Palm Beach Post has source that says same as Omar
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It implicates the coaching staff in the sense that they had an employee who was flat out unfit for the workplace and tried to fit him in, instead of figuring out how to let him walk away from it, or trying to get him help.
I don't think Jonathan Martin could EVER fit into an NFL locker room, but at some point, somebody had to ****in see that.
BTW, I think this leak is coming from Steve Ross, because this is a club source taking up for Incognito and Pouncey, and throwing Joe under the bus. Perhaps Mr. Ross is trying to salvage the organization and its reputation with players under contract and around the league. If so, I applaud him.
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One could certainly make the argument that given Incognito's track record, the coaching staff was guilty of bad judgement in asking Incognito to toughen up anyone.
Worked with Egnew that we know of. Kid looked lost on hard knocks last year and is hitting with a purpose much better this year.
Maybe the coaches saw that but also saw a glimmer of hope for the kids career and rather than destroy it tried to bolster it.......now he is destroying theirs. Oh the irony.
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He was bullied on hard knocks by his coach and it so far has helped in make the 53.
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Here is what is ironic...the coaches just wanted the best for Martin and were trying to help him achieve his best...in the end, the staff gets tossed out. Too much of political hailstorm to for them to survive.
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I think Scott Pioli nailed it when he said if Incognito's a leader in your locker room then your locker room has a leadership problem. We needed better people to step up and assume that role.
This accentuates everything these days that should be handled in-house. It's sickening.
It sounds like Philbin and the staff went to Incognito and asked him to push Martin. Mistake one. It sounds like Incognito tried to treat Martin the way he treats Pouncey. Mistake two. And for the record, as a reminder....Cog treating Martin, a quiet Stanford graduate with educated lawyer parents the same as Mike "Free Hernandez" Pouncey, is just downright stupid. And it sounds like Philbin never followed up with Incognito or Martin. Mistake three. In the end, we have a guard, who is a well known DB league wide. Time to let him go. And we have a tackle, who will probably never get it. Time to move on. We have a coach with questionable decision-making(not just this, but Clabo, not playing Dion Jordan, shoelaces, notecards, the list goes on)...let him play out the year and send him packing. We have a GM thats weak(hey, he paid for the DB nobody wants, and drafted a tackle that may be a great kid, but isn't mentally NFL-ready in the second round, and Clabo and 15 mil for Wallace...and that list goes on and on and on)....definitely time to let him go. The only question with Ireland is whether the teams better off dumping him now or waiting until the end of the year.
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Do you think even Martin knew this would blow up to this degree? I actually think he is somewhat blindsided by the media reaction as well. No chance he thought this would lead national news coverage on CNn for several days.
If he was suicidal before, I could see this pushing him over he edge once he sees how much his miscalculated approach to dealing with the issue damaged innocent people's lives, including the rest of the players and coaches who will lose games and jobs over this...
If he was suicidal before, I could see this pushing him over he edge once he sees how much his miscalculated approach to dealing with the issue damaged innocent people's lives, including the rest of the players and coaches who will lose games and jobs over this...
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Very true, but Philbin got rid of all the leaders from last year (Dansby, Long, Bush). So in a sense Philbin hurt this team by trying to mold it to HIS identity.
Handling things inhouse sounds nice, but in the day of 24-hour news cycles.....if your going to handle it in-house, you best make damn sure that all parties are of the 'handle it in-house' variety. You have to know what the other party is capable of handling. This was the mistake of Philbin AND Incognito.
I agree with this. I think Martin thought it would get the coaches attention, and that it would cause them to get Incognito off his back and that he wouldn't continue to be extorted. I got the impression he intended to continue playing football, so I don't believe he thought it would become national like this.
But, much like when Ross made the mistake of interviewing Harbaugh without firing Sparano first, the action was taken without taking into account the media glare that comes with all things professional sports these days.
But, much like when Ross made the mistake of interviewing Harbaugh without firing Sparano first, the action was taken without taking into account the media glare that comes with all things professional sports these days.