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Not Another Sign Him Thread: Chris Johnson

datruth55 said:
This year was Knowshon's first 1000-yard season. He was drafted in 2009. He has just as many 1000-yard seasons as Ronnie Brown.

Darren McFadden also has one 1000-yard season in 2010. Six season's in the league and all of them he's missed games because of injury. Huge disappointment for such a high draft pick.

C.J. Spiller has one 1000-yard season in his 4 season's in the league. Still primarily an off-tackle RB who has never carried the ball more than 207 times in a season. He's good when splitting carries but will never be a 25-carry per game RB in the NFL. Drafted entirely too high IMO but at least he is a home run threat.

Trent Richardson shouldn't even be on this list. Trent Richardson...to this point in his career...sucks. You'd be hard pressed to find an Indy fan right now that still thinks that was a good trade.

Reggie Bush is still hurt too often. I think durability should play a factor in being a top RB in this league and Bush is not durable...which means his not reliable.

Ben Tate is overrated.

Shane Vereen has done nothing. Only reason anybody knows his name is because he plays for the Patriots but he's never been higher than 3rd on the Pats depth chart. This year he's behind Ridley and Blount, last year he was behind Ridley and Whitehead.

Shonn Greene is another guy who's not done anything in this league.

I don't think you need to look for a RB in the first 2 rounds. I think the right place to find one is in rounds 3-6.
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Those are some good points. Again, I'm not arguing there is good talent in later rounds.

You're right, Moreno has the same amount of 1,000 yard seasons that Ronnie Brown does, but RB also has 4 more years in the NFL than Moreno.

McFadden is injury plagued, no doubt. But he has also shown himself to be a tremendous runner.

CJ Spiller went in the 2010 draft at #9. Yeah, probably too high for him. We took Odrick at #28 who has proven to be a solid player for us. But if I had the chance to have Spiller or Odrick on the Fins right now, no question I go with Spiller.

Richardson had a great rookie year on the Browns. Anytime a player puts up 12 TDs for you, it's nothing to scoff at. Yes, his transition to the Colts has been rough. Still too early to see how his career pans out. But a great rookie year no doubt.

Bush, it is hard to rely on him. But when he is healthy he brings a dynamic element to your offense that few can match.

Not everyone on the list I posted are mega-stars. But is it worth it to snag a RB earlier than round 4 at times? It certainly can be. If I was guaranteed an Alfred Morris or Zac Stacy in later rounds would I wait for them? Hecks yeah.





LeGarrette Blount - undrafted
Alfred Morris - 6th round
Zac Stacy - 5th round
Chris Ivory - undrafted
BenJarvis Green-Ellis - undrafted
Rashad Jennings - 7th round
Fred Jackson - undrafted
 
If I am not mistaken, there are quite a few talented backs in the draft this year that willbe available at the end of the second round and beyond. Bpa in first round, if we get the line fairly secure in free agency.
 
I wouldn't over pay for cj but i would definitely pick him up. Just have to make sure the scheme fits him. If the scheme doesn't fit, pass!
 
AccordOn13z said:
My thoughts exactly. If he comes cheap he would fit our scheme. Titans need a power running back they didn't use CJ properly and their O-Line is garbage. He has never rushed for under 1,000 yards a season and last year alone he had 6 Rushing TDs and 4 receiving TDs. He still has the burst. 4.24 speed at 28 is probably at a 4.4 which is still faster then most (I'm spitting speculation I have no real science behind this so relax), just saying.


Again, exactly. CJ is the original Shaddy. He was that stop-n-go/shifty RB before McCoy. Titan's offense hasn't really complimented CJ outside of 2009 when they had a passing game and THREE monster TEs (Scaife, Crumpler, and Cook). He can catch out of the back field, excels in draw plays and screens, and can bust one out at any moment w/out getting caught from behind. I don't agree with people that say Tate is a better option than CJ. Tate is a product of a great running offense. I'm not saying CJ is the best option but depending on the price tag he would really strive in the West Coast Offense. Cut Thomas - Pick Up CJ.[/QUOTE

Omg, please never compare Chris Johnson to Lesean McCoy. Wow
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LOL @ impressed with 1,000 yard backs. That's 62.5 yards per game over a 16-game season.
 
Omg, please never compare Chris Johnson to Lesean McCoy. Wow
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And why not? Are they not similar players? Johnson was doing Shaddy before he was!! Not to mention that even at 28 CJ is healthier than Shaddy.

CJ: 5-11 203 Lbs
Career Avg. Yrds: 1328 Yrds
Career Avg. Rushing TDs: 9
Career Avg. Yrds per play: 4.6
Career Rec. TDs: 8
Career Fumble Avg: 2
Years Active: 6
Rushing Titles: 1
Games started: 95 out of 96!!

Shaddy: 5-11 208 Lbs
Career Avg. Yrds: 967 Yrds
Career Avg. Rushing TDs: 8
Career Avg. Yrds per play: 4.8
Career Rec TDs: 10
Career Avg. Fumbles: 2
Years Active: 5
Rushing Titles: 1
Games Started: 74 out of 80!!

Really the list goes on and on... they're the same player except CJ is slightly older but only one more year active.
 
datruth55 said:
Why?

LeGarrette Blount - undrafted
Alfred Morris - 6th round
Zac Stacy - 5th round
Chris Ivory - undrafted
BenJarvis Green-Ellis - undrafted
Rashad Jennings - 7th round
Fred Jackson - undrafted

All of these guys are in the top 25 in rushing this season.
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Top 25 in rushing? I'd rather shoot for a back in the top 12 in rushing not top 25.The reason we haven't had a solid back in like I dont know how many years is because we think we'll get lucky in round 4 - 7.We just cant get it right with Thomas,then Miller now Gillislee.

I Really dont expect Miami to use the 19 pick over all unless they were in love with the number one back in the draft and it made it to 19.Round 2 or 3 is fine by me.Just hope the phins do their homework.It's pretty clear Lamar is a finesse back.


MarinoEqualsGod said:
Want a power back? Look no further than Andre Williams from Boston College. Dude flat out runs over people. Only problem is, he doesn't catch many (if any) passes. That's why I would lean towards drafting a more complete back like Arizona's Ka'Deem Carey (LeShawn McCoy and Gio Bernard comparisons) or Auburn's Tre Mason.

I'm definately excited about this year's crop of running backs, which means that we won't draft one.
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I'm OK with sacrificing the lack of catching to be a power back and a blocker.And yes exactly like a Andre Williams type is OK by me.
 
AccordOn13z said:
And why not? Are they not similar players? Johnson was doing Shaddy before he was!! Not to mention that even at 28 CJ is healthier than Shaddy.

CJ: 5-11 203 Lbs
Career Avg. Yrds: 1328 Yrds
Career Avg. Rushing TDs: 9
Career Avg. Yrds per play: 4.6
Career Rec. TDs: 8
Career Fumble Avg: 2
Years Active: 6
Rushing Titles: 1
Games started: 95 out of 96!!

Shaddy: 5-11 208 Lbs
Career Avg. Yrds: 967 Yrds
Career Avg. Rushing TDs: 8
Career Avg. Yrds per play: 4.8
Career Rec TDs: 10
Career Avg. Fumbles: 2
Years Active: 5
Rushing Titles: 1
Games Started: 74 out of 80!!

Really the list goes on and on... they're the same player except CJ is slightly older but only one more year active.
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All you're doing is looking at stats. CJ needs huge holes and a great line, he isn't great at any one thing other than being fast. McCoy makes people miss like the second coming of Barry Sanders
 
I mentioned McFadden in another thread and a lot of people weren't interested because he has been hurt every season. IMO he is more of what we are looking for than Chris Johnson, less $ and less of a headache. I wonder if there is something in the training program in Oakland that contributes to all of his injuries. I would love to give the guy a shot here. When healthy, he is a good runner and can block. Pick him up cheap and draft someone later in the draft. Joe doesn't like to play rookies anyway, so we would guy o in with McFadden, Miller and a young draft pick.
 
It's baffling to me why we wouldn't want Chris Johnson, Maurice Drew, or McFadden if the price is right. Lamar Miller and Daniel Thomas are not that good. Any of those three would be a big upgrade. Tannehill needs all the help he can get.
 
MarinoEqualsGod said:
Want a power back? Look no further than Andre Williams from Boston College. Dude flat out runs over people. Only problem is, he doesn't catch many (if any) passes. That's why I would lean towards drafting a more complete back like Arizona's Ka'Deem Carey (LeShawn McCoy and Gio Bernard comparisons) or Auburn's Tre Mason.

I'm definately excited about this year's crop of running backs, which means that we won't draft one.
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Would be awsome. I knew him. He and my younger brother were in the same grade. Went to my elementary and middle school before moving.
 
Travis34 said:
All you're doing is looking at stats. CJ needs huge holes and a great line, he isn't great at any one thing other than being fast. McCoy makes people miss like the second coming of Barry Sanders
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All you're doing is stating your opinion. Nothing wrong with that. However, I'm looking at facts. Also, Fact: Philly's O-Line best in the league in terms on run blocking. Not because of the yardage that they're getting but by how BIG the holes are. If CJ got the holes Shaddy got this year he would have put up similar numbers, not as high, but similar. No one is second coming of Barry Sanders. Sanders average 1526 yards a year for 10 years! The only thing they have in common is the stop and go but then the same could be said for CJ's ability to break out big runs. Again, just my opinions.
 
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