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Now that Ireland is staying, his first move should be...

Who said Ireland was staying? Last I heard he wasn't told his job was safe.

Honestly, even if we make the Super Bowl, I still say we cut him. I would rather find a GM that is more in line with Philbin's line of thinking and coaching than keep a guy who would rather have it his way at the expense of the team.

Good luck finding a GM that doesn't want a new HC. We'll have a Lovie Smith/Emery situation. Where its one year of awkwardness then he gets fired. No thanks...
 
Good luck finding a GM that doesn't want a new HC. We'll have a Lovie Smith/Emery situation. Where its one year of awkwardness then he gets fired. No thanks...


The NYJ formula is one to be emulated.:err:
 
Tagging Grimes is like $11 million against the cap, that would take nearly a 3rd of our cap space and pretty much limit what you can offer to re-sign Soliai/Starks who is the other priority. Then you have Clemons, Carroll, and McKinnie who are all key players right now and will be free agents. Soliai is making $7.375 million, Starks $8.45 million, Clemons $2.75, Carroll $677,939 and McKinnie $3.2 million.

Lets say we re-sign Soliai at $8 million, Carroll at $2 million, Clemons at $2.8 million and McKinnie at $4 million...that's $16.8 million of the reported $38 million in cap space. $21.2 million left and you tag Grimes...that takes you down to about $10 million in cap space....roughly $3 million for the rookie class....you're down to $7 million without restructuring contracts. That's means you have maybe enough money left for two free agent lineman and you're done.

Also, as much as I love Grimes, he will be 31 in July so you need to be smart with the money. He's worth every bit of a $7 - $8 million dollar contract but not $11.2 million that the tag brings.

The thing is though you can't look at all of the large cap hits coming off next year. Just look at what they did with Wallace, Ellerbe and Wheeler and how they were able to push a lot of the huge hit to the second year of the contract. I could see them doing the same thing this offseason. I see a ton of bitching on this forum about Aponte but when it comes to the cap and working out contracts that stay under it, for the foreseeable future, she of late has been amazing.
 
So involved Philbin in the process. Again, find someone willing to work with him.

This would be best case scenario if he was indeed fired. I all along have said that I want Ireland here because I want Philbin here. But after seeing Tanne blossom in his second year I don't see how anyone could want Ireland fired.

He may have drafted the QB we've been looking for since Marino. That alone is worth soooo much more than a failed pick in the 3rd round or some bull**** that is always brought up.
 
The thing is though you can't look at all of the large cap hits coming off next year. Just look at what they did with Wallace, Ellerbe and Wheeler and how they were able to push a lot of the huge hit to the second year of the contract. I could see them doing the same thing this offseason. I see a ton of bitching on this forum about Aponte but when it comes to the cap and working out contracts that stay under it for the foreseeable future she of late has been amazing.

People simply don't like Ireland and will never give him credit even after we make the playoffs this season. I could careless about what he said to some other teams WR, about his mother. He's the Dolphin's GM, meaning he is my GM. Get over it. He's doing an excellent job and that actually hurts some Dolphins fans.
 
Ireland can stay, he found tannehill, vernon, mathews, clay, hartline, soali, I can go on and on every good player we have pretty much
 
Finally someone speaking with some sense. A 31 year old CB, with a injury history...should be proceed with caution. Ireland and company would be smart to bring Grimes back, at a respectable number. Be smart with what you have and don't over spend for what you want.

He won't be 31 til next season, he just turned 30 three months ago. He really doesn't have an injury problem just missed one year because f his Achilles. However watch him work out, he's a freak. This will likely be his last big contract so he'll expect prolly a 4 year contract. Give him a 4 year/30 mil contract with it front loaded with him making around 10-11 mil next year. We are currently at 19 mill under with 42 players under contract. Cutting Matt Moore and Patterson would free up another 9 million. Puts us around 18 mil to resign Starks/soliai,Clemons,carrol. My only concern for not signing him would be if he wants more than that. While we are in good shape cap wise next year. We have two big contract guys coming up after next season with pouncey who's going to cost us at least 6-8 mil a season then Tannehill who could cost us another 8-9 mil a year. Another two are Oliver Vernon and clay who it would e smart to wrap up both this offseason ( at least clay) to make sure we don't make the same mistake we did on reshad and letting them have huge contract year and costing us more then he should of.
 
He won't be 31 til next season, he just turned 30 three months ago. He really doesn't have an injury problem just missed one year because f his Achilles. However watch him work out, he's a freak. This will likely be his last big contract so he'll expect prolly a 4 year contract. Give him a 4 year/30 mil contract with it front loaded with him making around 10-11 mil next year. We are currently at 19 mill under with 42 players under contract. Cutting Matt Moore and Patterson would free up another 9 million. Puts us around 18 mil to resign Starks/soliai,Clemons,carrol. My only concern for not signing him would be if he wants more than that. While we are in good shape cap wise next year. We have two big contract guys coming up after next season with pouncey who's going to cost us at least 6-8 mil a season then Tannehill who could cost us another 8-9 mil a year. Another two are Oliver Vernon and clay who it would e smart to wrap up both this offseason ( at least clay) to make sure we don't make the same mistake we did on reshad and letting them have huge contract year and costing us more then he should of.

We are talking about when his contract is up and when he would sign a new one. That is why I used the 31 for his age. As for your 10/11 mil deal for next year, I disagree. That is alot of money to tie up on a aging CB. This team needs to resign some of its own within reason, and plug up some holes, while looking to upgrade others.

While I value what Grimes has done to date. I also don't believe in giving such money to a aging star. 11mil for next season is abit rich for me, and wouldn't be smart for the building of this team. Keep contracts smart, so we can keep building for tomorrow. I'm just not a big believer in paying such big money for older talent, outside of a QB.
 
He won't be 31 til next season, he just turned 30 three months ago. He really doesn't have an injury problem just missed one year because f his Achilles. However watch him work out, he's a freak. This will likely be his last big contract so he'll expect prolly a 4 year contract. Give him a 4 year/30 mil contract with it front loaded with him making around 10-11 mil next year. We are currently at 19 mill under with 42 players under contract. Cutting Matt Moore and Patterson would free up another 9 million. Puts us around 18 mil to resign Starks/soliai,Clemons,carrol. My only concern for not signing him would be if he wants more than that. While we are in good shape cap wise next year. We have two big contract guys coming up after next season with pouncey who's going to cost us at least 6-8 mil a season then Tannehill who could cost us another 8-9 mil a year. Another two are Oliver Vernon and clay who it would e smart to wrap up both this offseason ( at least clay) to make sure we don't make the same mistake we did on reshad and letting them have huge contract year and costing us more then he should of.

His birthday is July 19, 1983...it was 5 months ago.
 
His first move should be to release wheeler. Koa Misi, ellerbe, and dion Jordan should be our linebackers. Jelani is young and getting better each week. Cut your loses at the end of the season!

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Grimes will be back! His wifey states how much they love miami and are grateful. Plus, you don't just get rid of good players, you try to keep them around.
 
Good luck finding a GM that doesn't want a new HC. We'll have a Lovie Smith/Emery situation. Where its one year of awkwardness then he gets fired. No thanks...

Actually Carolina just did it last year and they are rolling.
 
My problem with Ireland, and this is what worries me about the Grimes situation, is that he thinks he is smarter than he is and he's stubborn. That's why we really failed to address the left tackle position. Ireland was convinced that he drafted the right guy with Jonathan Martin. I'm worried that he's gonna think that we have enough talent in our 2013 draftees in the secondary to where he isn't gonna 'overspend' on Grimes. Then, when we're giving up 400 yards passing a game by next October, he'll reach and trade good picks for some other team's 2nd or 3rd CB. This has been Ireland's M.O. way too much and it's what drives we the fanbase freakin' nuts. Miami had all that cap room this offseason and Ireland just refused to kill the proverbial fly with the proverbial sledgehammer and our QB has gotten sacked more than any other Dolphins QB ever. If Ireland can look at this mistake and fix this particular arrogant behavior, then he'd be worth bringing back.
In his defense, I think he felt that Lance Louis (who had been darn solid for the Bears) would be a good 'plug&play' guy. I liked the move too, at the time. That didn't work out. But, we coulda had McKinnie in July or August (I wanted Talib too, but I digress) and we waited until our season almost went down the drain. We definitely should've gotten McKinnie prior to our bye-week. That reality hurts. We'd be playing for home-field right now if we had, IMO. As it stands now, we gotta go play a REALLY tough must-win game just to make the playoffs and avoid a 'trap game' to end our season vs a team that would love nothing more than to ruin our season.

Anyway, we are where we are and it's up to our players now. I think we do, certainly, have enough to push us through unless our players under-perform. Ireland's unsung moves have been shining this season. Guys like Rishard Matthews, Charles Clay, even Egnew, to a certain extent as well as Olivier Vernon have exceeded expectations and driven us to the precipice of the postseason. You could say that Ireland does the hard part well and the easy part poorly. Let's hope he can start following the neon signs for the big decisions moving forward while continuing to excel at finding chestnuts.
 
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I'm going to watch the 2014 draft from behind my hands - like a girl watching a horror movie. You'd have to try to screw it up - given the depth and talent at positions that we actually need. It shouldn't be a difficult draft to execute. Just don't get cute, Jeff.

I almost hope he use the second and third rounder to trade up for Jake Matthews. We know that he'll go OL in the first. This way it would be someone we a pretty sure won't bust out on top of not having to worry how he will botch the second and third round.
 
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