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PFF: Tannehill's Sacks vs. Dolphins' Blocking Sacks

shouright said:
Perhaps then you can help us sort out why, despite the percentage of sacks attributed to the Dolphins' blocking, the objective measures associated with blocking are no worse than average?

On the one hand, PFF attributes 41 of the sacks to the blocking and 17 of the sacks to Tannehill, which does statistically what I outlined in the original post, and on the other hand, the same source (PFF) has the Dolphins' offensive line measured as no worse than average in terms of the only three objective measures of play it compiles: 1) pass blocking efficiency, 2) overall pass blocking grade, and 3) the percentage of passing dropbacks in which the QB is pressured.
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For measures 1) and 2) I'd have to see how they calculate the stats.

For measure 3), the answer, IMO, is obvious. Tannehill was 2nd quickest in the league at getting rid of the ball. That alone should give the OL a much better than average % of drop backs in which the QB is pressured. But, it didn't because they are horrible.
 
I have a problem with the OP here. Although PFF does list pass blocking efficiency, and the OL stats are correct wit 41 sacks, they give nothing on 17 sacks being QB related. In fact they only list 51 sacks being given up.

The reason for this is that they only lists sacks they see given up by an individual player. There are other sack taken by the team but, not credited to a player. For example, a defender come free and clear for a sack with no one available to block him. Makes sense, as they do the same for all teams.

The remaining 10 sacks not given to the OL are credited to Miller with 2, DT with 3, Sims with 2, and Tannehill with 3, and NOT 17. They credit a QB with a sack only after holding the ball for 4 seconds or longer, which some may not agree with but, it is what they do.

No idea where the 17 sacks to RT came from but, have not seen it on PFF.

On the 41 sacks on the OL, Jerry has 5, Clabo 11, Pouncey 2, McKinnie 7, Martin 7, Cog 6, Garner 2, and Brenner 1. Pouncey and Jerry have been good. Clabo is a different player in the last 7 games. Martin, Cog, and McKinnie are gone after this season.
 
Shouright...I respect your efforts on this whole matter. I really do.

But thank GOD you weren't around for Newton's analysis of gravity. If you were, you would have taken twenty years to acknowledge that planetary objects generate a gravitational pull.

For 19 years, you would have written countless theories on papyrus...just because you didn't like Newton. "Well, MY opinion, which I have backed up with carefully selected data, is that winds and solar flares are more causal for an apple to fall toward the Earth."
 
The Goat said:
Shouright...I respect your efforts on this whole matter. I really do.

But thank GOD you weren't around for Newton's analysis of gravity. If you were, you would have taken twenty years to acknowledge that planetary objects generate a gravitational pull.

For 19 years, you would have written countless theories on papyrus...just because you didn't like Newton. "Well, MY opinion, which I have backed up with carefully selected data, is that winds and solar flares are more causal for an apple to fall toward the Earth."
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Or perhaps I would've worked to debunk something that was actually later proven to be false, such as the belief that the sun revolved around the earth.

If you forego a skeptical attitude and an objective exploration out of fear you may do what you're talking about, you may miss out on doing what I said.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
I have a problem with the OP here. Although PFF does list pass blocking efficiency, and the OL stats are correct wit 41 sacks, they give nothing on 17 sacks being QB related. In fact they only list 51 sacks being given up.

The reason for this is that they only lists sacks they see given up by an individual player. There are other sack taken by the team but, not credited to a player. For example, a defender come free and clear for a sack with no one available to block him. Makes sense, as they do the same for all teams.

The remaining 10 sacks not given to the OL are credited to Miller with 2, DT with 3, Sims with 2, and Tannehill with 3, and NOT 17. They credit a QB with a sack only after holding the ball for 4 seconds or longer, which some may not agree with but, it is what they do.

No idea where the 17 sacks to RT came from but, have not seen it on PFF.

On the 41 sacks on the OL, Jerry has 5, Clabo 11, Pouncey 2, McKinnie 7, Martin 7, Cog 6, Garner 2, and Brenner 1. Pouncey and Jerry have been good. Clabo is a different player in the last 7 games. Martin, Cog, and McKinnie are gone after this season.
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Well this is good information. I simply assumed that the difference between the total number of sacks and the ones attributed to the offensive line were attributed to the QB. Thanks.
 
shouright said:
Well this is good information. I simply assumed that the difference between the total number of sacks and the ones attributed to the offensive line were attributed to the QB. Thanks.
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We all know what happens when you assume..... shame on you posting statistical evidence and instead of fact amd source checking yiu just assumed...... tannehill hater.
 
Wallace17Miami said:
We all know what happens when you assume..... shame on you posting statistical evidence and instead of fact amd source checking yiu just assumed...... tannehill hater.
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Well don't look now, but I attributed the those non-offensive line sacks to every other QB in the league, as well, compared Tannehill to them, and said Tannehill was no worse than the league norm in that regard.

You might want to try actually understanding something before you post, or perhaps asking for clarification. Then again with the way you tend to spell, I'm not hopeful for your overall prospects. Merry Christmas. :)
 
shouright said:
Well don't look now, but I attributed the those non-offensive line sacks to every other QB in the league, as well, compared Tannehill to them, and said Tannehill was no worse than the league norm in that regard.

You might want to try actually understanding something before you post, or perhaps asking for clarification. Then again with the way you tend to spell, I'm not hopeful for your overall prospects. Merry Christmas. :)
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I find it hard to Believe you didn't think of sacks the rbs gave up
 
shouright said:
Well don't look now, but I attributed the those non-offensive line sacks to every other QB in the league, as well, compared Tannehill to them, and said Tannehill was no worse than the league norm in that regard.

You might want to try actually understanding something before you post, or perhaps asking for clarification. Then again with the way you tend to spell, I'm not hopeful for your overall prospects. Merry Christmas. :)
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Oh ok.... so two wrongs make a right. "It's ok, I applied it wrong here... but I applied it wrong everywhere... so yea... it's ok". You get very uptight about the middle school level stats you post on here.

You are one of those "we've always done it this way so it must be right people".

You make me laugh, try not to trip back peddling.
 
shouright said:
Well don't look now, but I attributed the those non-offensive line sacks to every other QB in the league, as well, compared Tannehill to them, and said Tannehill was no worse than the league norm in that regard.
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Given what we have seen from our RBs attempting to pass block, I'd find it hard to believe we weren't among the worst in the league at RB pass blocking. That would make Tannehill look even better.

So to sum it up, Tannehill has:

1. The worst pass blocking OL
2. Terrible pass blocking RBs
3. Gets rid of the ball at near league leading quickness

Looks to me like there is little to blame Tannehill with. I think the concerns for his pocket presence were overblown from the beginning and have said so all along. I posted several articles praising his pocket awareness and ability to subtly shift in the pocket from both college and his rookie year. I agree he holds the ball too long occasionally, but so do ALL QBs. The difference is that Tannehill pays for it much more often than QBs will decent pass blocking.

As I have stated in the past, it is painful for me to watch other teams play. When I see a QB have 3, 4, 5 seconds to scan the field or throw from clean pockets, I want to scream.
 
dobrasz54 said:
Come on. This stats actually help. It shows mathematically that we are not all THAT bad offensive line wise. Yeah we can't understand it but, math.
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WHAT in the world would make you want to validate our offensive line is not that bad?? Why would you even want to convince yourself and others this??

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I think the more people playing at the same time in a team sport, the more difficult it gets to isolate individual performance with statistics... there are so many variables that, while its possible to find correlations and things that often influence others, its always going to be filled with a lot of unexplained exceptions...
 
shouright said:
Or perhaps I would've worked to debunk something that was actually later proven to be false, such as the belief that the sun revolved around the earth.
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Well the Earth doesn't revolve around the Sun either - they revolve around a common center of gravity called a "barycenter". Look it up. I suppose you will tell us that the Moon revolves around the Earth too.
 
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