philbin was cleared but his leadership skills are the problem here. if he was the true leader and captain of this ship that the players are 100 percent behind, why did martin feel uncomfortable going to him about this debacle? he seems like a cold, rigid, my way or get the hell out of here type of coach. i think marshall, dansby, bush, ocho, davis would attest to that.
Philbin at fault?
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Dude, i spent my early 20s working Loss Prevention. Thats that store detective that catches you stealing either by camera or floor surveillance and collaborates with his team via a handheld transceiver so they can be wait outside of the store to bust you and bring you in.
An LP's job is to prevent shrinkage (theft) of many forms; shoplifting, fraud, and- the one you are referring to- employee theft.
Ive worked for 2 companies; JC Penney & Burlington Coat Factory.
Not sure what they do now but in those days JC Penney security (Loss Prevention) was its own corporate entity which was cool because at 19, an Operations Manager (head in-store honcho) had no power over a punk like me. When my boss went home for the day, I was my own boss. We used hand cuffs and we could bring you in by physical force. ( so fun)
In Burlington Coat Factory, the Operations Manager is your boss. You answer to her (always female). It was a joke of a job. LPs were not allowed to touch nor chase thieves (all the fun is gone). We are there as a theft deterrent only. You see us. You see cameras. You think twice and go home.
That was a long way to go to tell you that in neither store was your direct manager accountable for theft unless they were the ones stealing.
I had a colleague in JC Penney that ripped them for thousand right under our noses. We ate lunch with the guy. Took down crooks together. We missed it. He was good. My boss' check as well as mine were handed out for many fridays afterwards.
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Actually he was cleared and praised.
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I asked the VP of my company how he made is way up from operations. Direct quote: "Always carry a file and always look busy."
I update him on status of shipments. He doesnt know what i dont tell him. He's no longer in operations.
I'm not going to blame Philbin or the Martin fiasco butI wanted him gone cause I don't see what it is that he brings to the table that's going to mke us a winner. Ithink he's a good person but he doesn't seem to be a good motivator, looks clueless at times and doesn't seem to adjust on game day. I wanted Ross to clean house but at least he got rid of the 2 guys I wanted gone the most. Nothing I can do now but hope Philbin has something up his sleeve that we don't know about.
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It happens all the time. People keep the boss out of the loop intentionally.
If you have managed large groups of people, it isn't such a far fetched notion that this wasn't brought to his attention. If you have never done it, the idea that you can't possibly know what is going on in every aspect of your business will not make sense to you......so I get while some might feel that way.
Two other things to consider...
1. These guys didn't think they did anything wrong. Remember, they are acting like idiots and everyone is going along, including the O-line coach. So why would they report anything? We know Martin didn't report it.......heck, they all thought they were having fun.
2. If Turner did feel like he should report something, he would have likely done it to Sherman as the OC. Sherman, would have brought it to Philbin. That is the way the chain works. Did that happen....no, I doubt it.
It's ok to not like Philbin as a coach or for his coaching ability.....but this knowing/not knowing thing is a waste of time.
Two other things to consider...
1. These guys didn't think they did anything wrong. Remember, they are acting like idiots and everyone is going along, including the O-line coach. So why would they report anything? We know Martin didn't report it.......heck, they all thought they were having fun.
2. If Turner did feel like he should report something, he would have likely done it to Sherman as the OC. Sherman, would have brought it to Philbin. That is the way the chain works. Did that happen....no, I doubt it.
It's ok to not like Philbin as a coach or for his coaching ability.....but this knowing/not knowing thing is a waste of time.
No, I don't. My office job is nothing like an NFL team. We have men and women who are all sorts of ages and from all sorts of different places. That is a far cry from a bunch of guys who hit each other every day in the heat for months. Men who are in their 20s and 30s. You have to have thick skin to play sports period because you're judged on how good you are.
The two are not comparable.
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You still haven't told me how Philbin is supposed to know if he isn't told or didn't see things happening.
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That isn't the end of the thread. What you stated would be logical. This site doesn't work well with logic. It's a ****ing embarrassment IMO.
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It's Philbin's fault Martin didn't come to him? Hysterical opinion.
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Is Bill Belichick to blame because he had a guy who was involved with drugs, guns, ect.?
No, that stuff happened while off the clock. Which is where most all of tweets, trips, ect. happened.
why is that so hard for numskulls to understand? Most everything that happened Jim Turner was not even aware of which is probly why he acted a part of it too, because he had no clue about how much of it was happening.
No, that stuff happened while off the clock. Which is where most all of tweets, trips, ect. happened.
why is that so hard for numskulls to understand? Most everything that happened Jim Turner was not even aware of which is probly why he acted a part of it too, because he had no clue about how much of it was happening.
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Philbin is suppose to know by being told or seeing personally, these events that have transpired ! He is the leader of men!
He seems to be a dope and blind about everything, including game day.
How the hell are you guys trying to give Philbin a pass on this? His OL coach knew and told him nothing. His OL coach knew and flat out denied it.
Guess who hired that OL coach? Philbin.
He is directly responsible for the people he puts in those positions, DUH! He chose to put Turner in that position, Turner wasn't there before he got there, HE PICKED HIM.
I hope Turner gets fired and I hope Philbin goes with him. This is 100% on Philbin because he put someone in place that couldn't take care of the job.
Guess who hired that OL coach? Philbin.
He is directly responsible for the people he puts in those positions, DUH! He chose to put Turner in that position, Turner wasn't there before he got there, HE PICKED HIM.
I hope Turner gets fired and I hope Philbin goes with him. This is 100% on Philbin because he put someone in place that couldn't take care of the job.
Bill Belichick drafted Aaron Hernandez who is likely a serial killer. Should he lose his job because he was the one who put him in the tight end position on the team?
Cool, you're comparing one of the 2 or 3 greatest coaches of all time who made one mistake to a head coach who has very few strengths, hired a completely garbage staff, and has led us to 2 mediocre seasons.
So you don't think Philbin deserves any flack for hiring Jim Turner? The one coach who could have and should have said something to him? Are you that much of a blind homer?
So you don't think Philbin deserves any flack for hiring Jim Turner? The one coach who could have and should have said something to him? Are you that much of a blind homer?
And just so I'm clear, it's not this one incident, it's just one thing after another. If he were a proven winner and had been taking this team in the right direction then of course you overlook it, but Philbin has done so much wrong, it's just one thing after another. He isn't a good game-day manager, our teams have been ill-prepared coming out of BYE's and long weeks, we have had consistency issues, we choked in 2 must wins to end the season, and the guy has hired garbage coaches left and right.
Why are we apologizing for this guy? What does Philbin bring to the table?
Why are we apologizing for this guy? What does Philbin bring to the table?
So because he is a hall of fame coach we turn a blind eye to him drafting a serial killer? Got it.
Plus he didn't make one mistake, he had a scandal of his own.