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Only fair to give AJ the start

To Nick Saban

Please name a starter to make this place a better one. After a week of whinning by the backer of the loser to the job, this place can get back to normal, at least until the first game! :rolleyes:
 
adamprez2003 said:
eddie4fins comments regarding AJ must be taken with a grain of salt (and a shot of tequila). He constantly refers to AJ as a 3rd string QB, NOT A 2ND, but a 3rd.
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AJ was listed as the 3rd string QB in Philly, so Eddie isn't very far off.
 
Dolphinlife said:
Im from western pa and so is Frerrote but the bottom line is AJ was impressive Frerrote was not. It see saws back and forth. I think AJ starts and the coaches evaluate this performance along with the rest in the preseason to form a starter for qb oh and oline and then they start them in final preseason game and on to the regular season. Bottom line is right now there is no way either qb has earned the job. So since Frerrote started last week against the Steel City and all the pain they bring opposing qbs we have to start Feeley
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:fire: You know what? Just the TITLE of your thread makes me wanna friggin THROW UP!!!:fire: Only FAIR to give AJ the START?? Who the H3LL are you? Dave WANNSTEDT?! Gimme a f#@%ing break! Gus isn't superman, but he sure doesn't play as DISGUSTING as AJ. Feeley should be in Canada or some place like that. Should be NOWHERE NEAR A STARTING JOB! For the rest of his LIFE!
 
arsenal said:
same **** that happened to AJ after the first game, he had dropped passes, a blown up screen that he threw it into a linemans back (people said he had no pocket awareness from this play?), he got sacked after his arm was hit and he stepped up in the pocket yet it was his fault, then gus came in against 2nd stringers and had mostly dump offs and WR screens to boston, had a lucky play where a safety missed a sack then tossed up a dead duck that luckily chambers was able to get to around 3 defenders, then a ball slips out of his hands and ends up a TD and everyones excited cause his numbers looked better...

it goes both ways, people just look at stats, they dont care about the actual individual play...
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I disagree whole-heartedly that AJ's Bears game was similar to Gus's Pitt game. We can sit here all day and argue this because that was almost 3 weeks ago and who'll remember it accurately. But as my evidence, AJ's simple fact that he has had no pocket presence EVER since he got here, and always looks jittery, is reason enough alone to put him behind Gus. Gus may not have connected on passes but he exudes the verbal and non-verbal cues of a leader. Last year players said Jay had this over AJ...now this year they say Gus has it over AJ...what's that tell you. He screws up but doesnt' screw up in the sense that he looks like he is scared or making bonehead plays.

I don't see how anyone can argue against this info: When AJ takes the snap and is dropping back to pass you can sense he is uneasy or "hyper". He is just looking to get that ball as fast as he can to the #1 receiver on that pass play. When that doesn't happen right away you can see him panic...which will cause him to force the throw or just turn and toss it to a drop off route. Anything that allows him to get rid of the responsibility with the ball to take pressure off him for that single play.
 
It's sickening to think we gave up a 2nd round pick for a 3rd string Q.B., but there it is.

Also, sickening to think we coulda had Drew Brees once upon a time.

Only fair to give AJ the start?? PUHLEEESE!!
 
Schleprock said:
I disagree whole-heartedly that AJ's Bears game was similar to Gus's Pitt game. We can sit here all day and argue this because that was almost 3 weeks ago and who'll remember it accurately. But as my evidence, AJ's simple fact that he has had no pocket presence EVER since he got here, and always looks jittery, is reason enough alone to put him behind Gus. Gus may not have connected on passes but he exudes the verbal and non-verbal cues of a leader. Last year players said Jay had this over AJ...now this year they say Gus has it over AJ...what's that tell you. He screws up but doesnt' screw up in the sense that he looks like he is scared or making bonehead plays.

I don't see how anyone can argue against this info: When AJ takes the snap and is dropping back to pass you can sense he is uneasy or "hyper". He is just looking to get that ball as fast as he can to the #1 receiver on that pass play. When that doesn't happen right away you can see him panic...which will cause him to force the throw or just turn and toss it to a drop off route. Anything that allows him to get rid of the responsibility with the ball to take pressure off him for that single play.
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ok he might have happy feet in the pocket when the pocket breaks down, but what inexperienced QB doesnt, especially behind a horrible oline? when he has protection he looks fine in the pocket, he'll go through reads and he'll make a nice throw... id still rather him than gus who has zero accuracy regardless of the time in the pocket and locks onto targets just as much as AJ...

also about the bears game you can disagree all you want, but i watched it numberous times, and thats the way it was, gus had maybe 2 good passes, the deep one to chambers was a horrid throw, yes it was complete and a good play for us, but the throw was bad, after he stared at chambers like a chained starving dog staring at a juicy steak, he didn't even see the safety about to sack his *** (some awareness) and when the guy whiffed he just tossed it up to chambers since he had ZERO idea what was going on anywhere else on the field, chambers has 3 guys around him but luckily makes a nice play... after that hes sacked twice and the drive is done against the first stringers... then next time out against 2nd stringers, he runs about 3 WR screens to boston, short patterns to mcmike and then the ball slips out of his hand and ends up to gilmore for a TD... thats not a good game to me regardless of the stats...

it just amazes me the unfairness AJ gets from some people, when gus has better numbers but for stupiid reasons (ball slips out of his hand for TD, short WR screens) hes praised... AJ has decent number and gus does worse, the excuses come out for gus but AJ still sucks...

then it makes me seem like a feeley homer cause i just want a fair fight, yet the bias runs rampant...
 
Schleprock said:
I watched the game today finally. Frerotte went 7/18 , half of those were at least 15+ yard passes. His long was 42 yards. First pass long to Chambers was perfect because he left it short for him to come back to and CC dropped it, 3 drops by McMike, 2 drops by Booker (the 1 lob looked like pass interference by Townsend), 1 drop by Morris, 1 intentional throw at Ricky's feet that was a good play because the screen was blown up, and 1 nice pass down the sideline in the 2nd qrt. that Chambers caught but couldn't get the second foot in. So that makes a total of 2 passes Frerotte threw that were truly bad.

The first fumble was not his fault, he never had time nor saw it coming, second one was.

Feeley was something like 16/20 with about 12 of those being dump offs in the flat. His long was 12 yards.

I failed to see why everyone has been crying so much about Frerotte since Friday. I think I know why, it's because they are looking at the paper stats and not what actually went on. There was a big difference between the Steelers #1 D that Gus saw and the #2's who were in by the time AJ got in there late in the 2nd.
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arsenal said:
it just amazes me the unfairness AJ gets from some people, when gus has better numbers but for stupiid reasons (ball slips out of his hand for TD, short WR screens) hes praised... AJ has decent number and gus does worse, the excuses come out for gus but AJ still sucks...

then it makes me seem like a feeley homer cause i just want a fair fight, yet the bias runs rampant...
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This is what makes me want to pull my hair out on all these type of threads. Feeley is going into his 5TH YEAR. He has started approx. 15 games in that career. He went through an entire offseason and minicamp twice with us alone, plus one full season where he started a majority of games. Inadequate game experience is NO EXCUSE for him. Nor do I want to hear the new offensive philosophy as well, because he is still showing the same basic problems that he had in the other offense. Back this all up by a college career that wasn't your typical spectacular one, so you cannot even say at anytime in his career he was accomplished.

Gus is no long term or quality player, but he has accomplished more in his career than AJ and AJ has had enough time by now in the professional league to show whether he is going to be worth anything. People cannot accept this though.

As for Gus being more inaccurate...how do you figure? The ball comes out cleaner and with more arc than AJs and I have yet to see a long through that wasn't in an area that was completely uncatchable. Fiedler and AJ on the other hand seem to love to air mail the ball long which leads to INTs

Finally, in all seriousness, I don't dislike AJ or like Gus. I wanted AJ to start last year for the same reason I want Gus to start this year. Last year (and even those before) we knew Fiedler wasn't going to cut it and we had seen ENOUGH! So AJ was appropriate to start to see if we can move on. Well, in last season and this camp/preseason so far that is time to see AJ doesn't realy have the "it" factor either. I just don't think AJ is a good QB, everytime he drops back he gives the feeling just like Jay did: lot of heart, but not enough skill and makes plays that kill us. Gus isn't great either, but I don't fear him everytime he takes a snap.
 
so you think his 13 games starting experience is enough to fully evaluate a QB? especially when 8 of them were on our miami team of last year?

did you not hear saban say something recently, that its difficult to evaluate a QB or RB or anything offensivly if your line doesn't give any time? and was last years line not one of the worst youve ever seen?

maybe youve done the full scouting on feeley and know hes a waste, but obviously some NFL people dont think so, and me personally i dont know, thats why i want him in there, WE DONT KNOW, with gus we know everything he can do and will do... with AJ we dont because really 13 games starting experience isn't much to go off of, especially when most of them were in a disaster of a situation
 
The sooner we all realize that we have two backup QB's fighting for the starting job, the better off we will all be!

THEY ARE BOTH BACKUPS!!!!!!!!!! WE NEED A QB!!!!

I have never really thought AJ has the head to be a QB, and I always thought Gus was a backup. I'm at the point that I wish Saban would just name one the starter and so be it! Does it really matter? The backup to the backup will play anyway, no way our backup starter lasts the season with the O-line anyway!
 
i agree gus we know is a career backup, because we've seen him play and seen what he can do, and as of now AJ looks like one also, but so did brees in SD, so did dehlomme in NO, etc... only way they got better was by gaining experience, or being given a fair chance like dehlomme did in car...

what im saying is that yes as of now they both jus tlook like backups and most likely will never be viable starting QBs, but with AJs inexperience, he can still grow, and maybe he cna grow into something good... most likely not, but with him and gus about even now, at least take that gamble to see if he does grow...

but im done with this arguement ive said it 982u340981253 times on this board
 
arsenal said:
maybe youve done the full scouting on feeley and know hes a waste, but obviously some NFL people dont think so, and me personally i dont know, thats why i want him in there, WE DONT KNOW, with gus we know everything he can do and will do... with AJ we dont because really 13 games starting experience isn't much to go off of, especially when most of them were in a disaster of a situation
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We're going on his 5th year in the league, period! You don't even need games started to make the call. If you still think he is being scouted or hiding that hidden talent to be a good #1 man, then perhaps all you people with this type of logic should inform other teams in the league. Not to mention tell AJ it is time to show that talent.
 
arsenal said:
i agree gus we know is a career backup, because we've seen him play and seen what he can do, and as of now AJ looks like one also, but so did brees in SD, so did dehlomme in NO, etc... only way they got better was by gaining experience, or being given a fair chance like dehlomme did in car...

what im saying is that yes as of now they both jus tlook like backups and most likely will never be viable starting QBs, but with AJs inexperience, he can still grow, and maybe he cna grow into something good... most likely not, but with him and gus about even now, at least take that gamble to see if he does grow...

but im done with this arguement ive said it 982u340981253 times on this board
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I'm at the point I really don't care who starts, I just want one to be named! Because you know what will happen! The first game whomever starts, if they have a bad game, all the posts here will be as follows. (Well, so-and so did not get to work with the first team so much, so and so needs time to jell with the 1st unit!) It will be Fiedler and Feeley all over again in these posts! :shakeno:
 
Give me a break! It seems that some Finheaveners seem to think that they have a better handle on talent scouting and depth charts than do the people hired to do that job. I do believe, and I just may be wrong on this one, that the coaches have seen a little more of all of the players on the team than anyone that will ever, and I mean EVER post on here. I say shut the pie hole, quit your pipe dream, and let the coach make the decision. The players all want Gus as the starter. That says enough right there. I do feel AJ has tools! He just needs to read the users manual. He needs time, Gus needs time, and the simple fact is that in practice, Gus has a better comand of the scheme. There is no real scheme for these pre-season games. Saban is trying to keep things under wrap. If in weeks 1,2,3, there is no real improvements in the qb play, then it is time to give AJ his shot. Or Sage. I do not doubt thtat Sage may be ahead of AJ. Just give the job to whom ever deserves it.
 
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