Ray R
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Yes, yes yes!!!!
Official Mia/Hou Joint Practice 1 Thread.
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Ray R
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It's been my "pleasure". - LOL
The fan base is polarized to an extent, however there’s only one guy spewing his anti Tua narrative in here. It’s all he ever does. The rest are having civil discussions about what’s currently happening.
I’m a huge fan of Tua, have been since we drafted him. I just don’t like seeing (or hearing) about him throwing interceptions due to misreads or being fooled by not 1 but 3 separate defenses. His processing and reads were his strength. It’s what he needs to be a star in this league due to his physical traits.
If he was just trying difficult throws, tight windows, I’m fine with that. However, he’s not, he getting fooled. Some of them are very similar to mistakes he’s made in the past. The Eli Apple INT is a carbon copy of the one he threw to the falcons before the half in the regular season. Even the same target, Smythe.
I’m still a Tua fan and of course am rooting for him. That simply doesn’t change when the guy puts together a very uneven week, where he makes amazing throws but still prone to the wtf were you thinking throws. Imo he should be past that in year 4 and is rightfully a little concerning.
So no hate here, just objectivity.
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he is a veteran in this league that we signed as a cast off from another team.
if he is great at LG for us, that would be awesome. no complaints.
but Jones was an UDFA of ours the year before last, so i would prefer one of our own products who has put the work in becomes a starting caliber player.
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amen
TT1HamoFinFan
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Lol EVERY QB PUTS TOGETHER UNEVEN weeks……Rodgers is having an uneven week, you hear of the mess in Cleveland with Watson looking like a mess in training camp? What about Dak in Dallas having 2 or 3 ints in practices almost every day. Let’s not act like Tua is the only one throwing ints in practices……NO QB IN ANY TRAINING CAMP around the league is having perfect camps
lynx
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This is the biggest point I think, a lot of people just have no perspective of the league as a whole.
Just like in the regular season, if you only watch the Dolphins play you will never have any clue how they truly match up against the rest of the league, only who they are facing that particular week. I'm a fantasy football diehard, and because of that I watch a LOT of football during the season, and it really helps in that regard.
I will add one thing. I agree with Hoops that Tua sometimes does that look off and throws without confirming that he held the defender. I also hope he stops doing that. I just don't think it happens often and I don't think that he can't read the defense post snap. Just a bad habit that he falls into sometimes.
Finally, every QB that has ever played gets fooled at times. That "getting fooled" involves misreading, or not reading post snap. That is how they got fooled. Some INTs are bad throws. Some INTs are the result of taking calculated risks. Some INTs are bad reads. All QBs suffer from all three.
INTs happen especially when you have a qb that naturally wants to be aggressive. I've seen Peyton Manning at his peak throw 6 INTs on Monday Night Football. Unless reports are just looks lost in practice like they said that for Rosen? Not worth worrying about.
I’m sorry but society today points there finger away from themselves too often. I don’t care what Watson or Dak are doing. It doesn’t excuse Tua, nor does it even matter for Tua. You’ve missed my point, not all interceptions are created equal. The type Tua has thrown in the scrimmages, against the falcons and Texans are all mistakes he’s already made. I can find identical picks for each one in game film from the regular season.
So you might say he’s testing them out so he knows he still can’t make those throws. I say he should already know that and keep working in the efficiency the offense is and Tua’s game predicated on.
The bottom line is I don’t care if he’s testing himself in practice, that’s what practice is for. I care if he’s making the same mistakes all over again and possibly plateauing on his pre and post snap reads. That’s it.
All QBs repeat mistakes. If Tua has plateaued at leading the league in most passing metrics, sign me up for 20 years of it.
Yes sign me up for that too! However repeating those numbers, Tua can’t just do the same things. He must improve towards that Drew Brees level of processing. Otherwise defenses will adjust and those numbers will plummet. So far I’m a little concerned if he’s making enough progress in his pre and post snap reads. At least where I expected him to be in year 2. I’m not saying he won’t make the jump, just that I thought the offense would be running a little smother than it currently is.
One thing to keep in mind with any offensive issues in camp. Not only is the hunt for OL a constant one for us (and has been since we fired Sparano), but a lot of coaches focus in camp what a team doesn't do well early. I've read a lot of reports that say Tua is focusing on passes that didn't work or he didn't look to in camp.
Ray R
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I listened to Tua when he spoke to reporters after the practice today.
He talked about the interceptions and how they occurred. He talked about trying to move a defender by "looking off" the receiver, but the defender played his position based on his read of the play. Tua knew this because he had talked about it with that defender after practice was over. Tua said he learned something from that.
It sure sounds like the practices are working from the Information I can get and rely on.
TT1HamoFinFan
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This^^^^^^^^ every good qb is gonna test what they can and can’t do In practice. Tua is fortunate that he can do it against a great D everyday and this week against a D minded coach in DeMeco.