Originally posted by ckparrothead
Exactly. Thats twice now though Cranx you've taken it on yourself to scream to people what they should or should not discuss. Before you got tired of people proposing plans that included Brunell and Rivers/Henson so you started screaming at anyone who included Brunell and a first round QB in their plans just because of reports that Brunell doesn't want to go to a team with a first round QB or QB controversy. Well, with all this Washington talk, one thing is being overlooked...Ramsey is a first round QB, and not only that but presumably he'll be ready to play quicker than a first rounder we draft would be like Rivers or Henson. Gibbs has denied inquiries about Ramsey's availability in trade, he says he won't trade him.
Now you're tired of people talking about trading Ogunleye...and you've taken it upon yourself to remind people "once and for all" that we can't trade Ogunleye...even though the people that discuss trading Ogunleye are for the most part operating under the correct assumptions, and if not, aren't far from reality.
Are you so self righteous that you have to jump into everything I say in order to try to prove me wrong? It might be nice if you had something upon which to base your argument but, the fact of the matter is, you don't. I know, I know, you can't be wrong because you are the almighty, all knowing, all seeing CK ****head but, occasionally, you too make useless points that have absolutely no merits such as the one that you're trying to make on this thread.
Contrary to your assertion, "sign and trade" deals are a rather uncommon thing in the NFL where a player is not designated a franchised player and this is only because it's a requisite function of the "franchise player" system. As a RFA, the only way a player participates in a sign and trade deal is if the team looking to sign the player in question does not believe that the particular player is worth the level which the original team has tendered him, otherwise, they simply have to sign him to an offer sheet and pay the draft pick ransom assuming the original team does not decide to match the offer.
In the Ogunleye situation where there is likely to be more than one suitor for his services and there is no reason to believe that he will not draw at least a first rounder if not a first and third rounder for his services, there is absolutely no incentive whatsoever for the player to give up his ability to chose his destination by signing an offer sheet with the 'Fins. If you think otherwise your dillusional.
Additionally, the entire premise of the opening statement made in this thread is completely and 100% accurate and, therefore, your feeble minded attempts to knock it down are laughable. I clearly said that, unless Ogunleye signs a contract, Miami has no rights to him whatsoever, they only have either the right of first refusal on any contract offers made to him or the right to receive compensation for him if he's signed elsewhere; no more no less.
Finally, the reason this thread was started oh Senor High and Mighty was to debunk the notion that Ogunleye could simply be traded to anyone, at any time; he can't. Miami can no more tell Ogunleye that he has to go to Washington in exchange for Ramsey than they can tell any one of us to do the same. Should he receive no interest in the RFA market then the possibility of a sign and trade deal may increase however, at this present time-- and even into the first couple of weeks of free agency-- there is absolutely no incentive whatsoever for Ogunleye or his agent to agree to such a thing.
Once again, jump off your high horse bro and start walking around here with the rest of us.
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