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One area in which Saban doesn't seem to be like Bellichick.

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Let me preface this thread by saying that I'm not one of those guys that has this "Saban is god" attitude toward our coach. Even though he's worked with arguably the best coach in NFL history, I will wait until he's coached a couple games and won at least 1 SB before I put him on such a high level. On the other hand, I have been very pleased with the offseason and pretty much every move that has been made.

Now let me get to the point. 1 of the many things that people praise about the Pats is how smart they are. They rave about how the Pats have the most amount of college graduates. If this is a requirement of the "Bellichick" type player and according to some Saban follows the same type of system, then why do we go after players like Wright,Vickerson, and to a lesser extent Berlin? Now I know Saban has only had 1 offseason to remake this roster and I'm sure he's brought in some smart players but why would you waste draft picks on guys that don't meet one of your requirements?
 
well he sees promise in them i suppose. I mean, honestly, if a player can play, and help you win ball games, then you have to put away your pride. Not to mention, i really believe that saban thinks he can change people. that may be a bad thing, but i couldn't care less. Im just glad hes making moves, and isn't afraid to fail.
 
phinfan2003 said:
but why would you waste draft picks on guys that don't meet one of your requirements?
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Maybe that's not one of his requirements. He and Bellichick may be simialr in alot of ways, but they aren't the same person with all the same requirements.
 
I don't think Saban feels as beholden as Belichick to add nothing but high quality characters to his roster. Remember, Huizenga gave Saban a blank check. Kraft never gave Belichick the same blank check, at least not at first. Kraft told Belichick that if I have to hire pay a bunch of thugs and criminals in order to win in this business, I don't want to be in this business.

Huizenga said that to Wannstedt, but he never said that to Saban. I think he was too worried that Saban might turn him down if it looked like Wayne was too overbearing. I suspect Wayne will have that conversation with Saban in a year or so.

But keep in mind that much will be made of Saban's booting McMichael next year when his contract runs out and we don't make any intensive efforts to keep him. We will be franchising him and trading him off to a team that wants him, and if nobody trades for him, we'd let him play a year on the franchise tender...which isn't very high for tight ends usually. When McMichael gets the boot, the reactionaries can do plenty of hootin and hollerin about how Saban doesn't accept players who beat on women blah blah blah.
 
BTW one requirement of playing on Saban's defense is definitely being smart. Not necessary at defensive tackle where we picked up Manny Wright, but at any defensive end/linebacker or safety position a guy has to be really bright. Crowder had an awesome GPA and a 30+ wonderlic. But, just because he left school early (with those knees why wouldn't he?) he's not counted among the coveted belichick college grads.
 
I think Saban is going to be a great coach but you have to be prepared for the possibility of some type of learning curve.

BB has coached a long time in the NFL ('74 or so). Saban will undoubtedly benefit from being friends with BB but he'll probably take his lumps as well. The question is whether the Dolphins organization is prepared to be patient with him.

Having said that, I really feel there is a strong possibility that Gus Frerotte can be the next Rich Gannon (late career success) and if he is, the Dolphins should contend for the Wild Card.

As for Feeley.......Sorry but I think he sucks. If Saban sticks with him for too long, it'll be another long year.
 
I'm just hoping that Gus Frerotte becomes the next Gus Frerotte, and merely plays like he did in Washington before he head-banged himself out of a job there. I'll be satisfied with just that much, until we find better.
 
In my opinion, I think Saban looks at things through a different perspective. Let's take Berlin for example. Almost everybody is willing to write Berlin off. But something tells me Saban sees something we don't. We may look at Berlin and see camp fodder, but he might look at Berlin and think "Maybe with the right kind of coaching and teaching......"


That's just my humble opinion.
 
Silverphin said:
In my opinion, I think Saban looks at things through a different perspective. Let's take Berlin for example. Almost everybody is willing to write Berlin off. But something tells me Saban sees something we don't. We may look at Berlin and see camp fodder, but he might look at Berlin and think "Maybe with the right kind of coaching and teaching......"


That's just my humble opinion.
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SSSHHHHHHHH were trying to keep some secrets here.
 
Are "the most amount of college graduates" playing D-line for New England??

Are they undrafted free agents??
 
inFINSible said:
Are "the most amount of college graduates" playing D-line for New England??

Are they undrafted free agents??
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I'm a little confused by what your asking here. The pats DLine consists of Seymour, McGinest, and Wilfork all 1st round draft choices.
 
phinfan2003 said:
I'm a little confused by what your asking here. The pats DLine consists of Seymour, McGinest, and Wilfork all 1st round draft choices.
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And are they all college graduates??

Your examples from Miami which focused on D-line and to a lesser extent an undrafted free agent, were compared to the entire New Englnad team.

I just want to know, how many of New England's "college graduates" play D-line or were UDFAs??

What I'm betting is that they don't play on the D-line, where smarts aren't a prerequisite, and that there aren't many UDFAs counted in with those "college graduates".

I'd have to see how many players on both teams are college graduates to even begin to question what you're implying. With the limited amount of information that you are supplying, it's impossible to say whether you are right or wrong.
 
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