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They'll drop him after week one after they use him to learn our defensive sets. Pretty valuable for Brady to know the coverage based on his intel. Bellicheat will always cheat.
 
I would bet Bellicheck does this every year regarding their first opponent (not bothering to look it up). Especially if there is a new coach involved. It won't make a difference if the Dolphins execute the game plan, but it does eliminate the surprise factor. Personally, I don't think it passes the smell test.

Bellicheat wins the division because he coaches to wins these games...he regards division games as must win, not splits, but must win 2 against the Jets, Fins and Bills...that's what gets you in the playoffs. His team is prepared to win after the bye and game 1 as well. Shula did this, not so much in Finsland since.

That said, Brady makes him but paired with another master on the field such as Brady, he's lethal in the big ones more often than not. Like I said, you win the division, you get a shot at the big one. You lose, you look forward to the draft.
 
Couple of problems with this..
No one is "crying." Do you cry when the pats always beat us? Wanna do something about it? Maybe we do the same LEGAL thing the pats do. You really think that's crying?
Secondly, who is craping on DJ? Is there a thread on that?
Thirdly, Who said DJ is dumb? You make the claim that "People" say that.
Maybe I'm just a more passionte fan, maybe not, but I want my team to do all the LEGAL things they can to beat the pats. Why don't you?

Look, Belicheat is one of my least favorite humans. I have no love or respect for the man. As a coach, however, he's a winner. Does he cheat? Without question he cheated in the Pats most dominant years, compiling reams of illegal tape on opposing teams -- so much in fact that the commish had to destroy it in order to save the integrity of the league (in his mind). If the full scope of the cheating had been independently reviewed and released to the public (according to sunshine laws) it could have majorly hurt the game. Belicheat is a masterful cheater and a cunning coach. He knows how to cut throats and he knows how to win. And he will NEVER be held accountable for such things as cheating and coddling killers on his team. Philbin almost lost his job because of a sissy olineman crying false charges of racism and bullying. Belicheat never would have been touched by a single shred of such a scandal. He would have stood there, stared in the cameras, answered nothing, and the media would have swallowed it. Different standard? No question.

That said, what he is doing picking up players before games is NOT cheating. It seems underhanded yes. But it's legal.

My point is that the whining about this re: Don Jones should stop. Jones has been mocked as a meaningless player and called dumb, yes. If he's such a meaningless player w. no talent and no upside, why mourn the fact that Belicheat picked him up?

It's LEGAL. and only someone who fears that Jones can hurt the team would whine about it.

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It's LEGAL. and only someone who fears that Jones can hurt the team would whine about it.

What makes you think its legal?

The Colts got Andrew Luck. There is suspicion that they manipulated their way to that, but without evidence you can't say they did anything illegal. Now, if an email was leaked that proved Irsay did in fact make an attempt to get Luck then what he did would become illegal. Being able to get away with something does not mean its legal and until I see the specific wording of the rules I'm going to continue to believe what Belichick is doing is most definitely illegal.
 
What makes you think its legal?

The Colts got Andrew Luck. There is suspicion that they manipulated their way to that, but without evidence you can't say they did anything illegal. Now, if an email was leaked that proved Irsay did in fact make an attempt to get Luck then what he did would become illegal. Being able to get away with something does not mean its legal and until I see the specific wording of the rules I'm going to continue to believe what Belichick is doing is most definitely illegal.

Signing a player and then asking them about his former team is not illegal. You keep believing that though Roy. There is no code of conduct about what you can or cannot say as long as you didn't steal a playbook and hand it over.

What's really naive about your argument is that the Dolphins and every other franchise out there have brought in players and picked their brains about the competition if its their former team.
 
“Every team that you play against, your friends who play for other teams are like: ‘Hey, tell me about this. Tell me about that. This defense, how does it run its scheme? Do they tip it?’ ” Washington Redskins running back Shaun Alexander said. “That’s what happens. It’s like advance scouting. You do the best scouting through your friends.”

“I probably knew coaches and scouts on every one of the 32 teams,” said Steve Mariucci, the former San Francisco and Detroit coach who is now an analyst for the NFL Network. “You can’t keep your head in the sand and assume your team knows everything there is to know. Communicating with your friends is not only accepted, it’s necessary. Asking a question — what did you think about so-and-so, what about their plan against you? — those conversations can occur. No harm, no foul. It’s commonplace.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/sports/football/26nfl.html?fta=y&_r=0
 
Signing a player and then asking them about his former team is not illegal. You keep believing that though Roy. There is no code of conduct about what you can or cannot say as long as you didn't steal a playbook and hand it over.

What's really naive about your argument is that the Dolphins and every other franchise out there have brought in players and picked their brains about the competition if its their former team.

I'm not saying it is. If Irsay believes Painter gives him the best chance at winning the SB that is his right. On the other hand if Irsay believes Painter gives him his best chance to the first overall pick and Andrew Luck then that is illegal. Its a fine line but again intent is what's important. If a kid runs out in front of your car and you can't react fast enough and kill him you're not a murderer. If a kid runs out in front of your car and you choose to not react fast enough you are a murderer. Intent is impossible to prove in a lot of cases.

Joe Philbin has a right to some secrecy, otherwise Belichick would have the practices filmed by a professional film crew.
Bill Belichick has a right to sign any free agent he wants.

Those statements are both true but they do not add up to meaning Bill Belichick has the right to infringe on Joe Philbin's right to secrecy. If infringing on Joe Philbin's right to secrecy is a consequence then its within the rules. If infringing on Joe Philbin's right to secrecy is the goal then it is illegal. Again its a fine line but there is a big difference.

And to be fair if we were doing it I probably wouldn't complain too much. Still, I find it ridiculous to complain that we aren't stooping to their levels by taking advantage of this loophole. You guys feel that winning is all that matters, that integrity is a weakness, and I'm sure you're not alone. I just hope I don't find myself in a poker game with you bunch of unethical bastards....
 
It's no different than stealing signs from the sidelines. It's part of the game. And it's done in EVERY sport.
 
I'm not saying it is. If Irsay believes Painter gives him the best chance at winning the SB that is his right. On the other hand if Irsay believes Painter gives him his best chance to the first overall pick and Andrew Luck then that is illegal. Its a fine line but again intent is what's important. If a kid runs out in front of your car and you can't react fast enough and kill him you're not a murderer. If a kid runs out in front of your car and you choose to not react fast enough you are a murderer. Intent is impossible to prove in a lot of cases.

Joe Philbin has a right to some secrecy, otherwise Belichick would have the practices filmed by a professional film crew.
Bill Belichick has a right to sign any free agent he wants.

Those statements are both true but they do not add up to meaning Bill Belichick has the right to infringe on Joe Philbin's right to secrecy. If infringing on Joe Philbin's right to secrecy is a consequence then its within the rules. If infringing on Joe Philbin's right to secrecy is the goal then it is illegal. Again its a fine line but there is a big difference.

And to be fair if we were doing it I probably wouldn't complain too much. Still, I find it ridiculous to complain that we aren't stooping to their levels by taking advantage of this loophole. You guys feel that winning is all that matters, that integrity is a weakness, and I'm sure you're not alone. I just hope I don't find myself in a poker game with you bunch of unethical bastards....

That's the thing .... IT'S NOT STOOPING TO ANY LEVEL. As long as it is not acquired by illegal means then it is part of game planning. Your own team is a bunch of "unethical bastards". Whether we do it by signing a guy before Week 1 or consult with a player on our roster about his former team in Week 10 it's all the same. I mean c'mon, don't be a hypocrite here. Your premise is laughable. This has gone on for decades among all NFL teams.
 
Now the Patriots are signing Thigpen.:rolleyes2:

Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz 4m

The Patriots are signing Marcus Thigpen to p-squad,which means Belichick will have Thigpen and Don Jones to prod for intel on Dolphins.
 
Now the Patriots are signing Thigpen.

Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz 4m

The Patriots are signing Marcus Thigpen to p-squad,which means Belichick will have Thigpen and Don Jones to prod for intel on Dolphins.:rolleyes2:

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Now the Patriots are signing Thigpen.:rolleyes2:

Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz 4m

The Patriots are signing Marcus Thigpen to p-squad,which means Belichick will have Thigpen and Don Jones to prod for intel on Dolphins.

My problem with this, and we will beat them anyway, is how quick does he dump these players and is it fair on them? Not that he cares but players should.
 
That's the thing .... IT'S NOT STOOPING TO ANY LEVEL. As long as it is not acquired by illegal means then it is part of game planning. Your own team is a bunch of "unethical bastards". Whether we do it by signing a guy before Week 1 or consult with a player on our roster about his former team in Week 10 it's all the same. I mean c'mon, don't be a hypocrite here. Your premise is laughable. This has gone on for decades among all NFL teams.

The difference is we didn't sign Grimes in March just to circumvent secrecy rules for a week 4 game, if you believe we did you are a fool. I think its safe to say at this point Belichick is indeed signing players in order to circumvent secrecy rules.
 
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