I’m sure it will be to play the second boundary in the staffs mind and you can tell me how wrong I am down the road. When he proves he’s an ideal boundary. And not a force by a staff that miscast folks.

Bet I’m willing to make. Long term nickel.

Brian branches first year he played big nickel converted to full time safety this last year. I think you are correct in Barron has more of a corner game but long term id project he’d replace kohou in Miami.

I hope Kader is signed to a multi-year deal and not let him walk. He may be better at NB, but he isn't bad on the outside. With him, Ramsey, and Barron, they could mix things up nicely.