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greasyObnoxious said:
4-3 against playoff teams in 2013 (4-1 vs. AFC playoff teams) :kick:
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4-4. Split with Patriots. Not exactly inspiring stuff. One could make a case for the record against AFC playoff teams, unfortunately the AFC was remarkably weak this past year. Still, I will give it to him.

How about 2012?


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roy_miami said:
You see? You were doing well but you guys can't help but to embellish. Show me evidence Philbin had the power to force Ireland to do anything.



And as for the other points none of them are evidence Philbin is mediocre at best, they can all be countered by several examples of coaches overcoming similar deficiencies to go on to win Superbowls, and you don't have to look any further than the latest SB winning head coach to see one example.
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Carroll lost the last two games of the season with the playoffs on the line vs two bad division opponents, one QBed by Thad freaking Lewis?? While finding a way to score a whopping 7 pts in 8 quarters?? Where was I when this happened?
 
SkapePhin said:
Unvarnished facts on Philbin:
- 15-17 overall win loss record
- 4-8 vs the division
- Sparano had higher scoring offenses than Philbin has at any point during his tenure
- experienced several mid game collapses where the team lost huge leads to lose the game
- 0-2 vs Thad Lewis-led teams
- appointed Incognito as a leader
- didn't follow up with a mentally unstable starter which ultimately ended in scandal
- collapsed in final 2 games with playoffs on the line against non-playoff teams and division foes
- forced the trade of several productive players due to personality conflicts

I am trying to look for positive facts/statistics, but I am having trouble finding any. One positive I can recall that he did a decent job of recovering from the scandal after the TB loss, but that was all wasted in last two games.

Can anyone post the team's win/loss record against playoff teams over the past 2 seasons?


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2-5 in 2012 year and 4-3 last year. 6-8 overall against playoff teams.

Only 9-9 against non-playoff teams. That needs to improve. Cant lose to Buffalo twice.
 
Geforce said:
The players voted Incognito to the leadership council. Just as they did with Wake and Tannehill.
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And Philbin allowed it even knowing this "leader" stuck a golf club up a female volunteers vagina... And was apparently oblivious to the fact he was holding player meetings at strip clubs.


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SkapePhin said:
4-4. Split with Patriots. Not exactly inspiring stuff. One could make a case for the record against AFC playoff teams, unfortunately the AFC was remarkably weak this past year. Still, I will give it to him.

How about 2012?


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who's the 4th loss? New England, New Orleans, Carolina and?
2012 was 1-5 i believe. could be wrong
 
Fins1971 said:
2-5 in 2012 year and 4-3 last year. 6-8 overall against playoff teams.

Only 9-9 against non-playoff teams. That needs to improve. Cant lose to Buffalo twice.
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Isn't it 4-4 last year? That would make it 6-9 overall. Coupled with a .500 record against non-playoff teams, that isn't exactly championship material.

None of the data gives anyone any tangible evidence to support a theory that Philbin will become some great coach. Yet people yell at me for calling him mediocre? All the data says he is just that... Mediocre.


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greasyObnoxious said:
who's the 4th loss? New England, New Orleans, Carolina and?
2012 was 1-5 i believe. could be wrong
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Ah my bad, Baltimore lost out. You are right, 4-3.


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greasyObnoxious said:
who's the 4th loss? New England, New Orleans, Carolina and?
2012 was 1-5 i believe. could be wrong
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believe 2 wins in 2012 Bengals and Seattle..but rest is ugly. I counted the Ravens also for 2013 just seems like they are there even when they are not!
 
4-3 last year against playoff teams is acceptable. Going 4-5 against non-playoff teams is the main issue. You aren't going to surpass the patriots doing that.
 
SkapePhin said:
And Philbin allowed it even knowing this "leader" stuck a golf club up a female volunteers vagina... And was apparently oblivious to the fact he was holding player meetings at strip clubs.


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If Philbin had told the players to choose someone else, you would have been bitching about the coach not letting the players choose whom they want for the leader council.
 
SkapePhin said:
I am open to hearing a counterpoint.
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Lets consider the following for the 2013 season:

-A team record of 58 sacks surrendered
-We had the 21st ranked defense
-Mike Sherman calling plays
-A 2nd year QB still going through growing pains
-We lose our starting TE in preseason
-We lose 2 starting OL during the season
-Bullygate distraction
-Phillip Wheeler
-One of the worst drafts in recent Dolphins history by Ireland
-The 8th most difficult strength of schedule
-Injury to our best defensive player in Cam Wake

When considering all of these points, coupled with the glaring personnel deficiencies all over our roster, how can you not be amazed that we went 8-8? We were a 5 or 6 win team last year that managed 8 wins, but you are acting like we were a 12 win team that underachieved with 8 wins.
 
Patriots were only 2-2 against playoff team in the regular season last year. But they were 10-2 against non-playoff teams
You have to win the gimme's
 
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