PFF - NFL's best, worst teams at drafting in the first round since 2020

[BrowardDolfan]

I can’t really say there’s enough data to make a conclusion here.

The Bengals basically had the first pick of the Burrow draft and drafted his college WR the next year. That’s not really a pattern

The Wins Against Replacement basis heavily favors those teams who were crap (i.e. Cincinnati and Miami) before 2020. If your team was at its worst and could only go up, you get a higher ranking. Notice no KC, Philadelphia, or San Francisco high on the list because if your team is already winning 10 or 11 games a season, your first round pick is not going to give the team that much improvement based on this standard. Does anyone think KC, Philly, & SF are that lousy at first round picks?

 

[BennySwella]

People on here trying to defend Chris Grier's drafting? The trades, ok... but his drafting? LMAO. Wow.

On a side note, OP your name is Dolphins VJ? Smells real fishy. Quite literally. LMAO

 

[MARINO1384]

It's keeping talent that is a bigger issue for Grier. As an aside, Miami is right around. 500 during Grier's time as GM. If you are what your record says, that's about average.

Although, to be fair, you do have to factor in the tear down and rebuild. Say what you will about Grier, but that strategy took courage.

I think most fans recognize that Miami is in a bit of a rebuild. Don't know if Ross would categorize it that way, but the Dolphins have needs at virtually every position.

In other words, the 2025 draft really matters for Miami.

Yeah his issue hasn’t been drafting although his later rounds could use some work. His first rounds have been solid, 2nd round about 50/50 although Patrick Paul could be tiebreaker depending on how he turns out. After the 2nd it’s pretty bad though.

His bigger issue is the trades and lost picks. Given his record of atleast usually getting someone solid in the 1st or 2nd, Miami is probably in a much better position had we not given away 3 1st and a 2nd due to the Chubb/tyreek and the whole tampering bs. Then trading up to select Eich as well as Jaylen Wright (although I love wright and see him being a monster but the trade up then not using him this year is baffling).

Player retention is definitely an issue as he never seems to offer players contracts early enough to get discounts and then the one time we probably should of waited is with Tua and he gave him the contract.

In any case he should of been fired due to the above but he wasn’t so all we can do is pray he can continue 1st round hits and get some later in the draft and for the love of god keep our picks, hell trade back and grab some for next year. This draft depending on how it falls has some pretty similar players from like 10-35 so if we can grab an extra 2nd this year or 1st next year by trading back im down.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

Yeah his issue hasn’t been drafting although his later rounds could use some work. His first rounds have been solid, 2nd round about 50/50 although Patrick Paul could be tiebreaker depending on how he turns out. After the 2nd it’s pretty bad though.

His bigger issue is the trades and lost picks. Given his record of atleast usually getting someone solid in the 1st or 2nd, Miami is probably in a much better position had we not given away 3 1st and a 2nd due to the Chubb/tyreek and the whole tampering bs. Then trading up to select Eich as well as Jaylen Wright (although I love wright and see him being a monster but the trade up then not using him this year is baffling).

Player retention is definitely an issue as he never seems to offer players contracts early enough to get discounts and then the one time we probably should of waited is with Tua and he gave him the contract.

In any case he should of been fired due to the above but he wasn’t so all we can do is pray he can continue 1st round hits and get some later in the draft and for the love of god keep our picks, hell trade back and grab some for next year. This draft depending on how it falls has some pretty similar players from like 10-35 so if we can grab an extra 2nd this year or 1st next year by trading back im down.

In retrospect, Miami would probably be in better shape if Grier didn't make those trades.

Obviously, McDaniel had a plan for Hill in the offense that worked really well for awhile. Chubb just can't stay healthy.

 

[DOLFAN_51]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!! Iggy as an example was great, on our way boys!

Didn’t he play in the Conference championship last year as a major contributor? You guys all talk like he’s out of the league.

 

[DOLFAN_51]

The Wins Against Replacement basis heavily favors those teams who were crap (i.e. Cincinnati and Miami) before 2020. If your team was at its worst and could only go up, you get a higher ranking. Notice no KC, Philadelphia, or San Francisco high on the list because if your team is already winning 10 or 11 games a season, your first round pick is not going to give the team that much improvement based on this standard. Does anyone think KC, Philly, & SF are that lousy at first round picks?

I don’t think that’s how it works.

In the NFL, WAR (Wins Above Replacement) is calculated by assessing a player's value in terms of how many more wins they contribute compared to a replacement-level player at their position, using metrics like PFF grades and participation data, often through models that simulate team performance with and without the player.

 

[MARINO1384]

Didn’t he play in the Conference championship last year as a major contributor? You guys all talk like he’s out of the league.

I mean I wouldn’t say he was a major contributor, he’s played the nickel and was targeted 4 times and gave up 4 receptions for 44 yards. Divisional round was targeted 8 times and gave up 5 receptions on 8 targets for 93 yards. So no he hasn’t turned into some rising star or anything. This was the most he’s played in his career though and he’s only 25 so maybe but so far he’s still a pretty big bust.

 

[royalshank]

It's keeping talent that is a bigger issue for Grier. As an aside, Miami is right around. 500 during Grier's time as GM. If you are what your record says, that's about average.

Although, to be fair, you do have to factor in the tear down and rebuild. Say what you will about Grier, but that strategy took courage.

I think most fans recognize that Miami is in a bit of a rebuild. Don't know if Ross would categorize it that way, but the Dolphins have needs at virtually every position.

In other words, the 2025 draft really matters for Miami.

We need a draft like the one where we got Phillips, Waddle and Holland

 

[royalshank]

In retrospect, Miami would probably be in better shape if Grier didn't make those trades.

Obviously, McDaniel had a plan for Hill in the offense that worked really well for awhile. Chubb just can't stay healthy.

I have no trouble w the Hill trade. He made our offense dynamic for 2 seasons. Last year he had a broken wrist all year. He’ll bounce back. I just think we did too many trades over a compressed period - including the crazy one where we went down then up etc. A pick for Matt Breida etc - just a lot of picks used on trades or trade position in a short window.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

We need a draft like the one where we got Phillips, Waddle and Holland

Absolutely. That type of draft could help this team rebound in a big way.

 

[DOLFAN_51]

I mean I wouldn’t say he was a major contributor, he’s played the nickel and was targeted 4 times and gave up 4 receptions for 44 yards. Divisional round was targeted 8 times and gave up 5 receptions on 8 targets for 93 yards. So no he hasn’t turned into some rising star or anything. This was the most he’s played in his career though and he’s only 25 so maybe but so far he’s still a pretty big bust.

He played in every game and started 10 games for the Reskins. He played over 800 snaps 76% and gave up 40 catches on 71 targets 56% for 397 yards. Stop hating. That’s crazy good. You call that a bust? And his playoff stats were 1 for 1 for 1 yards, 4 for 7 for 70 yards and 3 for 3 for 30 yards. Not great. But he was playing two of the hottest offenses in football. He had better numbers than Fuller on the season.

 

[MARINO1384]

He played in every game and started 10 games for the Reskins. He played over 800 snaps 76% and gave up 40 catches on 71 targets 56% for 397 yards. Stop hating. That’s crazy good. You call that a bust? And his playoff stats were 1 for 1 for 1 yards, 4 for 7 for 70 yards and 3 for 3 for 30 yards. Not great. But he was playing two of the hottest offenses in football. He had better numbers than Fuller on the season.

PFF has 54 on 86 targets for 556 yards 3 tds allowed with a 93 qb rating as well as 8 penalties against. Not sure what’s more accurate as I don’t think nfl tracks that as official stats.

In any case he was playing nickel in his 5th year, if that’s what you expect from 1st round picks, we have a much different expectations.

Kader Kohou posted similar numbers and was an undrafted free agent…

 

[DOLFAN_51]

PFF has 54 on 86 targets for 556 yards 3 tds allowed with a 93 qb rating as well as 8 penalties against. Not sure what’s more accurate as I don’t think nfl tracks that as official stats.

In any case he was playing nickel in his 5th year, if that’s what you expect from 1st round picks, we have a much different expectations.

Kader Kohou posted similar numbers and was an undrafted free agent…

If you add the playoff numbers to his regular season that’s pretty close to the same. And if the Commanders ran nickel defense 61% of the time and he played 76% of the snaps he was more than a nickel corner. And considering that draft class was full of first round misses I think he’s doing pretty well. He’s looks like a hall of fame corner compared to the other 4CBs taken in the first round. You can’t just FIRST ROUND PICK FIRST ROUND PICK! Put it in perspective. It was a bad year for Forest round corners. At least Noah was young and he’s salvaging a career as a starter even if he isn’t lock down. He was terrible his first two seasons. And since then he’s been solid. It feels like you just want to hate Grier or you can’t forget those first two seasons.

 

[Highzenga]

B

Hello,

Not bad for a GM (Chris Grier) who does not know how to draft (sarcasm) - please see link below. I have noticed repeatedly that most outside Media have a higher opinion of the Dolphins and it's talent than some members of the Board here and some Dolphins Media people.

NFL's best, worst teams at drafting in the first round since 2020

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Besides Iggy (who is playing well in Washington), we’ve drafted reallly well since 2017 in the 1st round. I know people on here like to criticize Grier, but this is the best run of drafts we’ve had since the late 60’s/early 70’s. We had a lot of drafts where basically every player was a bust in the 80’s, 90’s & 2000’s.

 

[39wildman]

B

Besides Iggy (who is playing well in Washington), we’ve drafted reallly well since 2017 in the 1st round. I know people on here like to criticize Grier, but this is the best run of drafts we’ve had since the late 60’s/early 70’s. We had a lot of drafts where basically every player was a bust in the 80’s, 90’s & 2000’s.

If u picking in top 10 every. It shouldn't be too hard. 20 to 32. U need know what ur doing.