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Are you buying or selling Shedeur Sanders to the Saints?​

Yates: Selling. There's little chance Derek Carr's shoulder injury was a surprise to the Saints, so I don't expect it to dramatically change their stance at No. 9. Ultimately, for New Orleans to take a quarterback that high, the decision-makers have to be in love with that prospect. I have not gotten the sense that the Saints are there with Sanders. But it's important to remember very few parties are motivated to reveal their intentions before the draft, which makes it difficult to know what's true. It's smokescreen season. I'll sell this ... for now.
One nugget, though: While I generally lean away from the Saints taking a QB with the ninth pick, some evaluators believe Ole Miss' Jaxson Dart and Louisville's Tyler Shough are legitimate targets for the Saints over the course of the draft.

Miller: Selling. The Saints have clear deficiencies all over their roster, which is bloated with bad contracts. Reaching for a passer at No. 9 won't change their outlook. This is the same front office that drafted Spencer Rattler in the fifth round last year, and a source told me that they still like his ability and upside a lot. New coach Kellen Moore could change that dynamic, but this isn't a team that's a quarterback away, from a team-building standpoint.

Reid: Buying. The Saints' offseason moves signal they believe they're a "win now" team, including bringing back edge rusher Chase Young on a three-year dealand adding safety Justin Reid. But in reality, they just need to rebuild. And one of the best ways to maneuver an expensive QB on the roster during a rebuild is drafting a potential long-term answer on a rookie deal. With Sanders and Rattler, the Saints would have two inexpensive options under center while the Carr situation becomes more clear. If Sanders is still there at No. 9, I think New Orleans jumps at the chance to add him.



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If the Browns pass on the QBs at No. 2, what fit makes the most sense later in the draft?​

Reid: Connecting Jalen Milroe to the Browns makes sense and would likely have to happen at No. 33 overall to kick off Round 2. Offensive coordinator Tommy Rees worked with Milroe at Alabama in 2023, so he understands Milroe's strengths and weaknesses well. Cleveland has Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco, which means Milroe would have time to sit and develop. He needs refinement as a passer, but his dual-threat skill set makes him intriguing. And Cleveland could play him in spurts in designed packages catered to his mobility and big arm.

Yates: My vote is trading up to land Dart late in the first round. It's plausible, and it's not cost-prohibitive. There's a possibility Dart is long gone by this point, but if he does last until, say, the Texans' No. 25 pick, the Browns would be smart to consider a move up. Remember, the Giants could be lurking in the QB class, too, and could try their own trade up the board. New York has the 34th overall pick, so Cleveland might not be able to stay put at No. 33 and assume Dart will still be there.

Miller: I'm agreeing with Jordan on Milroe, but I think he will be available at No. 67. It's unlikely a rookie will immediately unseat Flacco or Pickett, given their veteran experience. Milroe will require some development, so the best-case scenario for his growth would be keeping him at QB3 and getting him on the field as a rookie in some running packages.



What's your boldest first-round prediction based on what you're hearing?​

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Yates: Dart (or even Shough) could go ahead of Sanders as QB2. Look, I still think Sanders is the second QB drafted. I've never even had Dart graded ahead of Sanders in this process, and they are 19 spots apart on my final board. But I've spoken with people around the league who think it's possible Dart winds up following Miami's Cam Wardamong the passers. Regardless of how highly rated a QB is on our own boards, the order they are taken is going to be decided by a small group of QB-needy teams that see each of them differently. And I'll throw Shough in this conversation, too.

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Miller: I've heard talk that Missouri's Armand Membou could be the first offensive lineman taken, before LSU's Will Campbell. The right tackle prospect has received rave reviews from scouts because of his elite movement skills and power in the run game. There's a belief that his agility could allow him to move to left tackle in the pros, which would put him in play for the Patriots at No. 4 overall.

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Reid: Texas cornerback Jahdae Barronwill be drafted before Michigan's Will Johnson. Barron is one of the few corners in this class who hasn't been injured or missed parts of the predraft process. He had a standout 2024 campaign with five interceptions, earning the Jim Thorpe Award (nation's best defensive back). Meanwhile, Johnson missed six games this season with a toe injury and then Michigan's pro day with a hamstring injury.

On Monday, Johnson held a private workout for scouts. I talked to scouts who had good things to say about it, but Johnson elected not to run a 40-yard dash, which leaves plenty of question marks about his evaluation and overall speed. So Barron could be picked ahead of Johnson -- maybe even as early as No. 6 to the Raiders.



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True or false: We will see a team trade up in the top 10.​

Miller: False. Unless the Steelers get antsy and trade up for a quarterback, it's very difficult for a team to find value in moving up this year. The question that I think about is, "Who would a team be trading up to get?" There simply aren't enough blue-chip prospects at money positions in this class worth paying high draft capital to land.

Reid: True. Keep an eye on the Bears at No. 10 overall; I could see them getting some calls. If the Saints don't take a QB at No. 9, things could get really interesting from that point on. Yes, teams won't be scrambling to trade up compared to previous years, but there could be a surprise depending on which of the top prospects are still left on the board. Multiple NFL teams need a versatile tight end in their offense, so don't be surprised if someone jumps at the chance to take Penn State's Tyler Warren or Michigan's Colston Loveland. And I could see a team vaulting up the board for a top pass rusher, too, even though this defensive line class is deep.

Yates: True, though it'd likely come toward the back half of the top 10. If we get one, I think it'd manifest from a team trying to get Warren or Boise State running back Ashton Jeanty (though Jeanty could be a prime target for the Raiders at No. 6). The Bears lurk as an obvious potential home for either prospect, so an interested team might give Carolina (No. 8) or New Orleans (No. 9) a call to leapfrog Chicago. Both the Panthers and Saints might be interested in loading up on picks.



Propose a late-Round 1 or Round 2 trade that could make sense.​

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Miller: The Minnesota Vikings trade No. 24 to the Cleveland Browns for Nos. 33 and 94. With only four picks in the draft, Minnesota needs to collect more draft capital and continue adding young, inexpensive players to the roster. Big contracts for the Vikings' stars could soon put them up against the salary cap. Moving back nine places allows them to do that. Cleveland, meanwhile, gets the chance to jump back into Round 1 if Dart or even Sanders are still available.

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Reid: The Philadelphia Eagles trade Nos. 32 and 168 to the Jacksonville Jaguars for Nos. 36 and 107. With 10 draft picks, Jacksonville can be aggressive in addressing holes on the roster. Finding a WR2 alongside Brian Thomas Jr. should be a priority. If Missouri's Luther Burden III or Ohio State's Emeka Egbuka are on the board at the end of the first round, then this is a move that's worth making. New general manager James Gladstone was part of a Rams front office that wasn't afraid to make a bold trade up for a player. Los Angeles did it last year to get Braden Fiske.

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Yates: The Washington Commanderstrade Nos. 29 and 128 to the New England Patriots for Nos. 38 and 77. A theme of this Patriots offseason has been aggressiveness, as they spent huge in free agency to address several needs. That could continue into the draft, especially if they can fill a critical need with a player late in Round 1. I'd be watching the wide receiver or offensive tackle groups. Washington, meanwhile, has only five picks and would get an earlier opportunity at No. 77 to tap into the depth of this year's class.
 
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What else did you hear and see this week?​

Reid's notes:

  • Georgia edge rushers Jalon Walker and Mykel Williams participated in a private workout for scouts on Thursday. It was the final opportunity for NFL decision makers to get their eyes on two projected top-15 picks, and I'm told there were 14 teams in attendance. "Walker moved around well," an area scout from an NFC team said. "He did drills as an off-ball linebacker and some rush stuff, too." Walker solidified himself as a top-10 pick, while Williams should go in the top 20.
  • One team constantly brought up as a trade-back candidate is the Atlanta Falcons at No. 15. General manager Terry Fontenot has traded back only once during his four-year tenure, but the team also has only five picks. In a deep class of edge rushers, Atlanta might feel comfortable with several options if they have similar grades on the team's board. Adding more draft capital and still being able to land DL help in, say, the early 20s could be appealing.
  • Oregon defensive tackle Jamaree Caldwell and Ohio State nickel corner Jordan Han**** would be on my All-Underrated Team of draft prospects. Scouts have repeatedly brought up both players to me as great value picks and early contributors. Caldwell, who has great movement traits, is projected to be a third-round pick. Han****, who shows fluidity in his lower half and has 40 games of experience, could be selected as early as the fourth round. Don't be surprised if both get picked in the top 75.
Yates' notes:

  • Here are some players I have graded outside of Round 1 but have a chance to go late on Day 1: Iowa State wide receiver Jayden Higgins, Ohio State running back TreVeyon Henderson, Texas A&M edge Nic Scourton and UCLA linebacker Carson Schwesinger.
  • In talking to scouts, the closest positional rankings to sort out are likely in the tight end class. We all expect Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland to be the first two off the board -- perhaps both in the first half of Round 1 -- but a spirited debate has ensued about Mason Taylor (LSU) and Elijah Arroyo(Miami) as TE3. Taylor is the more well-rounded player with better blocking skills, while Arroyo is the more fluid and explosive option. The common sentiment from scouts is picking between the two will come down more to play-style preferences than talent.

Miller's notes:

  • As the draft approaches, Georgia center Jared Wilson is one of the hottest names in scouting communities. A one-year starter for the Bulldogs, he turned in an elite predraft circuit, including a ridiculous 4.84 in the 40-yard dash at 6-foot-3 and 310 pounds. Wilson also added a 32-inch vertical and a 9-foot-4 broad jump. His elite physical tools and agility show up on tape, putting him into late-Round 1 to early-Round 2 territory.
  • I've heard that the Kansas City Chiefs are actively looking to trade up in Round 1. They signed left tackle Jaylon Moore in free agency but were otherwise quiet, opting to re-sign their own versus hitting the open market. A move up in Round 1 would likely be for a long-term offensive tackle solution; I heard the goal would be to move in front of the Houston Texans (No. 25) and Los Angeles Rams (No. 26) if the Chiefs like a specific left tackle still on the board.
  • Speaking of trades, two teams that continue to come up as trade-back candidates are the Carolina Panthers (No. 8) and Minnesota Vikings (No. 24). The Panthers have nine total selections but could be tempted to trade back for more Day 2 picks, which they would use on the defensive line and at wide receiver. And Minnesota has the fewest picks this year with four, so it could be looking for more draft capital.
  • The Pittsburgh Steelers have done a ton of work on this talented running back group, according to scouting sources. Pittsburgh lost starter Najee Harris in free agency and returns Jaylen Warren, but the expectation around the league is the team will draft a running back. Pittsburgh doesn't have a second-round pick after trading it for wide receiver DK Metcalf, so this could be a Round 3 or Round 4 target.
 
They also had an article about drafting for need vs value, here’s the Dolphins section:
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13. Miami Dolphins

Miller's pick that fills a big need: Kelvin Banks Jr., OT, Texas

Miami faces a shuffle along the offensive line after the retirement of Terron Armstead. Banks could develop into an elite guard or play left tackle if 2024 second-round pick Patrick Paul doesn't pan out.

Reid's pick that gets best value: Jahdae Barron, CB, Texas

Barron's versatility would allow him to move all over the Dolphins' secondary. He is capable of playing on the outside or as a nickel. He picked off five passes last season.


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Article boy fetch me last years rankings from these guys for edge and tackle. This dudes rankings are pretty different compared to the general media, want to see his previous work and accuracy if possible.
 
Lmaoooo you crack me up…I gotta see if I can find some this is my first year subscribing to him.
Article boy fetch me last years rankings from these guys for edge and tackle. This dudes rankings are pretty different compared to the general media, want to see his previous work and accuracy if possible.
 
Here we go for edge posting tackle in a moment

1. DALLAS TURNER, Alabama (6-2 ½, 256, 4.43, 1): Third-year junior. “He’s a traditional 3-4 guy,” one scout said. “Some 4-3 teams won’t see him as valuable as 3-4 teams. He has huge pass-rush potential, and I say potential because he wasn’t a dominant pass rusher in college. But the upside, the body type, the length, bend and speed, it’s there. His wow plays are different than the other guys’ wow plays. It just jumps out on tape. Some teams will love his flexibility to play off the ball, to match up and run vertical with tight ends. If you stand him up and move him around he’ll have a lot of value. He has the potential to be the best pass rusher in the draft, but he hasn’t gotten there yet.” His 40 and vertical jump (40 ½ inches) were position-bests. It should be noted that he weighed 247 when he ran the 40 at the combine before scaling 256 at pro day. “He’s the No. 1 overall defensive player in the draft,” a second scout said. “You see some DeMarcus Ware traits in him. But it’s, like, ‘C’mon, man, give us more against the run, give us more every down.’” Others voiced a similar refrain. “He does have too much coast,” said a third scout. “He’ll piss you off. ‘Do it every down, please.’ He’s a top-5 pick when he turns it on. Then you watch him against South Florida (Sept. 16), their left tackle (Donovan Jennings) is a late pick or free agent, he almost shut Turner down. That bothered me.” Finished with 120 tackles (33 ½ for loss), 23 ½ sacks, two forced fumbles and one pass defensed. “I have problems with him because he doesn’t finish and he doesn’t tackle well,” a fourth scout said. “He’s a full-time player if he tackled well. Soft. They (he and Will Anderson) are not even comparable. Anderson played hard, played tough, played the run. This guy against the run, he just catches. He does have explosive takeoff as a pass rusher.” Arms were 34 3/8, hands were 9 7/8. “There’s some rawness there,” a fifth scout said. “What I liked most was in big moments — third and long, tight games — this guy showed up.” From Fort Lauderdale, Fla. “He’ll flash a big play every so often when they stunt him and he comes free,” said a sixth scout. “He just doesn’t have much distinguishing talent and and he’s not really productive. Off the edge he’s not really a silky-smooth moving guy. Against the run he’s not really rugged. Overall, I don’t see it. It’s Alabama. It’s the Alabama gift that keeps on giving.”

2. JARED VERSE, Florida State (6-4, 259, 4.58, 1): Transferred after three seasons from FCS Albany, which was his only scholarship opportunity in spring 2019. “Hard-charging, tough motherf’er,” one scout said. “Gonna be the loudest guy on the field. He went from the little pond to the big pond and it didn’t affect him.” Recorded 10 ½ sacks as a starter at Albany in 2021 before registering 18 in 25 games (22 starts) for the Seminoles. “He has a zero chance you’ll miss on him if he stays healthy,” a second scout said. “He’s steady eddie, similar to the Texas kid (Byron Murphy). He’s not as fast as he ran at the combine because I think he dropped a lot of weight to run that 40 time. He was 254 and ran (4.58). Realistically, he’s a 265-pound guy that will run 4.7, which is plenty good. He’s an ass-kicker. Only thing he doesn’t have that’s a little concerning is he can’t win with just a straight fastball. He’s got to set up his rush on the outside to win. Whether it’s a counter, his hand use, a grab and jerk … you like those guys that win all three ways. Whether it’s just bursting off the edge and bending, going through with power or inside counter. He’s got 2 ½. Great kid.” Finished with 162 tackles (50 ½ for loss), 32 ½ sacks, two forced fumbles and five passes defensed. “The talent, you’ve seen better, but it’s still really good,” a third scout said. “Now you add this guy’s edge and it’s why people are really latching onto this guy. You need guys on your team like that. You need physicality on your roster.” Arms were 33 ½, hands were 9 7/8. His 31 reps on the bench led the position. “Not a top talent but I like the way he played,” a fourth scout said. “He’s rugged. Got a lot of energy. Against the run, he’s got some jolt and energy to him. As a pass rusher, he’s not really a guy trying to beat you off the edge with moves. He’s more, ‘I’m gonna keep coming with second effort.’ Really good at stunts. He’s got a little bit of power, too. He brings it all the time and wears people out. That (Clay Matthews) is a good kind of comparison.” From Berwick, Pa.

3. LAIATU LATU, UCLA (6-4 ½, 267, 4.65, 1): A master of the fine points of sacking quarterbacks. “Thing that stood out to me was he’s got a big-time outside swim and he does everything off it,” one scout said. “As he’s working your edge his feet and lower body are always moving. He’s so damn reactive and always making progress toward the quarterback. He has a plan. He has incredible feel on how he’s going to get there. You have to respect his speed. Then he's got a great long arm (stab) where he leans into your inside number. He walks guys back like they were little boys on some clips. His speed’s going to have to be respected. He’ll get tackles moving.” In November 2020 he suffered a neck injury in practice during his second season at Washington and underwent surgery. He was forced to medically retire in spring 2021. He departed for Westwood in January 2022 after finding a third-party doctor to pass him. Played all 25 games in 2022-’23 “without sticking his neck in the noise,” one scout said. Another executive said: “That’s 100% true. He’s been retrained how not to use his neck. You can see that the way he plays the game … People will get scared about his medical. There will probably be about a third of the league that kind of pulls him off the board because of the neck fusion.” The league’s ban on hip-drop tackles also might affect Latu. “He doesn’t do it as much but that’s kind of how he tackles guys,” a fourth scout said. “Like rugby. He’s not leading with his head. It’s more wrap and pull them down. I don’t know if subconsciously he does that but two months after neck surgery he played club rugby. A professional rugby team wanted to sign him.” Finished with 101 tackles (35 ½ for loss), 24 sacks, five forced fumbles and six passes defensed. “This guy looks like a lawyer in pads,” a fifth scout said. “He’s got kind of wide hips. Not smooth muscled. Not overly long, not overly developed. But he’s got a knack for rushing the passer.” Arms were 32 5/8, hands were 9 5/8. “He’s a little different,” the scout said. “There’s a lot of emotional baggage. There’s certain teams that won’t really care for the personality. This guy’s a little unique. He looks kind of pedestrian but he can shorten the corner. And he always plays hard.” From Sacramento,

4. CHOP ROBINSON, Penn State (6-3, 255, 4.51, 1): Third-year junior spent 2021 at Maryland and 2022-’23 in Happy Valley. “Love him,” one scout said. “I see Chop every bit as good as Turner. Sky’s the limit. He’s why coaches get paid. Now you’ve got some work to do with him. You get annoyed because he doesn’t have a (lot) of production this year (four sacks, 15 tackles in 10 starts) but he only played 50% of their defensive snaps. They rotate the hell out of guys.” Able to rush equally well from both sides. “Must be an ambidextrous kid,” a second scout said. “I’m telling you, you don’t find that. He’s got a burst off the edge that’s rare. This is one of the few players you will ever see that can slip and dip and make the L move at the proper angle and depth of the quarterback, and he can do it from the left and right sides. And he can play the run. He’s not a hit-and-shed guy. He’s an escape guy. He runs off blocks. He doesn’t defeat blocks but he’s so quick and athletic he doesn’t have to beat on ‘em. He can escape and pursue down the line. This is what everybody’s looking for.” His 10-8 broad jump tied for the longest at the position. “He’s sudden, explosive, plays his ass off,” a third scout said. “Michigan couldn’t block him; they couldn’t even get their hands on him. That’s exactly why they started running the ball every play.” Started 11 of 35 games, finishing with 60 tackles (20 for loss), 11 ½ sacks, three forced fumbles and three passes defensed. “This Chop Robinson is the most overrated player in the draft,” a fourth scout said. “The comp is Bryce Huff. He’s the perfect example of a guy running a (fast) 40-yard dash. The way he’s being talked about, I thought they were talking about Lawrence Taylor. It makes no sense to me. If you told me third or fourth round, I’d get it. But first round? He's not even very big. Michigan ran right at that kid and he had no answer.” Arms were 32 ½, hands were 9 1/8. “He’s like Myles Garrett,” said a fifth scout. “He has the most potential but he doesn’t finish. He just doesn’t make plays.” From Gaithersburg, Md. “He reminded me of Haason Reddick and that (Arnold) Ebiketie that came out of Penn State (second round, 2022) and has been doing well at Atlanta,” a sixth scout said.
 
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The University of Texas has a rich tradition of defensive tackles. Sixteen have been selected in the first three rounds since the NFL common draft originated in 1967, including four in the first.

On Thursday, there’s a chance that Byron Murphy will be the first player on defense to be picked. His Longhorns teammate inside for the last three years, T’Vondre Sweat, is a wild card with high-round ability.

The combination of Murphy, the hard-charging 3-technique, and the massive, talented, troubled Sweat is reminiscent of a generation ago when Texas produced its last pair of defensive tackles to land in the first two rounds.

That was 2001, when Casey Hampton went in the first (No. 19) to the Pittsburgh Steelers before Shaun Rogers was chosen late in the second (No. 61) by the Detroit Lions.

Hampton would go on to make five Pro Bowls, more than any other UT defensive tackle, and Rogers would make three. Hampton has been on the fringes of making the Hall of Fame for several years.

What links the Murphy-Sweat duo with Hampton & Rogers is the similarities in the two relationships.

Murphy, who graduated in three years, found it difficult playing with Sweat, who was forever overweight and out of shape as he bounced from party to party. Their relationship was strained, to say the least.

From 1997-’00, Hampton and Rogers were a tag team at Texas. An overachiever who always played hard, Hampton found dealing with Rogers more than just a slight challenge.

“Rogers has a weight problem and is a lazy ass,” an executive in personnel for an NFC team told me not long before the draft in 2001. “Not that he’s a bad kid. You just got to kick him in the ass a lot. Hampton kicked him in the ass.”

Hampton rubbed some people the wrong way with what scouts suggested was his ****y, overbearing approach. Murphy isn’t said to exhibit those qualities.

Rogers’ senior season in Austin was ruined by the high-ankle sprain that he suffered in late September. He played hurt, underwent surgery when tests showed the bones weren’t aligned properly and showed up at the combine in a wheelchair.

“There’s times it’s like a man playing with kids, he can dominate that much,” said Billy Devaney, the San Diego Chargers’ personnel director. “But his reputation is that he’s not a hard worker.”

DEFENSIVE TACKLES

1. BYRON MURPHY, Texas (6-0 ½, 306, 4.90, 1): Third-year junior. “He’s built kind of like Grady Jarrett,” said one scout. “He’s got qualities like Christian Wilkins and a little bit like Kenny Clark. He’s smaller than Kenny Clark because he’s short but he’s compact, really explosive and has good hands. He fits the mold of what some some successful defensive tackles look like.” Played in a rotation with NFL draftees Keondre Coburn and Moro Ojomo and alongside starter T’Vondre Sweat in 2021-’22 before starting in ’23. “Justin Madubuike is probably the best comparison,” a second scout said. “He would have been in the first round (in 2020) if he didn’t have all the character stuff. I like Byron’s tape better than Ed Oliver’s. He’s much better than Grady Jarrett. He can play 3-(technique) or nose. He can two-gap if you need him to. As good a motor as you’ll see on an interior player. As a pass rusher, he can go through with power and he has legit edge ability, which you wouldn’t think he has the way he’s built. He’s a hard block for a guard because you can’t just (sit) on his bull because he’ll go right around you. If you protect your edges he’ll get underneath you and leverage you and bull your ass back to the quarterback. A-plus character. Great kid.” Arms measured 32 3/8 inches, hands were 10 ¼. “He’s going to be like Casey Hampton,” a third scout said. “I don’t know if he’s as strong as Casey Hampton but he sure looks like it. Hampton was a (nose tackle) but he had movement skills, too. This kid has unbelievable movement skills.” Finished with 70 tackles (15 for loss) and eight sacks. “I really believe he has to be a penetrator and a one-gapper,” said a fourth scout. “He can get in creases. Not that he’s not strong at the point; he’s more about hitting a gap and disrupting. If a team asked him to two-gap, stay square, hold the point, that’s just not his thing. He’s not very big and he doesn’t play very big. He is athletically driven. Maybe only half the league would want this guy because of scheme. Yeah, he might go top 15 but I had a hard time loving the guy.” Took about 10 snaps as a goal-line fullback and scored two touchdowns. “Don’t laugh,” said one scout. “He was killing dudes. He’s going to be a hammer fullback on goal-line. He’ll do that 100% (in the NFL).” From DeSoto, Texas.

2. JOHNNY NEWTON, Illinois (6-1 ½, 304, no 40, 1-2): Fourth-year senior, three-year starter mainly as a 3-technique. ”High motor,’ said one scout. “Lacks some length but compensates with good quickness, burst and power in both phases (run and pass). Has the physical tools to disrupt and see the field early. Just the size holds you back, but he doesn’t necessarily play to that. He’ll be a solid starter.” Arms were 32 3/8, hands were 9 ½. “He can really use his hands,” a second scout said. “His hands and feet are tied together, particularly as a rusher. He’s a little stiff and not real big, but he has a knack for rushing the passer.” Finished with 187 tackles (28 for loss) and 17 ½ sacks. “If you put him in a penetrating scheme he can change the line of scrimmage,” said a third scout. “He can play square and two-gap equally good. All 32 teams looking for a defensive lineman will find this guy as a fit. He absolutely has quickness and athleticism. He’s very, very strong at the point, and he can find the football where some guys don’t make any plays. Jordan Davis, the Georgia kid, didn’t make any plays.” Played hurt down the stretch in 2023 and underwent surgery on his foot in January. “It’s the infamous Jones fracture,” said a fourth scout. “Fifth metatarsal is one of the worst injuries you can have coming out because it is so highly likely to reoccur. Our doctors would say take those guys off the board … He plays a style that’s a big man’s game. He can use extension, press, shed and get to the ball. He plays high pads. His shin angles and ankle stiffness really show up. He’s an awesome college football player whose game does not translate ideally to the NFL. I don’t think he’ll be a failure because he’s instinctive and knows how to play the game.” From St. Petersburg, Fla.

3. DARIUS ROBINSON, Missouri (6-5, 285, 4.97, 1-2): Half the league probably views him as an edge player, half the league probably views him as a 3-4 defensive end/sub interior pass rusher. “He’s determined to be great,” said one scout. “That’s what I love about him, and it’s all real. He comes from (bleep).” Didn’t play high-school football in Canton, Mich., until his junior year. “This sucker might have the highest ceiling in the whole draft,” said a second scout. “The build, the talent. You watch him in the SEC, they line him up over tight ends in a 6-technique and he beats the **** out of that tight end. Kind of like Wayne Simmons back in the Brent Jones era. You say, ‘Holy smokes, they might throw him in prison for that.’ He is physical and violent.” Led the position in vertical jump (35 inches) and hand size (10 5/8). Arms were 34 ½. “He’s an edge rusher all day,” a third scout said. “He is violent. Plays his ass off. He’s gonna be really productive. He can win outside with a 4.97 40 because he can kick your ass. He’s got enough get-off. He’ll win because he’s got 34-inch arms and (big) hands. He’s as good a grab-and-jerk pass rusher as there in the draft … I can’t see him playing inside at all. He’s too stiff to be an every-down 5-technique.” Starting 30 of 47 games, he finished with 111 tackles (21 for loss) and 13 sacks. “He was real average and not productive at all as a tackle,” a fourth scout said. “As an end, the 290 can come into play as he sets the edge. He was a bit of an underachiever. Kind of body beautiful. The more you did, the less you like. He’s just a straight-line bull rusher.” From Southfield, Mich.

4. KRIS JENKINS, Michigan (6-2 ½, 301, 4.95, 2): Made 33 starts over four seasons. “Like that kid but he don’t make any plays in the pass or the run,” one scout said. “It’s all technique for him. He’s consistent. His weakness is his instincts. He doesn’t have Cullen Jenkins’ instincts. Cullen Jenkins is way better.” Cullen Jenkins (6-3, 305), his uncle, played 13 seasons for four teams and had 49 sacks. His father, Kris (6-4, 360), made four Pro Bowls from 2001-’10. “His old man was a beast,” said a second scout. “Amazing thing is, his old man was a whack job where this kid is a phenomenal kid. He was banged up at the end of the year. He’s too good of an athlete to drop too far.” Meager stat line showed 112 tackles (eight for loss), four sacks, one pass defensed and no forced fumbles. “At the end he was their third best defensive lineman,” a third scout said. “Their other two guys (Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant) were much better. I was kind of disappointed.” Arms were 34, hands were 9 3/8. “His effort and his play is so consistent,” said a third scout. “Not consistently amazing but every snap looks the same. You almost get bored watching this kid because he does the same thing every game. Isn’t that what we all want? He’ll be a functional starter. He’s got to play in one-gap scheme. If you just ask this guy to take on double teams he’ll struggle. I don’t think he’ll be a special rusher but he’ll be a good rusher. He plays hard.” From Olney, Md. “Just a try-hard guy,” a fourth scout said. “Knows how to play. Really not much of a factor. He’s fair. He probably makes it because of his dad but I didn’t see starter talent.”

5. BRADEN FISKE, Florida State (6-3 ½, 293, 4.76, 2): Played the 2023 season in Tallahassee after five years at Western Michigan. “I liked him way more this year than what I saw last year,” one scout said. “He took the money and improved his stock.” After a six-sack season for the Seminoles he was impressive at the Senior Bowl and aced the combine. “It always happens to a couple guys every year,” said a second scout. “He’s the one guy that won the process over in the spring. People fell in love with the workout. I think he’ll get overdrafted in the second (round). He’d be a great pick in the third.” His broad jump of 9-9 led the position. “He’s a determined, relentless athlete,” said a third scout. “His father’s a steelworker, his mom is blue collar. He’s f--king determined to win. Everybody talks about (FSU DE Jared) Verse but this guy has more of a motor than Verse. He challenges (Verse) every day at practice to be great. This kid is a winner.” Finished with 191 tackles (36 ½ for loss) and 19 ½ sacks. “I could watch the film all day long,” a fourth scout said. “You talk about passion. The negative is, hey, where’d he come from? He’s a transfer guy from the MAC so he’s a little bit late to the scene. I think this guy is destined for the first round.” His arms measured 31, the shortest at the position. Hands were 9 3/8. “We sit in meetings and say, ‘Length, length, length,’” said a fifth scout. “The guy’s got 31-inch arms. You know what you’re getting. Meat and potatoes guy. He ran fast. I’m not as high on him as maybe the league.” From Michigan City, Ind. “Now he’s a little older (will be 25 in January) and has an injury history so you’ve got to take that into account,” said a sixth scout. “But he fits bottom of the first. You could compare him to Kyle Williams because of his size and movement and angles and twisting the body and hand use. But this guy was more explosive than Kyle Williams. His weren’t manufactured workout numbers. You see the explosiveness on tape.
 
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Here’s his Patrick Paul and Jaylen Wright writeups

11. PATRICK PAUL, Houston (6-7 ½, 332, 5.18, 2-3): Longest arms at the position (36 ¼). “He’s an interesting guy because of his length,” said one scout. “He’s a left tackle-right tackle. He’s got just a unique, interesting way of playing. His hand placement is not great but he gets the job done. There’s some upside there from a physical tools standpoint. Second-third round type.” Lightly recruited out of Houston, Paul stayed home for college. He won the LT job in his second season (2020) but an ankle injury cost him the final six games. Started 39 games at LT from 2021-’23. “When is the last time the University of Houston had an offensive tackle?” said a second scout. “You’ve got to go back to the New England guy, Sebastian Vollmer, and that’s a long time ago (2009-’16).” Hands were just 9 3/8. “Fool’s gold,” a third scout said. “I just don’t see it. I don’t see the combative spirit.

4. JAYLEN WRIGHT, Tennessee (5-10 ½, 210, 4.38, 3): Third-year junior led the Volunteers in rushing the past two seasons in an Air Raid offense. “He’s a slippery, darter-type runner that is highly efficient,” one scout said. “Has speed, quickness and vengeance. Will finish runs. He’s tough. Not into dodging when the picture becomes cloudy. Can elude in tight spaces. Can get to daylight. Not a punishing runner but very proficient with his style. Functional as a receiver but not as a blocker. His weakness would be the power to move piles and break tackles, pass pro and routes.” Fastest back in the draft. “More of a big-play, straight-line guy,” said a second scout. “Does have good hands. Of all the backs, this guy might be the most explosive. He’s not elusive.” Finished with 368 carries for 2,297 (6.2) and 18 TDs plus 30 receptions. His 7.4 average in 2023 led FBS. “He’s fast but I’m not going there,” a third scout said. Led the top 25 backs in the broad jump (11-2). From Durham, NC
 
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Seems pretty well respected and legit, also correct more often than not compared to most

Congratulations are in order to our main man on the NFL Draft, the great Bob McGinn.

You all caught his penetrating pre-draft coverage at Go Long, which included his annual Top 100 board. Well, each year since 2009, McGinn has submitted this top 100 to “The Huddle Report.” And for the fifth time, he has earned the No. 1 spot by nailing 86 of the top 100.

The full results are posted right here on The Huddle Report’s website. This year, there were a total of 66 submissions. McGinn’s five-year average is 86.0.

ICYMI, here is who McGinn predicted would go in the top 100.

He also took first in 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2019 and tied for second place twice (2010 and 2020).
 
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Went back even further, starts off at 2022 draft. Ezukamna didn’t make the cut at WR that year. Cam Smith was just a bad pick unless he makes a serious turn around this year, not sure why they are drafting divas when we have the biggest diva in the NFL in Reek already on the team. Seems like Smith was already getting a reputation as a crybaby to the point a few teams took him off their board.

Oh Grier you silly little man.

9. CHANNING TINDALL, Georgia (6-2, 228, 4.50, 3): Played 50 games in four seasons but never had a start. “They rotate their linebackers just like their defensive linemen,” said one scout. “You can feel his speed, not only see it. Going sideline to sideline. Explosive collision tackler. Strikes with force. Uncoils on blocks. Not a real big guy, but plays bigger than he is. He can run vertically with tight ends and backs. Has some special-team value because he played it (all four years). Second round is where he ends up. Mike and will flex.” His 42-inch vertical led the position. “He gets locked on a guy and it’s over,” said a second scout. “When he arrives he is not in a pleasant disposition. His issue is he’s not smart. You just worry about him mentally. Might end up being a one-spot guy.” Finished with 108 tackles (16 for loss) and 12 sacks. His best season was last season. “That dude’s going early because he can run,” a third scout said. “He’s going to be like Bobby Wagner or somebody. You hope and pray it clicks when he gets to the NFL.” Wonderlic was 20. “He worked out crazy like all those Georgia guys did,” said a fourth scout. “They use him to do one thing: run in a straight line. That’s all the guy does. They blitz him straight line. He runs over there in a straight line. They drop him to a spot. He plays hard and can run, but this guy doesn’t have instincts, he’s stiff and he’s small. All those Georgia guys play their ass off. He’d be a late (round) guy for me.” From Columbia,

7. CAM SMITH, South Carolina (6-0 ½, 183, 4.37, 1-2): Started 19 of 33 games over four seasons. Probably lined up as much in the slot as outside. “Thin-framed guy,” one scout said. “Smooth, twitchy athlete. Good speed, and I really like his instincts. He can match up with top receivers. Not the strongest guy. Not a real physical guy. Not great in the run game.” Finished with 91 tackles, six picks and 24 PBUs. “He can play,” a second scout said. “He’s just a little bit of a live wire. Emotional would be a safe word to (describe) him.” Scouts from five teams expressed reservations about his makeup. “Diva, high maintenance,” said one scout. “Just not good enough to deal with all his bullshit.” One team removed him from their draft board. “He’s got anger-management issues,” said a third scout. “Be hard to coach this guy.” Wonderlic of 20. “He’s a good athlete — just undisciplined,” a fourth scout said. “He is talented. Second round. Too many good corners ahead of him.” From Blythewood, S.C.

5. DEVON ACHANE, Texas A&M (5-8 ½, 189, 4.30, 2-3): Third-year junior. “Quick, tough, aggressive,” said one scout. “Has really good hands. He will step up and chip block and stick his nose in there, but he gets run over a lot. Has open-field elusiveness.” Posted 19 on the Wonderlic, the best score among the top 10 backs. “He’s a small back that runs like a big back,” a second scout said. “He is as fast as they come. Got contact balance. A lot of these small backs that are as fast as he is have a tendency to bounce everything outside. This guy, for a small back, puts his foot in the ground and gets it up inside the tackles. He’s not always trying to outrun the edge; he’s going forward. A rotational guy. He’s not too far behind the Alabama kid (Gibbs).” Finished with 369 carries for 2,376 (6.4) and 21 TDs plus 65 receptions and 5 TDs. “Pure gimmick speed guy,” said a third scout. “Can catch the ball out of the backfield. Everybody likes him because he ran so fast but he’s a gimmick guy. He’s not a real runner. He’s a midget. This is the National Football League.” From Missouri City, Texas.


And the player I think we all wanted over Tindall that year and went the next pick to the Chiefs

6. LEO CHENAL, Wisconsin (6-2 ½, 249, 4.62, 3): Two-year starter declared a year early. “If he’s in an old classic 3-4, thump-the-crap-out-of-them scheme, he’ll be fine,” one scout said. “I don’t know about the coverage and the range stuff. He needs to be playing downhill. He’s big and thick. All that muscle is manufactured. It does affect him when he’s going backwards. I think fourth round is his sweet spot.” Executed punishing, well-timed blitzes beautifully in 2021 when he notched eight of his 12 sacks. “Team MVP,” another scout said. “They said he played in the 260s during the season. Tested well. Very competitive. Plays with a high motor. Shows heavy hands to shock and slip blocks. Strong wrap (tackler) and can deliver a blow. Really effective as a blitzer either coming from depth at linebacker or when he’d mug up in an ’A’ gap. Has coverage concerns in zones. Sucked up on play-action. Lack of ball production in coverage (two passes defensed). More of a starting two-down, old-school Mike. He brings blitz ability, but I’d have to see more development in coverage to play on third down. Third or fourth round. I don’t want to say these guys are dinosaurs per se but …” Finished with 181 tackles (26 ½ for loss). “Struggles to change directions in coverage,” a third scout said. “Struggled flipping his hips. I wouldn’t want him in man. He’s right on the fringe of being a starter, but I do think he is.” Posted the highest Wonderlic (34) of the top 30 linebackers. “He could do some things on third down,” a fourth scout said. “But I don’t think he’ll be the guy calling the defense.” From Grantsburg, Wis.
 
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Went back even further, starts off at 2022 draft. Ezukamna didn’t make the cut at WR that year. Cam Smith was just a bad pick unless he makes a serious turn around this year, not sure why they are drafting divas when we have the biggest diva in the NFL in Reek already on the team. Seems like Smith was already getting a reputation as a crybaby to the point a few teams took him off their board.

Oh Grier you silly little man.

9. CHANNING TINDALL, Georgia (6-2, 228, 4.50, 3): Played 50 games in four seasons but never had a start. “They rotate their linebackers just like their defensive linemen,” said one scout. “You can feel his speed, not only see it. Going sideline to sideline. Explosive collision tackler. Strikes with force. Uncoils on blocks. Not a real big guy, but plays bigger than he is. He can run vertically with tight ends and backs. Has some special-team value because he played it (all four years). Second round is where he ends up. Mike and will flex.” His 42-inch vertical led the position. “He gets locked on a guy and it’s over,” said a second scout. “When he arrives he is not in a pleasant disposition. His issue is he’s not smart. You just worry about him mentally. Might end up being a one-spot guy.” Finished with 108 tackles (16 for loss) and 12 sacks. His best season was last season. “That dude’s going early because he can run,” a third scout said. “He’s going to be like Bobby Wagner or somebody. You hope and pray it clicks when he gets to the NFL.” Wonderlic was 20. “He worked out crazy like all those Georgia guys did,” said a fourth scout. “They use him to do one thing: run in a straight line. That’s all the guy does. They blitz him straight line. He runs over there in a straight line. They drop him to a spot. He plays hard and can run, but this guy doesn’t have instincts, he’s stiff and he’s small. All those Georgia guys play their ass off. He’d be a late (round) guy for me.” From Columbia,

7. CAM SMITH, South Carolina (6-0 ½, 183, 4.37, 1-2): Started 19 of 33 games over four seasons. Probably lined up as much in the slot as outside. “Thin-framed guy,” one scout said. “Smooth, twitchy athlete. Good speed, and I really like his instincts. He can match up with top receivers. Not the strongest guy. Not a real physical guy. Not great in the run game.” Finished with 91 tackles, six picks and 24 PBUs. “He can play,” a second scout said. “He’s just a little bit of a live wire. Emotional would be a safe word to (describe) him.” Scouts from five teams expressed reservations about his makeup. “Diva, high maintenance,” said one scout. “Just not good enough to deal with all his bullshit.” One team removed him from their draft board. “He’s got anger-management issues,” said a third scout. “Be hard to coach this guy.” Wonderlic of 20. “He’s a good athlete — just undisciplined,” a fourth scout said. “He is talented. Second round. Too many good corners ahead of him.” From Blythewood, S.C.

5. DEVON ACHANE, Texas A&M (5-8 ½, 189, 4.30, 2-3): Third-year junior. “Quick, tough, aggressive,” said one scout. “Has really good hands. He will step up and chip block and stick his nose in there, but he gets run over a lot. Has open-field elusiveness.” Posted 19 on the Wonderlic, the best score among the top 10 backs. “He’s a small back that runs like a big back,” a second scout said. “He is as fast as they come. Got contact balance. A lot of these small backs that are as fast as he is have a tendency to bounce everything outside. This guy, for a small back, puts his foot in the ground and gets it up inside the tackles. He’s not always trying to outrun the edge; he’s going forward. A rotational guy. He’s not too far behind the Alabama kid (Gibbs).” Finished with 369 carries for 2,376 (6.4) and 21 TDs plus 65 receptions and 5 TDs. “Pure gimmick speed guy,” said a third scout. “Can catch the ball out of the backfield. Everybody likes him because he ran so fast but he’s a gimmick guy. He’s not a real runner. He’s a midget. This is the National Football League.” From Missouri City, Texas.


And the player I think we all wanted over Tindall that year and went the next pick to the Chiefs

6. LEO CHENAL, Wisconsin (6-2 ½, 249, 4.62, 3): Two-year starter declared a year early. “If he’s in an old classic 3-4, thump-the-crap-out-of-them scheme, he’ll be fine,” one scout said. “I don’t know about the coverage and the range stuff. He needs to be playing downhill. He’s big and thick. All that muscle is manufactured. It does affect him when he’s going backwards. I think fourth round is his sweet spot.” Executed punishing, well-timed blitzes beautifully in 2021 when he notched eight of his 12 sacks. “Team MVP,” another scout said. “They said he played in the 260s during the season. Tested well. Very competitive. Plays with a high motor. Shows heavy hands to shock and slip blocks. Strong wrap (tackler) and can deliver a blow. Really effective as a blitzer either coming from depth at linebacker or when he’d mug up in an ’A’ gap. Has coverage concerns in zones. Sucked up on play-action. Lack of ball production in coverage (two passes defensed). More of a starting two-down, old-school Mike. He brings blitz ability, but I’d have to see more development in coverage to play on third down. Third or fourth round. I don’t want to say these guys are dinosaurs per se but …” Finished with 181 tackles (26 ½ for loss). “Struggles to change directions in coverage,” a third scout said. “Struggled flipping his hips. I wouldn’t want him in man. He’s right on the fringe of being a starter, but I do think he is.” Posted the highest Wonderlic (34) of the top 30 linebackers. “He could do some things on third down,” a fourth scout said. “But I don’t think he’ll be the guy calling the defense.” From Grantsburg, Wis.
Good job grier,cam smith lacks a physical presence when playing ball and has an attitude problem, sure why not Putz.

Tindall was an easy bust projection not sure how our guy that makes millions couldn’t see it
 
Tackles in true pass play sets:

Remember that true pass sets are pass-blocking plays that exclude plays with less than four rushers, play action, screens, short dropbacks and throws that are released in under two seconds. True pass sets give us the best idea of how good a pass blocker is when the offense isn’t relying on anything gimmicky.

For this list, we will just be focusing on the players featured on the PFF big board.

If Wyatt Milum had longer arms, he would be talked about as a slam dunk first-round pick due to how productive he’s been at West Virginia. Unfortunately, his arms measured in at 32 ⅛ inches, which ranks in the eighth percentile at the position, so a move to guard is likely in his NFL future, hurting his draft stock in the process. That being said, Milum’s pass-blocking grade on true pass sets is over 10 PFF grading points higher than the next closest tackle in this year’s class, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that whichever team that drafts him doesn’t at least try him at tackle first.

It’s a shame Josh Simmons’ 2024 season was cut short due to injury because he was absolutely dominant on true pass sets, allowing just one pressure on 49 such snaps for a 99.0 pass block efficiency rating, best amongst players on the PFF's big board. His replacement, Donovan Jackson, struggled on true pass sets to the tune of a 46.5 grade, the lowest amongst tackles on the PFF big board. To Jackson’s credit, though, he is a guard by trade and was playing out of position for much of the season. Luckily for Ohio State, it didn’t come back to bite them as they won their first national championship in a decade.

A projected first-round pick, Kelvin Banks Jr. is another dominant pass protector who more than held his own in his first year against SEC pass-rushers. On 142 true pass sets, Banks allowed just four pressures, with zero sacks or QB hits allowed.

I like Milum at 48. I think he would be a plug and play LG for us and if Paul falters we could give Milum a try at LT.
 
They also had an article about drafting for need vs value, here’s the Dolphins section:
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13. Miami Dolphins

Miller's pick that fills a big need: Kelvin Banks Jr., OT, Texas

Miami faces a shuffle along the offensive line after the retirement of Terron Armstead. Banks could develop into an elite guard or play left tackle if 2024 second-round pick Patrick Paul doesn't pan out.

Reid's pick that gets best value: Jahdae Barron, CB, Texas

Barron's versatility would allow him to move all over the Dolphins' secondary. He is capable of playing on the outside or as a nickel. He picked off five passes last season.


If anyone wants the full article PM me
I don't want an OL at 13 especially since we would most likely be looking at drafting an IOL.

I think we could get about as good of an IOL at 48.

For instance I think taking Milum at 48 is much better value than taking Banks at 13.

Both were college OT's who project to move to IOL in the NFL.
 
I like Milum but I definitely think we can get him at 98 or MAYBE 116 but I doubt he lasts that long.
You really think he is going to fall that far? I have seen his stock dropping from the 40s a few weeks ago to the 70s now.

I don't think he is there at 98.

What I would really like to do is trade down from 13 and acquire an extra mid 3rd round pick and draft Milum there.

Take Grant or Harmon in the late teens to around 20.

Draft a DB at 48 or maybe even trade up if Amos were to fall a bit.

Then take Milum in the mid 3rd.

Then Mukuba at 98.

That would be a home run draft addressing all of our major needs.
 
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