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Actually...

Originally posted by ckparrothead
But there may be reason to say Burnett wont be as effective a part-time rusher as LoBro.
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Truth be known... what's funny is the suggestion that Burnett won't be as good of a pass rusher as LoBro...
Considering Burnett is a pro bowl caliber player, who has been a sack leader for many years... age aside, he's a much more intimidating presence on passing plays than Bromell...
 
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I thought it was nice to see...

...an independent source confirming our suspicion that we had a pretty good off-season. Many of the power rankings have not given a balanced review of this and placed more that the necessary weighting on the loss of the two DE's. If this analysis were applied to power-rankings I think it would place us in the top six at least.

I'd prefer to be an underdog though and underestimated by all our opponents. The bluff would work until mid-November as they would expect us to have a good winning record until then anyway.:lol:
 
Preseason predictions vary, but I'm optimistic

I'm one of those idiots who buys all the $6.95 preseason preview mags. Most pick NE to win the AFC East and Pitt to make the SB against Philly or St. Louis. Lindy's has a ranking system where they rate each aspect of the team (WRs, LBs, etc. and coaching) from 1 - 10 and then total it up. They had us tied with Philly for 3rd, only slightly behind Pittsburgh with St. Louis at the top.

I agree. I think St. Louis is clearly the most talented team with the best shot at the SB. After them, I think there's a small group of contenders - Miami, Pitt, Oak, Philly, GB and San Fran. There are other good teams - Indy, NE, Tenn, Den, Chi, but I think they're a notch below.

IMO, Miami is going to have among the best defenses and special teams in the NFL. To me, the only question mark is the O-line, however, they have better depth and they couldn't possibly suffer as many injuries again. If their offense is just good (it doesn't have to be great - just move the chains and don't turn it over so much) they could be special, i.e. 12 or 13 wins and playing deep into January. I just hope it's Philly and not St. Louis waiting on the other side of the field in the SB.
 
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As we all know by now these rankings and gradings have nothing to do with the real world,,,NE wasn't even in the top 15 last year at this time and Balt. wasn't in the top 17 the year before. We hope that we have a great team..as we change players this year, so did others..the question is,,"who added the most sleeper players to their roster..I like our players, but that's because I spent a lot more time studying and reading about them..but who's that unknown player(s) on other rosters that will make the difference? Could this be Clevelands or Cinn. year..they had signs of life last year.
 
Re: Actually...

Originally posted by WharfRat


Truth be known... what's funny is the suggestion that Burnett won't be as good of a pass rusher as LoBro...
Considering Burnett is a pro bowl caliber player, who has been a sack leader for many years... age aside, he's a much more intimidating presence on passing plays than Bromell...
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On one of the best defenses ever where he wasn't the focus of double teams or pretty much the focus of anyone. Was it really a conincidence his best year was the SuperBowl year with the best defense of all time?

Burnett's age is a real question mark because unlike Trace he hasn't proven he's gotten better with age. In fact here is his sack #'s from1996 on:

1996: 3
1997: 4
1998: 3
1999: 7
2000: 11
2001: 0

Anyone who thinks Burnett is better then Bromell at this point needs their head slapped with a little common sense. If it weren't for the money the phins would have resigned Bromell long before Burnett ever came into the picture and there isn't one single NFL team that would take Burnett at this point in his career over Bromell.
 
umm..... is it just me or do those sack totals look like they go up, not down?
1996: 3
1997: 4
1998: 3
1999: 7
2000: 11
 
You're G*d D*mned right it was because of the money....there is no way Brommell is worth 11 million dollars...the Vikings are retarded.
 
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Originally posted by inFINSible
umm..... is it just me or do those sack totals look like they go up, not down?
1996: 3
1997: 4
1998: 3
1999: 7
2000: 11
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that's the way it looks to me also... but Van seems too busy trying to slap common sense into people (presumably me) to notice that fact in his own post...
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me and van have gone a few rounds over this topic also, so I'm sure some of that head slappin was intended for me too....
 
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How could Burnett's sack totals NOT GO UP???? Damn man, he was in the "prime" of his career, getting 3 and 4 sacks! He gets no attention 1 season and makes the best of it. He is on a slope hill downward, and loBro is on his way up. seriously, how can you look at the numbers he put up in his prime and think they are good, for a pass rusher? 3, 4, 3?? Good numbers? I hope to hell they did go up! Then he had 7 when the defense started getting better, then when he NEVER got a double team, he managed to hit 11, which is a good number. Next season tho, he was just plain invisable. 0 SACKS! Great number. Even Kenny Mixon got more than that, and he is much younger.

If not for the money, LoBro would be here and Burnett would be backing up some second rate DE in NE. I'd be very suprised if Burnett gets 5 sacks this year, that is how much i think he has declined.

Burnett will be steady against the run, but he is hardly what you'd call a speed rusher like Trace, I don't really see where the comparison started, other than both of them being old backup DEs on Miami....after that i think the comparison is over.

I only thikn the Burnett signing was halfway decent because we simply couldn't afford to sign a better DE. We needed some vet insurance, and got it, but I for one am not going to count on it. I am praying Ogunleye and D-Bow outshine him and take all the backup snaps at DE....that would make me a happy man.
 
I think the reason the Dolphins did sign Burnett, is because they don't really believe Gardener's back will hold up all season and Burnett would be a good replacement for Gardener on the rushing downs. Until that happens though, I'd rather see David Bowens on the passing downs.

I liked that Peter King thought highly enough of Miami's offseason to rank them in the top 2, but was I the only one that read the rest of the rankings and was left wondering about King's intelligence level?

Tampa Bay had the best offseason? After they were the laughing stock of the NFL in Feb.? And didn't they over-pay for Gruden when they could have waited and gotten him for free next year? They're going to need those high picks to restock an already declining defense. And I wouldn't expect the Bucs' offense to all of a sudden open up just because Gruden's in charge. I think he's one of the more conservative head coaches in the league.

Jacksonville at #4??? When they lost Tony Boselli, Aaron Beasley, Keenan McCardell, Hardy Nickerson, Kevin Hardy, Jonathan Quinn, Renaldo Wynn, Gary Walker, Seth Payne, and a few others. The players that are left are miserable, Coughlin's act was old years ago. The Jags should have hired Spurrier when they had the chance, not that he'd be that good, but he does have a good following in that area. King has the Jags at the wrong end of the spectrum IMHO.

I didn't like the Rams at #9 either. Their offseason hasn't been impressive enough to warrant a top 10, it's only because they're the Rams he lists them there.

Sorry about the rant guys, I just thought some of King's ranking was pretty stupid, especially the Jags at #4.
 
Originally posted by inFINSible
umm..... is it just me or do those sack totals look like they go up, not down?
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1992: 9 sacks
1993: 9 sacks
1994: 10 sacks
1995: 8 sacks

Got his 7 and 11 sacks on a defense with Sam Adams, Micheal McCrary, Tony Siragusa, Jamie Sharper, Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware in the front 7 mix. God Mixon could have gotten 11 sacks on that defense :lol:
 
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