One point people aren't looking at...

[GRYPHONK]

im just telling ya what Muller said. If his facts are wrong then so be it. But he made it very clear that if Ricky returns that $8.6 mill almost goes away.

And his returning doesn't mean he has to put out any effort at all. If Miami accepts his return, it doesn't mean Ricky has to try. It just means he has to show up.

LOL, I am not laughing at you MIKEO but at Randy Mueller.

He is so far off on this one he has no clue.

First off all, whether he comes back or not he still violated the contract which stated that if he retired early he will owe the money.

The clause did not state if you retire early you owe money. But if you decide to come back a year later all is forgiven and you indeed lived up to the contract.

Think of it like a credit card. You can't go buying things then quickly cancel the card. Reopen it and not expect to pay the fees.

I also find it funny that when Mortensen and Clayton both talk about taking Williams back, they have both stated numerous times that he needs to come back because how else would he pay back the money?

He broke his contract plain and simple. Rany Mueller is way off on this one

Mueller is right that Williams can come back and collect a paychech but do nothing. However, he will still owe the money.

It is up the the Phins if and how much they want Ricky Williams to pay back.

 

[Lazy1]

If ricky comes back Mike0 is right he doesnt have to pay the debt... but who cares? It's not like Miami could use that as salary or anything. That money is going straight to the NFL and the front office people... has no effect on the Miami dolphins as an organization far as salary cap for the future just wayne wanted some money back.

 

[fins1]

That Randy Muller brought up on ESPN Radio today when talking about Ricky.

If Ricky shows up, just shows up, is "clean" and passes drug tests, then that $8.6 mill goes away.By Miami taking him back they are removing that debt over his head. Doesn't matter if he plays, doesn't matter if he tries hard, doesn't matter if he is even good or puts out an effort. The debt is gone!

So, if Saban cuts him, the debt is gone. If Saban doesn't play him, the debt is gone. If Ricky just "SHOWS UP" and doesn't go AWOL, the debt is gone!

All Ricky has to do is show up. Doesn't matter if he weights 195 lbs, 220 lbs, or whatever. Doesn't matter if he plays or doesn't. Doesn't matter what he weighs. Doesn't matter if he even cares or tries hard.

Randy brought up he doesn't understand what the heck Miami is doing and doesn't understand why they just don't take the money and be done with Ricky.

Wrong, Ricky still owes the Dolphins 8.6 mil. What kind of deal is worked out is up to the Dolphins. You think they are going to pay him 8.6 mil this year. The judgement against Ricky has nothing to do with playing ball again.

 

[Predaphin]

That Randy Muller brought up on ESPN Radio today when talking about Ricky.

If Ricky shows up, just shows up, is "clean" and passes drug tests, then that $8.6 mill goes away.By Miami taking him back they are removing that debt over his head. Doesn't matter if he plays, doesn't matter if he tries hard, doesn't matter if he is even good or puts out an effort. The debt is gone!

So, if Saban cuts him, the debt is gone. If Saban doesn't play him, the debt is gone. If Ricky just "SHOWS UP" and doesn't go AWOL, the debt is gone!

All Ricky has to do is show up. Doesn't matter if he weights 195 lbs, 220 lbs, or whatever. Doesn't matter if he plays or doesn't. Doesn't matter what he weighs. Doesn't matter if he even cares or tries hard.

Randy brought up he doesn't understand what the heck Miami is doing and doesn't understand why they just don't take the money and be done with Ricky.

Another point RANDY MUELLER is not looking at is....

What do we get by him owing the $8.6??? Maybe Huizenga will benefit, but it's not like we get in in cap money or anything...I'd rather he be on the field, if he doesn;t put an effort he's risking his health out there.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

im just telling ya what Muller said. If his facts are wrong then so be it. But he made it very clear that if Ricky returns that $8.6 mill almost goes away.

And his returning doesn't mean he has to put out any effort at all. If Miami accepts his return, it doesn't mean Ricky has to try. It just means he has to show up.

Pretty sure that Mueller is wrong on this one. The Dolphins may decide to forget about the money, but it IS the Dolphin's choice to make.

 

[Schleprock]

If ricky comes back Mike0 is right he doesnt have to pay the debt... but who cares? It's not like Miami could use that as salary or anything. That money is going straight to the NFL and the front office people... has no effect on the Miami dolphins as an organization far as salary cap for the future just wayne wanted some money back.

so you're a lawyer who handles contractual litigation with the federal system?



And anyone who thinks Wanny had NOTHING to do with RW quitting hasn't paid much attention to past teammates.

 

[WitheringPlant]

That Randy Muller brought up on ESPN Radio today when talking about Ricky.

If Ricky shows up, just shows up, is "clean" and passes drug tests, then that $8.6 mill goes away.By Miami taking him back they are removing that debt over his head. Doesn't matter if he plays, doesn't matter if he tries hard, doesn't matter if he is even good or puts out an effort. The debt is gone!

So, if Saban cuts him, the debt is gone. If Saban doesn't play him, the debt is gone. If Ricky just "SHOWS UP" and doesn't go AWOL, the debt is gone!

All Ricky has to do is show up. Doesn't matter if he weights 195 lbs, 220 lbs, or whatever. Doesn't matter if he plays or doesn't. Doesn't matter what he weighs. Doesn't matter if he even cares or tries hard.

Randy brought up he doesn't understand what the heck Miami is doing and doesn't understand why they just don't take the money and be done with Ricky.

After the amount of threads about Ricky there is NOTHING we aren't looking at. This isn't anything new. Also, it isn't like Ricky was ever going to pay back the debt, he had no way to.

 

[dolfanmark]

From ESPN's John Clayton:

Q: If he returns, will he still owe the Dolphins $8.6 million?
A: That's up to the Dolphins. The courts have ruled he owes the Dolphins the money. But the Dolphins aren't as interested in collecting all of the money. A good portion of the $8.6 million was paid by the Saints, but Williams breached the contract by not showing up last season and left himself vulnerable to paying everything back, including the incentives he earned for the Dolphins in previous years. The best guess is that if Williams stays with the Dolphins for the entire season, they would only force him to pay a couple of million dollars for time missed in 2004. Believe me, though, none of this has been discussed. Getting Williams to camp is challenging enough. Though the money issues are reasonably clear, that's not the priority for the Dolphins right now.

Q: Does the last year count on his contract, or is his deal extended a year further?
A: His contract stands as it was in 2004. Williams had three years remaining on his contract. He still has three years on his contract, meaning he's Dolphins property through 2007. This might come as a surprise, but there is a big question about the salary. His base salary under his contract should be $3.735 million, but he might only be eligible for a base salary of $540,000, the NFL minimum. One of the provisions of his contract was that if he breached the deal, as he did, his base salary would revert to the levels it was at under his deal with the Saints, which was the NFL minimum every year. If the Dolphins contend Williams should be at the minimum, he could file a grievance and fight for the bigger base salary. That would have to be settled later. But to be honest, that's a detail that isn't a priority at the moment. Williams contends he should have the $3.735 million salary. It's up to the Dolphins to push for their right to put the base salary at the minimum.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2066686

My guess is that the Fins compromise a little, and let the $8.6M slide if Ricky agrees to play for the league minimum, and actually makes it through the year without getting suspended.

 

[DolfanISS]

That Randy Muller brought up on ESPN Radio today when talking about Ricky.

If Ricky shows up, just shows up, is "clean" and passes drug tests, then that $8.6 mill goes away.By Miami taking him back they are removing that debt over his head. Doesn't matter if he plays, doesn't matter if he tries hard, doesn't matter if he is even good or puts out an effort. The debt is gone!

So, if Saban cuts him, the debt is gone. If Saban doesn't play him, the debt is gone. If Ricky just "SHOWS UP" and doesn't go AWOL, the debt is gone!

All Ricky has to do is show up. Doesn't matter if he weights 195 lbs, 220 lbs, or whatever. Doesn't matter if he plays or doesn't. Doesn't matter what he weighs. Doesn't matter if he even cares or tries hard.

Randy brought up he doesn't understand what the heck Miami is doing and doesn't understand why they just don't take the money and be done with Ricky.

Well if Ricky works for the Miami Dolphins they can surely make his life a liitle uncomfortble if they'd like to. They could use him on special teams or allocate him to NFL Europe. I doubt the Miami brass will sign anything that says if Ricky returns the debt is erased. I'm 100% confident that this will be a complex contract that will be filled with protective clauses for the Dolphins.

 

[kbeath]

Mike O are you slow. "He hasn't been wrong yet." Muller must have been fantastic the Saints have sucked my whole life so i am sure they sucked while he was there. If he was knockin down great moves and never making a wrong one I am sure that they would be a bit better.

 

[motioncityhifi]

i dont hold what mueller has to say with much regard. instead of being a GM right now he is commentating.

 

[GatorChris]

Ricky walked away once to go smoke weed! What makes you think he will try hard?

Plus Randy has good insight on Ricky as he was the one who drafted Deuce and got Ricky out of town in New Orleans. Im gonna take Randy's judgement when it comes to Ricky. He hasn't been wrong yet.

Randy also has an axe to grind with the Dolphins. He has questioned everything we've done since turning him down for the GM position.

 

[Boik14]

miami never would have taken that money. It would have severed all ties with RW. If you want to say maybe they would have taken it 10 years from now the statute of limitations would have expired. Its a lose-lose. Lose all ties with the player by taking the money or lose all ties with the $ by accepting him back. No one missed that point, it just holds no weight

 

[FinFan57]

It's really a moot point for several reasons.

1) Ricky could easily weasel out of paying the $8.6 milion back by filing bankruptcy (or other legal maneuvers) if he wanted to. Do you think OJ has paid back the multi-million dollar junction he incurred in California?

2) As stated, New Orleans has already paid out a huge chunk of that money, Huizenga could care less, and it certainly has nothing to do with us fans.

3) Mueller is the guy who engineered the Ricky trade with New Orleans. Believe me, he is not a Ricky fan. It cracks his eggs that Ricky may actually come back and show up his boy Deuce McAllister (Ricky's replacement) and make Mueller look like a butthole.

4) I think we should all chalk up Ricky's issues to the Wanny era. Time to let go and see if Ricky can do something for us. Really, what possible satisfaction can we get except to see Ricky helping our Dolphins?

 

[Boik14]

Also hes not getting away with anything. he essentially reduced his own salary if you read the article on the front page. heres the excerpt:

However, there is a big question about the salary. His base salary under his contract should be $3.735 million, but he might only be eligible for a base salary of $540,000, the NFL minimum. One of the provisions of his contract was that if he breached the deal, as he did, his base salary would revert to the levels it was at under his deal with the Saints, which was the NFL minimum every year. If the Dolphins contend Williams should be at the minimum, he could file a grievance and fight for the bigger base salary. That would have to be settled later.