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No, its NOT Tua’s last chance

Nobody is taking Tua over Herbert at this moment.

I do agree that I prefer Tua over Mac because of the stronger arm and RPO ability.
You're correct...nobody would. This maybe heresy, but imagine Herbert with these weapons...

Not knocking Tua, I think he's a fine, franchise QB, and will show big improvement very soon...but Herbert's arm just makes up for so much.

Tua vs. Herbert in 2025? We'll see...Tua's more crafty and does some things better than Herbert right now...if he elevates his game like I believe he can, that would be a tough call.
 
I agree with the OP..

Heres my two cents. When you have a depleted team with little to no talent, i dont care who the QB is, theres not too much things you can do to elevate. Hey maybe another QB like Herbert or Burrow can, but thatll just be an opinion until you copy and paste these players. Same as we dont know how Tua would do with their offense.

Tua's quick release is actually what elevated our offense to be productive as it was. If it wasnt for that, we wouldnt have as much wins.

Put it this way, try to drive a car with 1 flat tire, you can still drive at a slow pace. Try to drive with 3-4 flat tires and youd barely move. Tua unfortunately is the one with all 4 missing tires, not just flat tires!!

Because QBs like Burrow and Herbert had at least their RBs and Receivers, or partially a better line, its that much more that helped them to elevate the team around them. The Dolphins on the other hand had too many missing pieces for their QB.

By right, this should be Tua's first chance, with some sort of team built around him.
 
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You sure can. But if it takes me loaning you said crystal ball to see the writing on the wall then perhaps you should settle for some hand me down bifocals.
I prefer your crystal ball, the one you used to see into the future when you made your unequivocally certain statement about Tua’s fate. I too would like to make outlandish statements about the future and could use the wisdom found in your magical device to make that happen.
 
You're correct...nobody would. This maybe heresy, but imagine Herbert with these weapons...

Not knocking Tua, I think he's a fine, franchise QB, and will show big improvement very soon...but Herbert's arm just makes up for so much.

Tua vs. Herbert in 2025? We'll see...Tua's more crafty and does some things better than Herbert right now...if he elevates his game like I believe he can, that would be a tough call.
I feel you give "arm strength" way too much value.
Just my opinion.
 
Being a good QB is primarily a mental game that is augmented by running and passing skills.
Evaluating a QB's actual passing and running capabilities outside of the real world (NFL Level real world) environment that a given team will present is a "poke in the dark".

Now I know some posters prefer a "poke in the dark" at the moment of opportunity and think they have hit on a "10"; then wake up in the morning and find they actually have a number "2", along with a severe hangover. - LOL

There are two reasonable interpretations for my previous statements, and both are correct.
What did you expect?
Ray is Right - LOL
 
In my view IF Tua does not make a big improvement Miami will make a move. IF we surround him with talent we can win with him as a game manager. When have I heard that before? Could it be with Tanny for years? We did not draft a game manager at #5. How did Burrow do with an OL that sucked?

My problems with Tua are his inability to find his second read and looking lost, his repeating dumb mistakes like throwing into triple coverage and not being the leader of the team. Remember Gesicki having to move a player in place and Tua blank, Add in not knowing the play book as a rookie which he said after the season with a real OC in Gailey many blamed for not giving Tua more. lol

The above problems are not about surrounding talent and coaching but The Player.
 
There’s a narrative going nationwide that the 2022 season will be the last chance Tua Tagovailoa will have as the starting quarterback of the Miami Dolphins and —quite possibly— a starting QB of any NFL team in the future.



And it’s just bogus, man.



Consider Tua is 13-8 as a starter in his first two seasons with a 66.2 average completion percentage. That’s a better record than LA Charger’s Justin Herbert’s 15-17, and an equal completion percentage. Tua had also beaten Herbert in 2020 during their first meeting as rookies.



And neither of the two has yet to make the playoffs. (FYI: Herbert went 1-3 down the stretch to finish the season. Tua went 3-1.)



Herbert may have the better statistical numbers on the field, but he’s also been playing with a superior offensive supporting cast consisting of WR Keenan Allen, WR Mike Williams, and RB Austin Ekeler. Not to mention an organization and GM that has provided him with weapons and protection since Day 1 and is still piling on top of those additions in order to make a push for the AFC West and a Superbowl.



Tua may be going into his 3rd season, but he was just beginning to get some capable weaponry when the Dolphins drafted Jaylen Waddle in the 1st round of 2021, and was supposed to be paired with free-agent acquisition Will Fuller. But Fuller was non-existent throughout the season due to injury and other issues.



Mike McDaniel — the new head coach of the Miami Dolphins — knows Tua hasn’t had the supporting cast that would statistically lead the quarterback to great numbers or the team offense being competitive in the NFL. And that’s why he and general manager Chris Grier have made efforts to acquire new running backs, WR’s (including Tyreek “the Cheetah” Hill), and offensive linemen during the 2022 offseason.



If this was Tua’s “last chance” with the organization, I doubt Mike McDaniel would have had such inspiring words to the quarterback shortly after he was hired via a recorded phone-call that McDaniel knew was being recorded, but Tua didn’t.



"One thing I know about you is you have the ambition to be great. My job is to coach you to get all that greatness out of you," McDaniel told Tagovailoa. "I'm gonna make sure that when you look back at this day you're gonna be like, 'Damn, that was one of the best days of my career, too.'"



It’s one thing to say you’re excited to work with your new QB (whether he’s good or not) and it’s another to speak words that verbally commit to getting “greatness” out of him. Those words that McDaniel spoke, verbally tied Tua and him together. Especially, since he was willing to do it on camera.



After all, it was the reason McDaniel was hired — to fix the offense former HC Brian Flores could never build.



If general manager Chris Grier thought Tua was the problem, then why collude to fire Brian Flores and keep Tua? Why not keep Flores and trade for the quarterback he truly wanted in Deshaun Watson?



Because Tua is not the problem. He never was the problem. His supporting cast, a coach that favored a journeyman veteran and was too impatient with his rookie quarterback, and an offensive staff that consistently overturned annually throughout the Flores regime was the problem.



Flores may have been a defensive genius, but he demonstrated throughout his first stint as a head coach that he was more interested in building a defense than he was an offense.



As I mentioned, Flores changed coordinators, QB’s coaches, and OL coaches each season. He promoted Tua midway during his rookie season in 2020 when the quarterback was coming off a major hip injury, and veteran Fitzpatrick was hitting his stride in the formerly-retired Chan Gailey offense (an offense Fitzpatrick played in a handful of times before throughout his career). That move not only caught Tua off-guard, but Gailey and Fitzpatrick as well. Coming from the Patriots, it was almost like Flores expected Tua to replace Fitzpatrick much like Tom Brady replaced Drew Bledsoe. Flores expected immediate success and his impatience turned into frustration when Tua went through some hard learning experiences and rough patches, and eventually yanked Tua for Fitzpatrick on multiple occasions, and started venturing for Watson.



Under Flores, the Dolphins neglected to draft a running back in the Top rounds of the 2020 and 2021 draft. To this day we’ve seen the Dolphins fail to have a respectable rushing attack since the 2016 days of Jay Ajayi. Meanwhile, we’ve seen draftees of the past 2 seasons like Jonathan Taylor, Najee Harris, and Javonte Williams become stars.



Over Tua’s days as a Dolphin, we’ve seen him get hurt, yanked, and we complain that he isn’t doing enough on the field in comparison to Herbert or Joe Burrow his fellow peers of the 2020 draft.



But with what?



— a wide receiving corps that’s always hurt?



— running backs like Myles Gaskin, Salvon Ahmed, and Gerrid Doaks that were either 7th-round selections or undrafted?



— a poor offensive line that can’t get any push for the run-game and forces Tua to run for his life and dink-n-dunk down the field?



Tua has played, he’s started, but he hasn’t had a true chance.



Yet, players like Mike Gesicki and new arrival Tyreek Hill rave about his ball placement and accuracy.



Yet, despite having a rushing attack that ranked 30th in YPG, Tua helped the Dolphins have a 17th-ranked passing attack.



Yet, despite not having an “elite arm”, Tua was one of the best deep-ball throwers in the league.



Yet, despite not having much of a supporting cast, Tua converted 3rd-downs into 1st-downs 46% of the time last season, which was 5th-best in the league. This proves to an extent that Tua can put an offense on his shoulders and still move the ball.



Tua’s football IQ also allows him to process coverage and moving parts of the field quickly after the ball is snapped, and his feel for pocket awareness prevents him from taking more sacks than he should (20).



All of these are key elements to a QB’s game that will keep coaches intrigued about Tua’s potential. It’s the reason why the Dolphins are still moving forward with Tua. Because they believe that with his natural gifts and better weaponry, they can get even more out of him.



Mike McDaniel said as much on that phone call. He’s even made it understood to his locker room and the media that Teddy Bridgewater will be the backup. And by all accounts, Tua is still the Dolphins sure-fire starter heading into training camp.



And unless Tua falls flat on his face or gets a major injury in 2022, the Dolphins will stick with him.



And if they decide to move on, another team will pick him up, and have him compete for a starting job.



You know why?



Because (although people don’t want to admit it) he can do the most important a quarterback can do— throw the football.



If Carson Wentz and Teddy Bridgewater can go from team to team each year with their shortcomings and be still be starters — so can Tua.



If Sam Darnold can still miss games, throw interceptions, and still start — so can Tua.



And if Daniel Jones can head into his 4th season, still be on the same team, still be a starter with a 12-25 record, while playing worse and worse and WORSE each year….



So can Tua Tagovailoa.

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It should be. It's time. Go seize it or we'll be bundling the picks for a new guy. I hope Tua does it but we can't wait forever. Can you work on the spacing on your posts? A little nuts to scroll through.
 
These Tua threads are getting boring. He seems to have the tools around him for 2022, I believe he should and will be successful. The only thing I see grenading this is an Armstead injury and an Eich/Jackson tackle situation. I believe that is season wrecking and will believe that unless I see that it’s not.

Everybody wants the physical tools. Evade the rush, flick your wrist and boom 70 yard bomb. What some fail to realize is there’s 3 or 4 QB’s like that in the league. You’ll be chasing that for years if that’s what you believe you have to get to win. Tua is not that and will not be that. What we need to see is with actual competence around him and good protection can he be a sniper in the NFL like he was at bama? If he can I think we’ll all be pretty happy.

Herbert looks great but I can’t get blowing the Texans game with the playoffs on the line out of my mind. Critical pick six to boot. Tua blew the playoffs by losing to the #1 seed so both blew it in some way. The Texans were the 2nd or 3rd worst team in the conference though. Doesn’t Herbie have a history of stuff like that?
 
Being a good QB is primarily a mental game that is augmented by running and passing skills.
Evaluating a QB's actual passing and running capabilities outside of the real world (NFL Level real world) environment that a given team will present is a "poke in the dark".

Now I know some posters prefer a "poke in the dark" at the moment of opportunity and think they have hit on a "10"; then wake up in the morning and find they actually have a number "2", along with a severe hangover. - LOL

There are two reasonable interpretations for my previous statements, and both are correct.
What did you expect?
Ray is Right - LOL
I was hoping for some tangible, statistical, or historical evidence. You gave me pie in the sky generalities that would widely apply to any QB.
 
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