Offensive Line Play

[t47c]

• The bottom line.... it places a premium on teaching and coaching.
• That's why guys like Houck and Gibbs are getting big bucks $$$... as much or more than coordinators.
• Teams with the best system to match their players and that have the ability "coach" those players up have the best opportunity for success.
• Period.

But does it also say it's beeter to teah your own players??. having capable back-ups to step in? I am not disagreeing with you on the coaching aspect I totally agree. Just think it's very important to have replacements with in the system and to only be teachin 2-3 guys a year, most being on the bench and not changing 4-5 starters every year.

 

[thedayafter]

But does it also say it's beeter to teah your own players??. having capable back-ups to step in? I am not disagreeing with you on the coaching aspect I totally agree. Just think it's very important to have replacements with in the system and to only be teachin 2-3 guys a year, most being on the bench and not changing 4-5 starters every year.

• In todays NFL you don't have the luxury of teaching and developing your own players like in the past.
• You get 2-3 years tops and then either they go to FA... or get replaced in FA or the draft.
• It's reality...

 

[t47c]

So Like I said, Having 4-5 returning starters will lead to better line play. Better coaching will only make the line even better. Since you stated theat the turnover has resulted in terrible line play in the NFL it seems to state: having all your starters return wil make this unit better. Which is what I was stating in my original POV.

 

[thedayafter]

So Like I said, Having 4-5 returning starters will lead to better line play. Better coaching will only make the line even better. Since you stated theat the turnover has resulted in terrible line play in the NFL it seems to state: having all your starters return wil make this unit better. Which is what I was stating in my original POV.

In closing....

• I stated there are only two teams in the NFL that are projected to have all 5 returning starters in the same positions as last year.
• I DID NOT state that line play is "terrible". It is not up to the standard of the past great lines.
• The match up of players to fit the system coupled with excellent teaching/coaching produces the best opportunity for success... provided you have someone capable of running the ball.

 

[t47c]

• In todays NFL you don't have the luxury of teaching and developing your own players like in the past.
• You get 2-3 years tops and then either they go to FA... or get replaced in FA or the draft.
• It's reality...

2-3 years isn't enough to develop your own players????? how many second string players do you see getting big bucks in free agency? it's your starters that you lose and you install a second stringer. Usually signing them if you think they are going to be able to play. If not, well then you just drafted poorly. Or didn't have a quality coach.
I'm not saying we have that BTW, just stating an opinion on developing players.

 

[t47c]

In closing....

• I stated there are only two teams in the NFL that are projected to have all 5 returning starters in the same positions as last year.
• I DID NOT state that line play is "terrible". It is not up to the standard of the past great lines.
• The match up of players to fit the system coupled with excellent teaching/coaching produces the best opportunity for success... provided you have someone capable of running the ball.

Ok so we agree to disagree....
I think you still helped prove my point.

 

[Disnardo]

But does it also say it's beeter to teah your own players??. having capable back-ups to step in? I am not disagreeing with you on the coaching aspect I totally agree. Just think it's very important to have replacements with in the system and to only be teachin 2-3 guys a year, most being on the bench and not changing 4-5 starters every year.

Good rebutal and good post, sorry for interrupting and putting my 2 cents in...

Maybe there is some thruth and aspect of teaching retuning players in a new sytem. The key here is the word "new." If the OL improves dramatically with Houck's system, than in my mind the difference here is "Houck", not the returning players...

 

[Mike13]

I just read a couple post concerning our Offensive line. I don’t want to defend the play of the unit last year because it doesn’t deserve any quite frankly. I will say this; the line would have played better this year regardless of who was coaching them. You do not take 5 new starters, with only one being on the team the year before, and expect them to become a cohesive unit their first year. Look at the great lines from other teams and years past. The most common thing is the lines have been together for a couple years. I know Hudson Houck had 5 new starters in San Diego last year but how many were on the team the year before? He was coaching people already in his system. Great linemen usually are great for their line. How many times has a left tackle left his team for big bucks and didn’t play as well for his new team? It happens all the time. Now the second year they always seem to play better. Tony Wise made a statement last year during TC where he said “we will see how good the line will be in November†He backed off the statement the next day (probably due to pressure form the head coach) But I knew last year that the team was in trouble due to the line. Not because they are bad players, but you just can’t expect the players to come together that quickly. I think most would agree the line did play better in the second half of the year.

Now do I think Houck is a better coach than we had before??? OF COURSE but I think having the same players together for the whole year would be as important. Houck didn’t think we needed a wholesale changes so that tells me something.

I think coaching has a hellof an impact on O line players.

 

[t47c]

I think coaching has a hellof an impact on O line players.

So do I, but Tony Wise, at one time was considered a great O-line coach. I don't know exactly what happened and I am not questioning coaching.. I just am stating the longer a line plays together the better they seem to play. That was it. I think the line has to work in total sychronision (sp) to play at a max level.