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Peyton Manning reality thread
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MDphinfan02
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Just say no to peyton
ebozzz
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Is Steve playing as well as he was before the surgery? I think that what most of those people are saying who feel it's not worth the risk to acquire Manning is that yes, he probably will play again. But, he will probably not be the same player that he once was. Then there is also the question of when or if he will be available for the upcoming season. As it stands right now, it looks unlikely that he will be ready for the start of our off season programs. I want our next QB to be in Miami for ALL of the off season sessions. Peyton's football IQ is top notch but I would rather not have a QB coming in late trying to learn the system while developing chemistry with the players....
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Dan had his neck/nerve injury in 99 and never was really the same when he came back, other than the Seattle game.
Locke
They looked like strong hands.
I think that what most of those people are saying who feel it's not worth the risk to acquire Manning is that yes, he probably will play again. But, he will probably not be the same player that he once was. Then there is also the question of when or if he will be available the upcoming season. As it stands right now, it looks unlikely that he will be ready for the start of our off season programs. I want our next QB to be in Miami for ALL of the off season sessions. Peyton's football IQ is top notch but I would rather not have a QB coming in late trying to learn the system while developing chemistry with the players....
Slaton's decline started his sophomore year, not after the injury. He had that fantastic rookie season, then came back down to earth. So, it's hard to say how he is currently playing as opposed to before the injury, short of being a Houston fan or someone whose watched the Texans regularly the past few seasons.
I think people have a right to be worried about it. It's a major concern, which we are all too familiar with since Marino suffered neck issues himself before retiring. My point is it isn't fair for anyone to come on here and say he'll never play the same again. Despite a strong possibility of that being true, no one but Manning's doctor is qualified or educated enough to make that assessment. Talking down to other fans because they don't Manning is done is as bad as those who are saying his recovery is guaranteed. Fact is, none of us know, and we should stop trying to convince each other of something we aren't completely informed about...
This is the most ridiculous statement I've read!!! By the way the fans who think Manning will Play Again were talking down to others who disagreed as well; It went both ways!!! You have no idea what Manning is going through UNLESS you've been through it!!! People who've had Mannings Surgery can speak from experience and knowledge they get from the Doctor's that have treated them ... Your calling those same people uneducated because they don't agree with you or others who think Manning will come back and be 100% ... If we speak from experience and have knowledge why are we so wrong? All we are trying to do is explain why we may be right .. and there is nothing wrong with that?
ebozzz
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Fair statement....
On the contrary, I think that it is a pretty fair assesment to say he won't be the same as he was. He could still possibly play at a very high level but not achieve the same level of play that has defined who he is as a player. That's the reality and as of right now, it reallly doesn't look good for him. He's not ready to play right now and even his doctor is unable to definitively say that he will be back on the field. Reality.......
NamathDrunkLove
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There are several things that I do not understand with the people who do not want Manning:
1. Us signing him is under the condition that he IS healthy enough to play.
2. As several others have posted each person recovers different from the surgery.
3. It's not my money so why should I care if we sign him?
4. For all the "risk" that it is it is only a short term fix. It not like it is something that could set us back a decade. (Like a horrible coach signing or botched top ten pick. Even that is not what it use to be because of the implemented rookie salary cap.)
5. It's not like we would be giving up draft picks and therefore our future.
6. I'm sure anyone that signs Manning would only sign him if his contract were based on his health/performance/playing time (If it doesn't work out we can cut him.)
7. As stated by another poster, Steve Slaton has had this surgery and he is still playing in the NFL. Some have replied: well, he isn't what he once was either. Tell me, when has Steve Slaton ever played elite at the HB position like Manning has at the Qb position? When has Slaton ever drove to be the best at his position? Answer to all of those is never. A side note to all of that is that Manning is a qb and slaton a rb. Who takes more hits? How takes more vicious hits? The rb every time.
The whole reason Manning had this surgery is because of diminished arm strength. Even if he never regains his arm again he still has a stronger arm than what Pennington had. If we do sign Manning and he turns out to suck or ride the bench, are we in any different situation that we have been in since Marino retired? Always a franchise qb away from winning it all. Manning is someone who could step in right away and provide the kind of leadership that this team needs to takes us to a SB. I have no doubt that it wouldn't take Manning long to gain a rapport with his new teammates either.
1. Us signing him is under the condition that he IS healthy enough to play.
2. As several others have posted each person recovers different from the surgery.
3. It's not my money so why should I care if we sign him?
4. For all the "risk" that it is it is only a short term fix. It not like it is something that could set us back a decade. (Like a horrible coach signing or botched top ten pick. Even that is not what it use to be because of the implemented rookie salary cap.)
5. It's not like we would be giving up draft picks and therefore our future.
6. I'm sure anyone that signs Manning would only sign him if his contract were based on his health/performance/playing time (If it doesn't work out we can cut him.)
7. As stated by another poster, Steve Slaton has had this surgery and he is still playing in the NFL. Some have replied: well, he isn't what he once was either. Tell me, when has Steve Slaton ever played elite at the HB position like Manning has at the Qb position? When has Slaton ever drove to be the best at his position? Answer to all of those is never. A side note to all of that is that Manning is a qb and slaton a rb. Who takes more hits? How takes more vicious hits? The rb every time.
The whole reason Manning had this surgery is because of diminished arm strength. Even if he never regains his arm again he still has a stronger arm than what Pennington had. If we do sign Manning and he turns out to suck or ride the bench, are we in any different situation that we have been in since Marino retired? Always a franchise qb away from winning it all. Manning is someone who could step in right away and provide the kind of leadership that this team needs to takes us to a SB. I have no doubt that it wouldn't take Manning long to gain a rapport with his new teammates either.
While its fair to give your own opinion on things I don't think anyone here is a doctor with extensive knowledge of these things. I mean google can only get you so far.. but has Manning's actual diagnosis ever been stated? Not just that fact that it's a C-spine/nerve injury?
ebozzz
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:err: I'll have to come back to this but I have to leave home for a moment. You're mostly all wrong though....
Locke
They looked like strong hands.
Instead of seeing the word uneducated and working yourself into a frenzy, why don't you look at the word in context? If you did, you'd see I was not referring to you. Also, you would see that I don't have a position on the matter, so telling me that I'm attacking people for disagreeing with me would be impossible; I haven't said anything for anyone to disagree with. My point is that people heal differently from the same surgery. That is fact. Some people tear an ACL and never play organized sports again, while other are back on the field in a year. You coming here in a frenzy of perceived disrespect doesn't change the fact that someone who makes a living by keeping his body at it's peak physical performance, while having access to the best doctors and physical therapy money can buy, would have a better chance of making a fuller recovery than an average joe.
You're right, he probably won't be the same. He may not even put on another pair of pads ever again. Statistics say that is the case. However, you cannot unequivocally say he won't ever play again. That's an assessment you aren't qualified to make, regardless of your personal experience with the surgery. That said, I'm sorry about your need for the surgery. It's something that no one should ever have to go through. Any operations regarding the CNS are far more invasive than anyone should have to go through...
Locke
They looked like strong hands.
Agreed. It doesn't look good for him. I meant to say it's wrong to say he won't ever play again, not that he won't play again at the same level. That was my mistake, and of course that assessment would be incorrect. Statistically speaking, that is most likely going to happen. However, I think short of a doctor telling him he literally cannot take anymore hits, he'll work his *** off to get back on the field. Shell of himself or not, I don't think we've seen the last of Peyton Manning...
You are correct, and I apologize for including you in my general statement ... again in many of my post I tried to explain, but was criticized for that ... I understand Manning has seen the best of the best, BUT they still couldn't get him healthy enough to get on the field ... If it were Mannings NON Throwing Arm, I'd say sign him!!! but unfortunately it's his throwing arm .. and that presents a whole set of problems most don't seem to want to realize ...
NamathDrunkLove
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I can't wait to see where I am mostly wrong....
1. The dolphins signing him would be under the condition that he is healthy enough to play. FACT. I think the same could be said about any other team. You would have to be completely stupid to sign him not knowing whether he is healthy enough to play.
2. Every person does recover to this surgery differently. As any other person would recover differently to any other surgery.
3. Again, it's not my money so why should I care???
4. He is a short term investment. He is at the tail end of his career.
5..We wouldn't be giving up draft picks for him. He would be a signing. I thought this was understood in the fact that the only way we get him is if we sign him.
6. Again anyone who signs him would do it incentive based.
7. Steve Slaton has never been "Elite" like Peyton Manning has. And I am right in the fact that running backs take harder hits and more hits than qb's do.
8. Manning primarily had this surgery because of numbness in his triceps. Which in turn affected his arm strength considerably.
Again, please state where I am WRONG in any of these points. Maybe I should clarify that I would only want Manning if he is healthy enough to play and if he took a contract that was based on his health/playing time/performance. Otherwise I am with the rest of you in saying forget Manning. It is a well known fact around the league that Manning is one of the hardest workers and students of the game. He has always wanted to be the best quarterback to play in the NFL. So I have no doubt he is working as hard as he can to be ready to play again in the NFL.
ebozzz
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I'm back. You're still mising the point but let me address your other post first.....