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PFF on Phins Game #1

LANGER72 said:
RT's 6/6 , 1 TD drive performance was nothing of note with all his starting receivers on the bench?
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I'd consider Gibson a starting receiver and Matthews has been on the field with RT more than anyone in the pros. Not that his performance wasn't outstanding.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Here's an interesting QB comparison from the game to show the difference between PFF and NFL.

Tannehill went 6 for 6 for 63 yards, and a TD. PFF gave him a +1.3 grade, and the NFL gave him a rating of 149.

Ryan went 7 of 7 for 100 yards, and 0 TD's. PFF gave him a +2.2 grade, and the NFL gave hi9m a rating of 98.

PFF goes by what they saw, play by play, and if throws were those most QB's should make or better than that. NFL goes by the stats. With the game fresh in your mind, who gave the better description of the play of the two QB's?
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In my fairly uneducated opinion, it seemed like Tannehill missed the wide open TE releasing from the line late a couple of times and dumped it off to Miller over the middle instead. We got yardage but not the most yardage possible. This could be planned or an attempt to get rid of the ball quicker but that was my observation.
 
Southbeach I appreciate all of the pff stats that you post. They are the best stats available. Of course everyone should always use the ol eyeball test but there is nothing wrong with adding in some detailed stats to the equation. Sometimes pff stats even help the eyeball test because they make you look for things on the field that you might not have noticed if you hadn't seen the pff stats.
 
mega-fin-love said:
Southbeach I appreciate all of the pff stats that you post. They are the best stats available. Of course everyone should always use the ol eyeball test but there is nothing wrong with adding in some detailed stats to the equation. Sometimes pff stats even help the eyeball test because they make you look for things on the field that you might not have noticed if you hadn't seen the pff stats.
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I'm with ya there. The thing is, you'd need to see deeper into the details of the rating they gave Tanny/Ryan to see where the differential comes from. Using just QB rating, of course Tannehill's is going to be much higher...TDs get a ton of weight in that calculation. This is part of why I don't like QB rating, it has no context.

Edit: For instance, if a QB hits a WR dead in stride, in the bread basket, PFF gives the QB a positive mark on that play whether or not the WR caught it. If said WR bobbles it, knocks it up, and it gets intercepted, the QB rating puts a big negative hit. Which of those measured the QB's individual performance better?
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Here's an interesting QB comparison from the game to show the difference between PFF and NFL.

Tannehill went 6 for 6 for 63 yards, and a TD. PFF gave him a +1.3 grade, and the NFL gave him a rating of 149.

Ryan went 7 of 7 for 100 yards, and 0 TD's. PFF gave him a +2.2 grade, and the NFL gave hi9m a rating of 98.

PFF goes by what they saw, play by play, and if throws were those most QB's should make or better than that. NFL goes by the stats. With the game fresh in your mind, who gave the better description of the play of the two QB's?
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As others have said, I give the touchdown more weight than yards because scoring is what win games. I think PFF gave Matt Ryan the higher grade because of the total yards and yards per attempt.
 
I guess I don't understand how they graded James. They said he was perfect in pass protect, so what grade is that? And then he gets a -1.8 on run blocking, with an overall still in the negatives. is it hard to get out of the negatives? are they not weighted the same? I guess it would all depend on what a perfect score is, for his pass blocking.
 
truedolfan57 said:
I guess I don't understand how they graded James. They said he was perfect in pass protect, so what grade is that? And then he gets a -1.8 on run blocking, with an overall still in the negatives. is it hard to get out of the negatives? are they not weighted the same? I guess it would all depend on what a perfect score is, for his pass blocking.
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It was perfect, with a clean slate, meaning 0 sacks, hits, and hurries. Not perfect on every block. He got a +1.0, best of the starters but with more snaps.
 
Geforce said:
As others have said, I give the touchdown more weight than yards because scoring is what win games. I think PFF gave Matt Ryan the higher grade because of the total yards and yards per attempt.
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As mentioned, it's the individual performance, and not the stats. If RT avoids pressure and thread the needle to a covered WR for 10 yards, it's better than throwing a 40 yarder to a guy wide open for an easy completion.
 
mega-fin-love said:
Southbeach I appreciate all of the pff stats that you post. They are the best stats available. Of course everyone should always use the ol eyeball test but there is nothing wrong with adding in some detailed stats to the equation. Sometimes pff stats even help the eyeball test because they make you look for things on the field that you might not have noticed if you hadn't seen the pff stats.
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Yeah, I compare my eyeballs to theirs many a time, and also theirs to mine in re-watching the OL. We are normally very close on the OL.
 
truedolfan57 said:
you only get a +1.0 for perfect pass blocking? what a scam. lol
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No, you can get +1 or more on one play. The 0 pressures was perfect, not the pass blocking.

Edit- sorry missed the LOL
 
Sirspud said:
I'd consider Gibson a starting receiver and Matthews has been on the field with RT more than anyone in the pros. Not that his performance wasn't outstanding.
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Gibson or Matthews could be argued as a #3, but the reality was that Wallace, Hartline, and Clay didn't play.
 
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