Philbin and Ireland were "not entirely convinced" he would beat out Moore (Flynn)

[ohall]

i agree with this post 100%. Chad henne, matt moore, david garrard, all back up qbs in the nfl that miami has had in place for years now. Chad pennington while an elite qb in his prime was not in his prime when signed with us at all, you could see it when we got in the playoffs and the ravens embarrased us. At this point steven ross has to be pissed off with ireland and i am sure ireland has promised to get him a qb in the draft in the 1st round. Ross is seeing all these other teams getting elite qbs while miamis sticks to backup old over the hill qbs. Its gotta be frustrating for the owner. I am more than sure ross wanted to do everything to get manning but philbin disagreed and more frustration grew for ross. He has to already be thinking about selling the team. The boat just keeps sinking.

Yes you are right. Ireland refuses to pick from that abundant ELITE NFL QB tree we all know is growing in the Dolphins back yard....

 

[DolfanISS]

IMO, if you objectively look at everything that happened with Flynn in Miami, the only reasonable conclusion is that Philbin didn't believe he was a franchise guy.
there is no doubt they talked about Matt Flynn going back to the coach's interview in January and no one knew him better than Philbin. it is no secret the Dolphins weren't satisfied with Matt Moore's play from last year. Ireland said so in the media, talking about the need for a QB to get them "over the hump".
if Joe Philbin told them then he was a "top 15" guy, the decision to get him would have been made then.
the thing with Manning was driven by Ross and if they were ready to pounce on Flynn, they would have done exactly that.
instead, they waited until almost a week after free agency opened to bring him in. they even waited until after the only other team that wanted him got their visit. when he finally got to Miami, they offered him a contract with back-up money, even when it was well-known that Flynn wanted to be in here.
none of that happens if Philbin believed in Flynn and really wanted him to be his starting quarterback.

I have to agree with this. I know our FO sucks and its hard to put anything past Ireland but I'd have to think if Philbin was 100% on board with tying his head coaching career to Matt Flynn being his franchise QB, Flynn would be here now. Seriously guys with all the teams that need QB's and only 2 being interested in Flynn should speak volumes. I find it very hard to believe anyone here is 100% positive Flynn will be any better than Moore or Garrard.

 

[rickd13]

The problem is you people are trying to put the offer Miami made to Matt Flynn as being reflective of Joe Philbin's opinion on Flynn instead of Ireland's. I don't necessarily buy that.

It could've been Aaron Rodgers and Ireland would still lowball him and piss him off just like he does everybody else. He doesn't value the quarterback position to the extent that competent GM's in this league do.

He looks for 'acorns' at the position where you're required to have an oak...

Flynn is an "oak"? The only "oak" out their was Peyton Manning and the Dolphins wanted him.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

IMO, if you objectively look at everything that happened with Flynn in Miami, the only reasonable conclusion is that Philbin didn't believe he was a franchise guy.
there is no doubt they talked about Matt Flynn going back to the coach's interview in January and no one knew him better than Philbin. it is no secret the Dolphins weren't satisfied with Matt Moore's play from last year. Ireland said so in the media, talking about the need for a QB to get them "over the hump".
if Joe Philbin told them then he was a "top 15" guy, the decision to get him would have been made then.
the thing with Manning was driven by Ross and if they were ready to pounce on Flynn, they would have done exactly that.
instead, they waited until almost a week after free agency opened to bring him in. they even waited until after the only other team that wanted him got their visit. when he finally got to Miami, they offered him a contract with back-up money, even when it was well-known that Flynn wanted to be in here.
none of that happens if Philbin believed in Flynn and really wanted him to be his starting quarterback.

None of that adds up. The logic by the Ireland supporters is that he had nothing to do with any of the player acquisitions while Parcells was busy watching film of draft prospects at the golf course and horse racetrack. All Ireland did was twiddle his thumbs and hang out with Stephen Ross in Charlotte, North Carolina bars after games and ask college kids if their mother's were prostitutes...

Now that Ireland 'finally' has full control, he's suddenly not the one determining who Miami signs, pursues/lowballs in free agency, or the one who matches a value with a prospective visitor. It's Joe Philbin or Stephen Ross.


This is the problem with Miami's front office from day 1. Nobody is held accountable for anything. Ireland is the most invisible GM in the league when it comes time to assess who did what. He had nothing to do with anything.... unless he did, which is only because it was a "tandem" effort with the advice Ireland wisely took from the head coach he didn't want in the first place.

What it amounts to is Bill Parcells greatest talent when you get right down to the brass tacks of it.... leaving everything in such a frenzy and spinning unsuspecting fanbases into such a dizziness that they no longer know which way is up through misinformation and passing the buck. Jeff Ireland is without a doubt his most observant pupil.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Flynn is an "oak"? The only "oak" out their was Peyton Manning and the Dolphins wanted him.

The Miami Dolphins can't get what they want with Jeff Ireland and Stephen Ross. Nobody with an established reputation as a coach or player is going to hitch their wagon to these two imbeciles.

An oak has to be in place first in order to produce 'acorns'....


At the top of the Dolphins totem pole, you currently have two knotheads who couldn't produce a pine cone...

 

[ohall]

None of that adds up. The logic by the Ireland supporters is that he had nothing to do with any of the player acquisitions while Parcells was busy watching film of draft prospects at the golf course and horse racetrack. All Ireland did was twiddle his thumbs and hang out with Stephen Ross in Charlotte, North Carolina bars after games and ask college kids if their mother's were prostitutes...

Now that Ireland 'finally' has full control, he's suddenly not the one determining who Miami signs, pursues/lowballs in free agency, or the one who matches a value with a prospective visitor. It's Joe Philbin or Stephen Ross.


This is the problem with Miami's front office from day 1. Nobody is held accountable for anything. Ireland is the most invisible GM in the league when it comes time to assess who did what. He had nothing to do with anything.... unless he did, which is only because it was a "tandem" effort with the advice Ireland wisely took from the head coach he didn't want in the first place.

What it amounts to is Bill Parcells greatest talent when you get right down to the brass tacks of it.... leaving everything in such a frenzy and spinning unsuspecting fanbases into such a dizziness that they no longer know which way is up through misinformation and passing the buck. Jeff Ireland is without a doubt his most observant pupil.

Yes it is more than believable that Ireland didn't have final say on personnel decisions while the Tuna was here. In fact, it's widely accepted, outside of the haters.

The prostitute question was over blown, and you obviously have no idea how personal those types of interviews can get.

Yes ppl were held accountable, that's why the Tuna was shown the door. Pat White sunk the Tuna's ship in Miami.

Ireland is in control, and he would be an idiot to ignore his HC's opinion of a player that HC had intimate knowledge of. For you to imply he either ignored Philbin's opinion or simply didn't ask his opinion is beyond unbelievable. Put aside your hate for the media spun hate for Ireland for a second, it will all start to make sense. I promise.

 

[rent this space]

None of that adds up. The logic by the Ireland supporters is that he had nothing to do with any of the player acquisitions while Parcells was busy watching film of draft prospects at the golf course and horse racetrack. All Ireland did was twiddle his thumbs and hang out with Stephen Ross in Charlotte, North Carolina bars after games and ask college kids if their mother's were prostitutes...

Now that Ireland 'finally' has full control, he's suddenly not the one determining who Miami signs, pursues/lowballs in free agency, or the one who matches a value with a prospective visitor. It's Joe Philbin or Stephen Ross.


This is the problem with Miami's front office from day 1. Nobody is held accountable for anything. Ireland is the most invisible GM in the league when it comes time to assess who did what. He had nothing to do with anything.... unless he did, which is only because it was a "tandem" effort with the advice Ireland wisely took from the head coach he didn't want in the first place.

What it amounts to is Bill Parcells greatest talent when you get right down to the brass tacks of it.... leaving everything in such a frenzy and spinning unsuspecting fanbases into such a dizziness that they no longer know which way is up through misinformation and passing the buck. Jeff Ireland is without a doubt his most observant pupil.

imo, the notion that Ireland would ignore Philbin's opinion on Matt Flynn is what doesn't add up

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Yes it is more than believable that Ireland didn't have final say on personnel decisions while the Tuna was here. In fact, it's widely accepted, outside of the haters.

The prostitute question was over blown, and you obviously have no idea how personal those types of interviews can get.

Yes ppl were held accountable, that's why the Tuna was shown the door. Pat White sunk the Tuna's ship in Miami.

Ireland is in control, and he would be an idiot to ignore his HC's opinion of a player that HC had intimate knowledge of. For you to imply he either ignored Philbin's opinion or simply didn't ask his opinion is beyond unbelievable. Put aside your hate for the media spun hate for Ireland for a second, it will all start to make sense. I promise.

People like yourself are the face of what the point of my post was, and have been from the beginning. You're not capable of making sense of it. I promise.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

imo, the notion that Ireland would ignore Philbin's opinion on Matt Flynn is what doesn't add up

He didn't ignore Philbin's opinion, which is why Matt Flynn was brought in and offered a contract in the first place. It's Ireland's job to lay out the details of the contract and make an offer based on HIS assessment in combination with HIS "plan" and vision for the team under HIS budget, not Joe Philbin's.

What do you think Philbin's opinion of Aaron Rodgers would be? Ireland would lowball Rodgers just the same.


Some of you already had your minds made up that if Miami signed Flynn, it was because of Philbin... and if they didn't it was because of Philbin.

Flynn isn't a Seahawk because of Joe Philbin, he's a Seahawk because of Ireland's offer.

 

[ohall]

People like yourself are the face of what the point of my post was, and have been from the beginning. You're not capable of making sense of it. I promise.

Excellent rebuttal of the points I posted. Keep up the good work!

 

[ohall]

He didn't ignore Philbin's opinion, which is why Matt Flynn was brought in and offered a contract in the first place. It's Ireland's job to lay out the details of the contract and make an offer based on HIS assessment in combination with HIS "plan" and vision for the team under HIS budget, not Joe Philbin's.

What do you think Philbin's opinion of Aaron Rodgers would be? Ireland would lowball Rodgers just the same.


Some of you already had your minds made up that if Miami signed Flynn, it was because of Philbin... and if they didn't it was because of Philbin.

Flynn isn't a Seahawk because of Joe Philbin, he's a Seahawk because of Ireland's offer.

You do understand they could of had a certain opinion of Flynn and brought him in to compete for the job? He got starters money in Seattle, that's why he went there. The irrational notion that Ireland either ignored Philbin's opinion or he simply didn't ask Philbin for his opinion of Flynn is simply unreasonable to accept.

He was brought in because he had potential value to the Dolphins. I do not think the multiple reports, before he went to Miami for a visit that the Dolphins were low balling him, were fiction. It was their way of letting the fan base and Flynn know exactly what they thought of him.

The stuff about Rodgers is pure drivel and nonsense. It also exposes just how much hate is driving your opinion of Ireland. It's not based in reality, it's based on your personal POV of him. A POV that has probably been molded by our so called media.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

You do understand they could of had a certain opinion of Flynn and brought him in to compete for the job? He got starters money in Seattle, that's why he went there. The irrational notion that Ireland either ignored Philbin's opinion or he simply didn't ask Philbin for his opinion of Flynn is simply unreasonable to accept.

He was brought in because he had potential value to the Dolphins. I do not think the multiple reports, before he went to Miami for a visit that the Dolphins were low balling him, were fiction. It was their way of letting the fan base and Flynn know exactly what they thought of him.

The stuff about Rodgers is pure drivel and nonsense. It also exposes just how much hate is driving your opinion of Ireland. It's not based in reality, it's based on your personal POV of him. A POV that has probably been molded by our so called media.

A pencil-neck sportswriter who's never been within 6 feet of a mouthpiece and a jock strap in his life has never molded my point of view about anything.

I see things for what they are. I don't need to find out who's full of nonsense and drivel, you do. I already know.

 

[Vertical Limit]

Does Ireland need to speak in bold for you all to understand what he said about getting value? I hate Ireland, I don't like the guy but this is the one thing he did right and if he wanted to disrespect/hurt people's feelings he could have simple just said the following to make everyone on this board shut up about Flynn:

"We don't think Matt Flynn is a franchise quarterback". Had he said that, all of you would chill, but he won't say that and he will sound cheap instead for he won't go dissing Matt.

 

[dlockz]

Everyone said they wanted to trust Philbin on Flynn but as soon as he signed with Seattle Ireland gets blasted for low balling a backup QB.

Well like I said I doubt we will ever know the truth. obviously philbin liked him because if he was garbage why would we bring him in to talk when philbin has watched him for years.
This team wanted anybody but moore but had to settle for thier fourth choice. Obviously philbin knew that Flynn would not sign for 5 million a year when a better offer would definately be out there. THE SEAHAWKS GOT flynn for a very reasonbble contract a little more than we payed a safety that has never been close to a pro bowler himself.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Does Ireland need to speak in bold for you all to understand what he said about getting value? I hate Ireland, I don't like the guy but this is the one thing he did right and if he wanted to disrespect/hurt people's feelings he could have simple just said the following to make everyone on this board shut up about Flynn:

"We don't think Matt Flynn is a franchise quarterback". Had he said that, all of you would chill, but he won't say that and he will sound cheap instead for he won't go dissing Matt.

Jeff Ireland wouldn't know a franchise quarterback if he walked up and pissed in his pocket protector. It has nothing to do with Matt Flynn.

I don't think you understand exactly how invalid Jeff Ireland's quarterback evaluation skills are to me. What he says, or what the media says he says is irrelevant.