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PhinKev's Weekly OL Analysis.

KB21 said:
When is it going to click that blitz pick ups aren't always the responsibility of the offensive linemen? The quarterback and the running back have just as much responsibility when it comes to identifying where the blitz is coming from and getting into position to make the pick up.

The Bears ran a lot of what are called "green dog" plays where they MLB would delay blitz through the guard/tackle gap. Tell me, whose responsibility is it to pick up that blitz when the guard and the tackle in that gap are already engaged on blocks? Do you expect the center to loop around the guard and make that block, or do you expect the quarterback to pick this up and get rid of the football quickly?

The latter is the breakdown of the play AJ got hurt on. Vernon got beat on the outside but recovered. AJ did a good job of stepping up, but the problem starts when he saw the green dog. Instead of getting rid of the football, he froze. Blame that on the OL all you want, but that was on Feeley.
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OR actually taking the Sack may have been the best play. Depending on the coverage. I have not replayed the play, but if his first read or maybe even his first two reads were covered, it would be better to take the sack then to throw it to a defender. On that play (IF I rememeber right) both rb's went and filled a different hole than where the blitzer came through. I would guess that one of the two backs was supposed to read that blitz and pick it up.
 
KB21 said:
When is it going to click that blitz pick ups aren't always the responsibility of the offensive linemen? The quarterback and the running back have just as much responsibility when it comes to identifying where the blitz is coming from and getting into position to make the pick up.

The Bears ran a lot of what are called "green dog" plays where they MLB would delay blitz through the guard/tackle gap. Tell me, whose responsibility is it to pick up that blitz when the guard and the tackle in that gap are already engaged on blocks? Do you expect the center to loop around the guard and make that block, or do you expect the quarterback to pick this up and get rid of the football quickly?

The latter is the breakdown of the play AJ got hurt on. Vernon got beat on the outside but recovered. AJ did a good job of stepping up, but the problem starts when he saw the green dog. Instead of getting rid of the football, he froze. Blame that on the OL all you want, but that was on Feeley.
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no, he didn't have a chance to react to urlacher because thats when he was avoiding the end who beat carey... not to mention your acting like no lineman is supposed to try to stop a free coming LB blitz just because its delayed and the QB has to force a ball to beat it... on the inside you have the center helping a guard, he should recognize a middle LB blitz and at least get a hand on him... that play was in NO way feeleys fault, your crazy...

i love these people who complain when he would force balls and throw passes last year and then they'd be INT from pressure around him... then when he doesn't throw it because he doesn't want to force something or he doesn't get a chance, they yell at him for taking a sack... im telling you feeley cant win in some peoples eyes...
 
Partly right. On a corner blitz, which we got burned on several times, the QB AND the WR must make a quick read on the side the blitz is coming from. If it's not open, then throw the ball away. AJ can get blamed for holding it too long, but the receiver must also break off his pattern and find some open space.

The fact is that there are numerous breakdowns--it's disingenuous to always blame the QB for everything!

It is also an historical fact that the Center, who makes most of the line calls, has been a major disappointment in both reading and blocking blitzes. Let's see if Houck can find a serviceable Center in this bunch.
 
Unless the play called is a rollout left or right the o_line should force all the pressure to the outside allowing the Qb the chance to step up in the pocket to avoid the pressure. On this play I believe that carey got smoked and the center moved over to the left to help out leaving the Middle wide open. As DOLPHINHEEL alluded to unless you have a center who is a center and knows these things by instict(which we don't have) he reacted to the missed block and helped out. And Aj probably did the best thing by taking the sack instead of throwing the ball away possibly creating a turnover. I don't have the tape but have asked Phinkev to analyze this pay inparticular. to see if it was a breakdown in blocking or just a good defensive play.
 
Oboy said:
OR actually taking the Sack may have been the best play. Depending on the coverage. I have not replayed the play, but if his first read or maybe even his first two reads were covered, it would be better to take the sack then to throw it to a defender. .
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I've seen little evidence Feeley gets past the first read very often....
 
Great job. Keep em' coming! It's way too hard to process all thats happening while i'm watching the game so I really enjoy when someone takes the time to give an in depth analysis.
 
Sorry, had to take care of some things.

Ok, first, we are doing some guess work because blocking assignaments can change and it is not always clear who messed up. With that said, I didn't see a lot of RB miss blocks. That doesn't mean they didn't miss an assignment though.

I watched so more in slow motion. Carey was getting beat pretty good. On the swing to the running back he got abused by a swim move.

As for the Feeley play. Here's a break down.

Carey: Gets beat to the outside again. Probably over compensating for getting beat on the inside swim move before. Some people say he recovered. He did chase his guy, but Feeley had already stepped up into Urlacher.

James actually gets a good block on the DT.

Now it gets more interesting. Hadnot, without anyone over him, initially helps out James, then turns to chase the DE that has beaten St. Clair leaving a clear lane for Urlacher to Feeley.

St. CLair is beaten to the outside and tries to ride his got past Feeley. Probably would have forced a quick throw or made given a sack had not there been other worse things going on.

McDougal get whipped by Wale and actually tries to block him by hooking an arm around Wale's face. Could have been a penalty.

Ironically, Wale is the man that Feeley first sees and tries to avoid by stepping up. Brown who had beat Carey was not seen and almost knocked the ball away coming from the blind side.

THe backs were in shallow patterns, not in blocking.

Bottom Line: This play was a major disaster. James was the only guy that made his block and Hadnot was confused about where he should be.

Despite the fact that Carey is talking the grief, it was Wale that forced the play. Further, the play still probably gets off if HAdnot stays in his zone and keeps Urlacher off Feeley.

In my opinion, we have some real tackle problems and St. Clair is not very good at RG. Hadnot has ability, but he is pretty green out there. Not a great attribute for a Center.

We can't have both tackles breakdown and have a walking QB.
 
Thanks for that last one, that play stood out in my mind as a huge clusterfu*k! It almost got Aj decapitated, Urlacher definately has gotten some speed back after being hurt the past 2 seasons.
 
There was no way Hadnot could make the block on Urlacher on that play, especially since Urlacher came through on the outside of James. Hadnot did what he was supposed to do. He helped on the DT that was playing in the gap, and when Jeno had control of him, Hadnot moved to the outside in attempt to help on the defensive end. Urlacher came through.
 
KB21 said:
There was no way Hadnot could make the block on Urlacher on that play, especially since Urlacher came through on the outside of James. Hadnot did what he was supposed to do. He helped on the DT that was playing in the gap, and when Jeno had control of him, Hadnot moved to the outside in attempt to help on the defensive end. Urlacher came through.
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Nah, I'm looking at it now. Urlacher came right up the 1 gap.

You still might be right about the assignment though. I think we are in a zone blocking scheme which I believe would mean that Hadnot should have stayed in his zone. Or you might be right.
 
Question for PhinKev?

I know it won't be exact, but on average how much time do you think our QB's had to get rid of the ball? I have looked at the replays too and I am counting less than 3 seconds, even in replay mode. All of this griping over holding the ball too long is ridiculous if they have less than 3 seconds!!! Our line missed assignments all night, including that one lucky pass by Frerotte where he should have been tackled in the end zone for a safety. I'm guessing that he had 2 seconds to get rid of that one! Two of Gus's longest passes were pure luck--the one just mentioned and the TD--and for the most part they were against their #2 D.

I'm not saying Feeley is better than Gus or that he is Brett Favre (who would also be dead behind our line) but under the circumstances, with a new line and against a blitzing #1 D, I think Feeley did fine. If DT doesn't drop that long Feeley pass maybe some of you would be singing a different tune.
 
dolphinheel said:
I know it won't be exact, but on average how much time do you think our QB's had to get rid of the ball? I have looked at the replays too and I am counting less than 3 seconds, even in replay mode. All of this griping over holding the ball too long is ridiculous if they have less than 3 seconds!!! Our line missed assignments all night, including that one lucky pass by Frerotte where he should have been tackled in the end zone for a safety. I'm guessing that he had 2 seconds to get rid of that one! Two of Gus's longest passes were pure luck--the one just mentioned and the TD--and for the most part they were against their #2 D.

I'm not saying Feeley is better than Gus or that he is Brett Favre (who would also be dead behind our line) but under the circumstances, with a new line and against a blitzing #1 D, I think Feeley did fine. If DT doesn't drop that long Feeley pass maybe some of you would be singing a different tune.
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I thnk your general impressions are accurate. The pass protection, especially on plays where the defense knew we were going to pass, was not good and the penatration was pretty quick.

Feeley seems to get nervous back there. It is clear he doesn't trust the line . That's going to take some time I think.

Though it is not obvious, I think we are likely to do better with play action and pass on early downs. The OC is going to have to mix it up a bit and try and be a little more deceptive.

What was clear is that we were very vanilla on Offense and the Bears stacked the line on run plays and blitzed on pass plays. I think you'll find after we game plan some that the offense is better than it looked Monday.
 
Awesome thread, someone should e-mail this into Yahoo so they can adjust that crappy article they wrote on us. :)
 
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