not taking up for gus but....

[DeathStar]

all im saying is give feeley a chance.

 

[Cutthroat]

And if IFs and BUTs were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas!

I don't mean to be crappy by saying that, but we are always saying IF and BUT, trying to excuse one or two bad plays, or bad circumstances (i.e. having to throw a low odds hail mary pass). However, the fact is, every QB has those situations arise and the good ones make up for it elsewhere. I did not get to see either of the last two games, but it appears that Gus is not making up for it.

I suspect there were passes thrown by AJ we could look at and say if only the WR would have been one step further down the field, or whatever other excuse there might be. The fact is you have to look at the big picture and not analyze a quarterbacks game one play at a time.

Just my two cents.
And for the record, I will say that I would prefer AJ starting. I think if given a full and fair opportunity, with a real offensive sceme and a real line, he could be good. In the first preseason game, he was playing well, but got pulled due to a slight ding. Then Gus hits a big pass and AJ was suddenly somehow terrible. He needs more than one series with the starters this preseason.

 

[Jimmy James]

all im saying is give feeley a chance.

I think the answer some would give you is that Feely has had chances. He had the chance to be the backup in Philadelphia and didn't get it done. Part or all of that may be him not holding for kicks. He had the chance to start over Fiedler and didn't distinguish himself. He had the chance to win the job over Gus and has at best done nothing to distinguish himself. This isn't even getting into his college history, either.

At some point, you have to give up on Feeley being the answer to the question. I'm not telling you that it has to be today, but it has to be some time or we'd might as well just be giving Damon Huard chances to win the job after all these years.

 

[GRYPHONK]

I think the answer some would give you is that Feely has had chances. He had the chance to be the backup in Philadelphia and didn't get it done. Part or all of that may be him not holding for kicks. He had the chance to start over Fiedler and didn't distinguish himself. He had the chance to win the job over Gus and has at best done nothing to distinguish himself. This isn't even getting into his college history, either.

At some point, you have to give up on Feeley being the answer to the question. I'm not telling you that it has to be today, but it has to be some time or we'd might as well just be giving Damon Huard chances to win the job after all these years.

ALL I gotta say is look at Drew Brees..

Not comparing just saying what would have been last year if they drop Brees like every analyst and fan wanted them too.

Luckily for the Chargers when they did give up on him they drafted a greedy rookie

 

[Blind Faith]

Ok so I get the point of the post but why dont we take a look at the drops that have hindered Feely's progress and compare them side by side with Gus. Bottom line the final numbers are where they are and its that simple. The problem is people want to believe what they want to but lets deal in reality. So if we compare what has happened side by side Thompson makes a catch agaist the Bears Maybee the phins score on the opening drive, Minor doesnt drop that pass in Pittsburgh and maybee we score on that drive, what if 3 of Feeleys good drives did not end on fumbles and we score on a couple of them. A bunch of ifs but if we want to realy give a guy a break for bad luck I think Feeley has had just as much. Bottom line fot the Gus supporters is if we add up all the drops for both guys Gus is at around 50% comp to 70% for Feeley. Last time I checked a higher comp% the more first downs you get and the more first downs the more drives stay alive and the more you will score. I believe AJ has thrown for many more 1st downs than Gus .By the way Gus supporters should realy take a look at the ground game production when Gus is in vs Feeley, it's way lopsided. Gus still cant get it done with the bennifit of a better ground game and starting O-line. Lets stop fooling ourselves AJ has performed better and should start period. Start blasting me!!!!!!

 

[Jimmy James]

ALL I gotta say is look at Drew Brees..

Not comparing just saying what would have been last year if they drop Brees like every analyst and fan wanted them too.

Luckily for the Chargers when they did give up on him they drafted a greedy rookie

There are pretty darn substantial differences between Feeley and Brees. For one, Brees has pedigree -- he was a first day draft pick. The more important difference is that unlike Feeley, he has a 3000 yard season under his belt. It's clear something went badly wrong for Brees in 2003, but everybody knew the potential for him to have a year like 2004 was there due to 2002.

Saying Feeley should get a chance seems a lot to me like saying Mike McMahon or Jesse Palmer should have a chance. No thanks.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

I know gus had some bad numbers but i can think of several plays that were not his fault or just trying to avoid trouble.

1.chambers had the dropp that they reviewed not a great throw,but not bad
2.ricky had a screen pass, it looked like he batted it down because they were all over him, not frerotte's fault
3.chambers could have caught that deep ball, it was tough but not a bad pass.
4.the hail mary? cant judge gus on that one.
5. he over threw gilmore about 4-5 yards maybe he thought gilmore would get there he is real fast, ill give gus a break on that one
6. he had a throw to booker that got batted down by a lineman, he should have seen him but that happens to the best
7. he had another screen pass to ricky close to the end of the half there was nothing there so he just threw it at rickys feet, thats a good decision its better than a pick.

i am not taking up for the guy but his numbers are not as bad as they look. although i think feeley should get a chance to start next week, but dont give up on gus he had some bad luck tonight, i did not see the pick though?

While it is true that not all Gus' incompletions are his fault, you have to acknowledge that the same is true for Feeley. So, the drops are really a wash....they are no more or less of an excuse for Gus than they are for AJ. All thats left is actual performance. Compare how Gus has done with the first string to how Feeley did with the first string. Make the same comparison with the 2nd string. At best its about even...at worst Feeley may be just slightly ahead. Of course the unknown factor is how they do in practice. Since camp is now closed to the fans and media, we really don't know how the guys stack up against each other in practice. All we can do is trust that Saban is smarter than all of us and that he will start the better QB...whoever it may be.

 

[GRYPHONK]

There are pretty darn substantial differences between Feeley and Brees. For one, Brees has pedigree -- he was a first day draft pick. The more important difference is that unlike Feeley, he has a 3000 yard season under his belt. It's clear something went badly wrong for Brees in 2003, but everybody knew the potential for him to have a year like 2004 was there due to 2002.

Saying Feeley should get a chance seems a lot to me like saying Mike McMahon or Jesse Palmer should have a chance. No thanks.

U make a valid point.

But atleast acknowledge that it is evident Feeley is progressing and getting better.

7 games now with only 2 int's. That is close to 170 attempts. 7 games now without giving up a TD to the defense which was the main argument against him.

 

[GCS VP]

I think the AJ supporters would want to point out that he got Chambers nailed if you want to dismiss the Chambers drops.

Id also like to point out that Gus damn near threw another pick but the DB`s second foot landed on the chalk.

 

[Jimmy James]

U make a valid point.

But atleast acknowledge that it is evident Feeley is progressing and getting better.

7 games now with only 2 int's. That is close to 170 attempts. 7 games now without giving up a TD to the defense which was the main argument against him.

That may just be a statistical oddity (of course, his earlier stats may also be a statistical oddity). I'll tell you this: it is going to drive me crazy to see any QB play the way he did against the Steelers. The games Damon Huard played for this team were some of the most painful ones I can remember because the style of passing was almost identical.

I obviously haven't seen tonight's game since I'm in Virginia. I hope to see something good when I get the game via NFL Network.

 

[NY_FinFan_72]

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[adamprez2003]

That may just be a statistical oddity (of course, his earlier stats may also be a statistical oddity). I'll tell you this: it is going to drive me crazy to see any QB play the way he did against the Steelers. The games Damon Huard played for this team were some of the most painful ones I can remember because the style of passing was almost identical.

I obviously haven't seen tonight's game since I'm in Virginia. I hope to see something good when I get the game via NFL Network.

Ray Lucas Monday night was the most painful experience I ever had watching a dolphin game. I've had fluid drained from my knee. That game felt like threee hours of fluid draining