PFF Tannehill analysis (3rd Ranked Passer)

[Tannenbombs]

To any moderators for this site reading this post, can we please delete all threads with the words "PFF" or "Pro Football Focus" Those guys are ****ing morons. Or can we at least make a PFF forum so we don't have to be bombarded with this non-sense?

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Disagree with me by all means, but don't patronise me. I've been watching Russell Wilson since he was in NC State. I feel like an ass for having to say that, but please don't project on me what I think or don't think about him or anyone else.

For what it's worth, I agree with you in general. Russell has the luxury in Seattle of not having to always be good and they still have a run game and a great D to lean on. But people also use that to undervalue just what that kid achieves with his offense. It's not like his or the team's passing stats are poor, even with the limited gameplan they ask him to run, even though defenses have a lot easier a time keying the Seattle system because it isn't wildly complicated. He also help Lynch's run game by running the read option well.

What makes Russell good is that he does what he's supposed to do, he puts the ball where it needs to be more often than not and - when it's needed - he makes that throw or finds that receiver that keeps the drive/game alive. I'm sure he's very grateful that others can step up in his place, but he's also demonstrated that he can be that guy. It's not gaudy, he's not perfect, but he's very dependable when he's needed to be.

Tannehill would love guys to step up for him when he's off. He can thank Jeff Ireland and Joe Philbin that there really isn't anybody (bar Moreno hopefully and Clay when he's recovered fully). It's a harder job to be more heavily relied upon, for sure. But when a receiver does produce something special, like Wallace getting the jump on Graham in single coverage deep downfield, Ryan has to hold up his end of the bargain and hit him. That's the QBs job. That's why they get mollycoddled and adulated, don't get rotated in games and that's why they get the big bucks.

The Buffalo game wasn't on Tannehill by any means. But if your guy can't make something happen, inject the momentum, get the mojo working, then he's just a system piece like any other roster player and we should talk about him at the level he merits, like we would Brandon Gibson or Reshad Jones.

Don't talk about silly things like "magic" and you won't get patronized. I'm not taking away from what Wilson has achieved, but ignoring the fact that he is asked to do less under much better circumstances is just wrong. Every defense Wilson faces is geared to stop the running game first. He is not throwing into the types of coverages that Tannehill is. On 3rd and 10, Seattle is more likely to run it or throw a screen pass. Tannehill is asked to throw an 11 yard pass into coverage when a 4 man rush is getting pressure.

The NE game was a prime example of what happens when Tannehill gets the support that Wilson gets every week. With a good running game and good defense, they thrashed a very good team. Get back to me when that happens more that once or twice a season.

 

[Fin Thirteen]

Don't talk about silly things like "magic" and you won't get patronized. I'm not taking away from what Wilson has achieved, but ignoring the fact that he is asked to do less under much better circumstances is just wrong. Every defense Wilson faces is geared to stop the running game first. He is not throwing into the types of coverages that Tannehill is. On 3rd and 10, Seattle is more likely to run it or throw a screen pass. Tannehill is asked to throw an 11 yard pass into coverage when a 4 man rush is getting pressure.

The NE game was a prime example of what happens when Tannehill gets the support that Wilson gets every week. With a good running game and good defense, they thrashed a very good team. Get back to me when that happens more that once or twice a season.

a) I didn't ignore the fact he's asked to do less. I referred to it directly and repeatedly. Try reading my post first.
b) The NE game was a great example of a team winning while the QB plays quite poorly. Get back to me when the QB starts playing well.

I'm not going to engage any further with you. You're annoying me.

 

[Wallace17Miami]

Don't talk about silly things like "magic" and you won't get patronized. I'm not taking away from what Wilson has achieved, but ignoring the fact that he is asked to do less under much better circumstances is just wrong. Every defense Wilson faces is geared to stop the running game first. He is not throwing into the types of coverages that Tannehill is. On 3rd and 10, Seattle is more likely to run it or throw a screen pass. Tannehill is asked to throw an 11 yard pass into coverage when a 4 man rush is getting pressure.

The NE game was a prime example of what happens when Tannehill gets the support that Wilson gets every week. With a good running game and good defense, they thrashed a very good team. Get back to me when that happens more that once or twice a season.

Not true :lol2:

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a) I didn't ignore the fact he's asked to do less. I referred to it directly and repeatedly. Try reading my post first.
b) The NE game was a great example of a team winning while the QB plays quite poorly. Get back to me when the QB starts playing well.

I'm not going to engage any further with you. You're annoying me.

FinFan will never understand this. Or admit to any of this. he still thinks Tannehill had a great game against the pats.

 

[hoops]

all i know is russell wilsons balls placement on routes down the sideline etc is pretty damn bang on...that kids on target...i'm just waiting for that doug flutie turn your back to the pass rush and circle back around stuff to catch up with him...he's gonna roll into a massive blind side decleater one day playing that playground stuff...

 

[GasPed]

To any moderators for this site reading this post, can we please delete all threads with the words "PFF" or "Pro Football Focus" Those guys are ****ing morons. Or can we at least make a PFF forum so we don't have to be bombarded with this non-sense?

I don't think your grounds for deleting PFF threads (i.e. the PFF guys are all ****ing morons and their material in nonsense) is necessarily a consensus view. In fact, the debate about it is what makes for a lively forum, don't you think?

You know, grading every player on every play is not going to be an exact science, but I think they do a reasonably good job. Summing up all the numbers from every play to get a game rating actually gives a very useful perspective too - i.e. if T-hill does great for 80% of his plays, the PFF rating helps us keep sight of that, rather than focus on the 20% that he messed up on. But at the end of the day it's only one perspective, one summed up number that can hardly tell the whole story (just like QBR). We should all try not to get too bent about it.

 

[BlueFin]

To any moderators for this site reading this post, can we please delete all threads with the words "PFF" or "Pro Football Focus" Those guys are ****ing morons. Or can we at least make a PFF forum so we don't have to be bombarded with this non-sense?

Don't you think that position is a little extreme?...Nazi like?

What if we deemed your thoughts or any other posters thoughts "moronic"...or "nonsense"?....Should they be deleted or should we give you a "special" forum so your thoughts and ideas could be trivialized?

Not everyone agrees with you....the Seattle Times for one...here is a recent quote regarding PFF:

I thought it’d be interesting to look at some Pro Football Focus’ position ratings and see how some of the Seahawks fared (I’ll add the caveat that the most important stat is Seattle’s 36-16 win and that this is just the opinion of one group of evaluators. But PFF has become pretty widely-respected around the NFL and as such, I think their ratings are worth a review):

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seaha...g-some-of-pro-football-focus-seahawks-grades/

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

a) I didn't ignore the fact he's asked to do less. I referred to it directly and repeatedly. Try reading my post first.
b) The NE game was a great example of a team winning while the QB plays quite poorly. Get back to me when the QB starts playing well.

I'm not going to engage any further with you. You're annoying me.

Fine by me. Refrain from responding to my posts.

 

[Tannenbombs]

They rated Tannehill the 7 Quarterback in the NFL in 2013. The creator of the site never played a down of football in his life. And didn't even see an NFL game till he was like 40 or 50. They don't know what they are talking about. Just ask Marvin Lewis how much "respect" they have around the league. Or google it.

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Don't you think that position is a little extreme?...Nazi like?

What if we deemed your thoughts or any other posters thoughts "moronic"...or "nonsense"?....Should they be deleted or should we give you a "special" forum so your thoughts and ideas could be trivialized?

Not everyone agrees with you....the Seattle Times for one...here is a recent quote regarding PFF:



http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seaha...g-some-of-pro-football-focus-seahawks-grades/

I wasn't talking about the posters being morons, but the people at PFF.

 

[russianbear]

They rated Tannehill the 7 Quarterback in the NFL in 2013. The creator of the site never played a down of football in his life. And didn't even see an NFL game till he was like 40 or 50. They don't know what they are talking about. Just ask Marvin Lewis how much "respect" they have around the league. Or google it.

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I wasn't talking about the posters being morons, but the people at PFF.

Who cares what the creator of the site has done or not done regarding football? I'm more concerned with who he's hired to do the analysis, and by the way, it doesn't require game experience to understand x's and o's.

They ranked Tannehill as an individual passer, by looking at every throw in every game he played, higher than your all-knowing "eye test" would lead you to believe. So, of course, you just disregard the site in it's entirety. Makes perfect sense.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I just watched the first half of the Seahawks Chargers game. I have been paying closer attention to the other young QBs in the league. I got the chance to watch Foles and Luck the other night and the end of the Seahawks Chargers game. I saw a bit of RGIII and Kaepernick. With all of the wailing about Tannehill's play, I think it is important to keep it in perspective. After all, if the Dolphins are to go in another direction (as some are calling for), they do need to replace him with someone.

I've commented in other threads how ordinary Foles and Luck looked. Kaepernick was a train wreck last week. RGIII is made of glass and will likely never be a durable QB.

Russell Wilson was off target on all but a few throws in the half. There were passes that were behind crossing receivers, thrown too high, thrown too low, or to the wrong side.

He took two bad sacks. One knocked them out of FG range. On the other, he was oblivious to the rush and fumbled the ball. The sack that took them out of FG range was terrible. He showed zero awareness of the situation.

Here are screen grabs of two of his passes that were completed:

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This pass was well short of an open receiver. Much shorter that the throws to Wallace or Hartline against Buffalo. Baldwin jumped up and reached over the back of the DB to make an amazing catch.

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This catch is made by the WR nearly jumping out of the stadium to go up and get a badly thrown ball.

None of the Dolphins receivers make either one of those catches. For Tannehill, those are two more throws that people here are bitching about.

In the 4th quarter, with the game on the line, the young QB that so many here claim is always clutch, was 4-8 for 26 yards. 14 of those yards came on a garbage pass as time expired. When it mattered he was 3-6 for 12 yards. Down by 6, Wilson goes 3-6 for TWELVE yards. I can name several here whose heads would have exploded if that were Tannehill.

In one game, Wilson showed examples of everything that posters here are freaking out over. Inaccurate passes, poor pocket presence, failure to deliver in the clutch. The point isn't that Tannehill shouldn't be more accurate. The point is that it happens to all QBs and many are holding Tannehill to an unreasonable standard.