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PERSPECTIVE: FH Fans aren't always right... Opinions from the WayBack Machine

Peyton didn't win a playoff game until his 6th season. There was a 41-0 drubbing at the hands of the Jets and Chad Pennington thrown in there too.

Shame all these great threads are popping up right as everyone is focused on the draft that's about to take place...

Bookmarked.

If a quarterback we drafted took 6 years...Finheaven would ERUPT with disapproval long before he had that chance....Just saying

(I'd like to think I'd be patient...I'm usually an optimistic one. Started a Thread about how awesome we would be last year...yeah I got let down, Lol)
 
If a quarterback we drafted took 6 years...Finheaven would ERUPT with disapproval long before he had that chance....Just saying

(I'd like to think I'd be patient...I'm usually an optimistic one. Started a Thread about how awesome we would be last year...yeah I got let down, Lol)


I think we can all agree that in those 6 years P. Manning was showing a lot of promise and ability. But of a difference between that and Chad Henne whose best games were slightly above average.
 
Best football analyst below Dolfan984 all over Fielders Nuts. This cracks me up.

Jay Fiedler is MUCH MUCH better than what would be a waste of a first round pick.

Jamar Fletcher is better than Drew Brees.

Jay Fiedler is better than Drew Brees.

Jay Fiedler is an above average Quarterback.
 
If a quarterback we drafted took 6 years...Finheaven would ERUPT with disapproval long before he had that chance....Just saying

(I'd like to think I'd be patient...I'm usually an optimistic one. Started a Thread about how awesome we would be last year...yeah I got let down, Lol)
Peyton Manning had plenty of detractors. For a guy as good as he is in the regular season he was "one and done" in the playoffs more than any other QB I can recall. His brother seems to be the opposite...a bit inconsistant in the regular season but money in the playoffs.

This thread was entertaining. I don't remember what I thought of Drew Brees but I do remember not liking his successor at Purdue (Chase Daniels). Although I've been a member here since 2004 I really didn't start posting until 2010 and last year I like Christian Ponder and Andy Dalton (one of the few here) but didn't like Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker or Cam Newton (boy was I wrong on him).
 
Funny stuff.

The thing is, if the Dolphins HAD drafted Brees, Rodgers or Ryan, then those guys would not be the players that they are today. They would not be household names, they might be playing for their second teams by now instead.

WE were not set up to allow QB's to succeed, to learn and grow. Hopefully that will be different now. I can't help but think that Henne would have had more success with a different OC and Head Coach. He still looks like he could be better than Flaco to me.

Really entertaining thread, but this is the best post for me. With Philbin, Sherman and co we are now ready to develop a QB, this is why if they draft Tannehill I'm all for it.
 
Love the thread, thanks.

I don't remember some of the ones mentioned, but Brady Quinn sticks out in my head because I was out of town watching in a hotel lobby. I remember him falling down the boards & thinking the stars aligned & we were finally going to get our target. Didn't help that Ginn & Quinn sounded so similar..

Often wish I could have alternate reality tv. If we picked QB X, would he have become a pro-bowl player or out of league 4 years later because of coaching/bad team.
 
Peyton Manning had plenty of detractors. For a guy as good as he is in the regular season he was "one and done" in the playoffs more than any other QB I can recall. His brother seems to be the opposite...a bit inconsistant in the regular season but money in the playoffs.

This thread was entertaining. I don't remember what I thought of Drew Brees but I do remember not liking his successor at Purdue (Chase Daniels). Although I've been a member here since 2004 I really didn't start posting until 2010 and last year I like Christian Ponder and Andy Dalton (one of the few here) but didn't like Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker or Cam Newton (boy was I wrong on him).


Chase Daniel was a Missouri kid not Purdue. I believe it was Painter that succeeded Brees at Purdue.

I don't think anyone is wrong yet about Cam Newton. The bottom line with Cam Newton was whether or not he was going to be a franchise quarterback in the NFL. It's a long term projection.

He has to prove that he can do it year in and year out. Prove that he can deal with losing and continue to get better. He's never had to sustain success for more than a year anywhere.

The physical talent and ability was always undeniable. The journey towards cementing himself as a franchise quarterback starts now. He gets a pass for his rookie season no matter whether it was good or bad.

Now it's about staying healthy, avoiding injury, being consistent, winning games, working hard, keep improving, and working towards running an NFL offense and getting away from the Auburn concepts that they used to keep him comfortable as a rookie.

There's still plenty of time left to struggle, or bust out completely.
 
There's nothing wrong with being wrong as long as you actually believe what you believe based on something relevant to the prospect, coach, owner, or front office executive.

However, what happens is that people defend any and every move the Dolphins make, even when they know it's clearly wrong.
Make no mistake, there's people that want Tannehill, Coples, etc.... that will suddenly find themselves in every thread defending Ireland tooth and nail for passing them up in favor of drafting Rosie O'Donnell and sticking her at nose tackle.

And anyone that doesn't support that decision is a bad fan, 'hater', or a miserable person.

You can find the people in Miami's front office over the past decade that were just as wrong, or even moreso than the fans. They aren't always right either.

The difference is that the folks that don't follow these clowns off a cliff REALLY have to believe what they believe in order to have a "negative" point of view on a particular subject. It's not because they ENJOY watching it happen... it's because they actually BELIEVE it. It takes that level of conviction to dig your heels in.

Anybody can just follow along and pump sunshine and lollipops up each other's a**es.... knowing damn well that they don't even BELIEVE what they type. They just don't like seeing there team "bashed", so they take the complete opposite stance to a fault and defend indefensible points of view for the sake of being a fan.

As long as you're a "true fan", you never have to admit being wrong. Only the "haters" are required to eat crow.

This is the dynamics of over-emotional sports fans on both sides. It'll never change.

It's not the talent, it's not the players, it's not the coaches, it's not the front office, and it's not the owner. Then exactly what is the fundamental cause of a perennial loser if none of that is the issue?

It's the fans, of course.

Amen brother!!! :thumbup:
 
cam newton may bust??? ha ha ha...heck no


Absolutely. Any of them still could.

The list is long of Rookie of the Year's that fizzled out.

I have to see consistency for a 3 year stretch before I believe a player has gotten beyond the bust potential that's still there for everybody. There's a reason why the average NFL career is about 3 years.

It doesn't just apply to rookies either. The list is also long of veteran 1 year wonders that exploded for pro-bowl seasons only to vanish and never be heard from again.
 
Drew Brees. We all kick ourselves for passing on this guy twice, but what did fans think of him back when he was a rookie? Let's see.

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?9588-Drew-BREES-is-very-AVERAGE!!!!!

A classic Fiedler Vs. Brees debate with arguments on both sides: http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?10991-Drew-Brees-vs-Jay-Fiedler

Drew Brees trade rumor in 2003 brings the following comments:
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?29237-Drew-Brees-possibly-traded-to-Fins

Aaron Rodgers? How did we feel before the 2005 draft?

Lets see:

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?62555-Aaron-Rodgers-Alex-Smith-are-they-worthy



<--- CK came through!

but....



http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?61185-MERGED-Aaron-Rodgers-enters-draft

Matt Ryan Time!

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?211596-My-Thoughts-On-Matt-Ryan-So-Far...



http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?209441-Matt-Ryan-with-the-1-pick



--- One of the few who can claim they wanted Matt Ryan in 2008 draft.

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?213031-enough-is-enough-take-MATT-RYAN!!

--- Kudos



We could go on and on, but when draft day rolls around tomorrow, remember one thing... WE ALL DON'T KNOW ****! :)

BONUS: Brady Quinn

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?193718-Will-we-get-Brady-Quinn/page2



Another good Brady Quinn pre-draft thread:
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?189674-Fins-making-a-move-for-Brady-Quinn
I never said any of that.:refuse::lol:
 
Absolutely. Any of them still could.

The list is long of Rookie of the Year's that fizzled out.

I have to see consistency for a 3 year stretch before I believe a player has gotten beyond the bust potential that's still there for everybody. There's a reason why the average NFL career is about 3 years.

It doesn't just apply to rookies either. The list is also long of veteran 1 year wonders that exploded for pro-bowl seasons only to vanish and never be heard from again.

i'm gonna have to agree to disagree with you on this one...he may not get 37 tds again but if he keeps his nose clean off the field i don't see a shot in hell he busts...that guys redefining the league as a legitimate duel threat in a te's body...i don't see anything he cannot do
 
i'm gonna have to agree to disagree with you on this one...he may not get 37 tds again but if he keeps his nose clean off the field i don't see a shot in hell he busts...that guys redefining the league as a legitimate duel threat in a te's body...i don't see anything he cannot do


You're saying he won't bust. I'm saying the possibility of it still exists.

To dismiss the possibility of it altogether is simply not the reality of the situation.

He'll be hard pressed to ever have another season as good as his rookie season.
 
You're saying he won't bust. I'm saying the possibility of it still exists.

To dismiss the possibility of it altogether is simply not the reality of the situation.

He'll be hard pressed to ever have another season as good as his rookie season.

so you don't think he can throw for more than 21 tds in a season??? i don't know if he'll get 16 rushing tds again but i would say 30 passing and 10 rushing is not an impossible feat...this kids talent is rediculous...i'd be willing to bet he eclipses 37 tds all told again in the next 3 years and 30 all told in 2012

25 passing tds and 10 rushing is something this kid can do consistently...
 
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