Phins Risk With Rookie Starter On OL

[ChambersWI]

PFF is used by Jackson in most of his articles, which everyone loves, as well as every media everyone posts links to. It is the new, and accepted, site to rank and grade players. There is no better, as far as I know, but IF we have a better source, please share it.

Your own eyes? PFF's numbers are useful as I said, but just because PFF says something doesn't make it true. It can raise new questions or answer old ones but because PFF says something does not make it the truth.

I mean, it's not hard to watch somebody play and see if they struggled or not.

 

[PPPP]

Just curious as to which players you disagreed with?

I didn't, not that it matters.

 

[twix2500]

I dont question we should draft an OL man. But we should not put ourselves in a position where we have to depend on a rookie. Rookies are well rookies, they are suppose to fail their rookie year. I am hoping we can surround our rookies with some reliable veterans that can get us through for a year.

 

[rent this space]

In the end PFF is still just an opinion

 

[RkyDaMan34]

I dont question we should draft an OL man. But we should not put ourselves in a position where we have to depend on a rookie. Rookies are well rookies, they are suppose to fail their rookie year. I am hoping we can surround our rookies with some reliable veterans that can get us through for a year.

Why were not bringing in Wharton or Joseph doesn't make sense.. This would give you flexibility in the draft.. Hickey wants BPA? Bring one of the two in, sign one and then get on with your bad self hickey.. WTH!

 

[So Be]

Your own eyes? PFF's numbers are useful as I said, but just because PFF says something doesn't make it true. It can raise new questions or answer old ones but because PFF says something does not make it the truth.

I mean, it's not hard to watch somebody play and see if they struggled or not.

I get what you are saying, and PFF is far from the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. lol However, they spend 10 hours or more to watch and grade every player on every play for a game. I cannot afford the time to do that, and just focus on the OL for a second look on tape.

Most rate a player on highlights and lowlights, with no regard to his overall play. They fill in the blanks with their eyeballs, at least for me. How can you compare watching a game to 10 hours of watching tape?

 

[So Be]

I didn't, not that it matters.

So you don't disagree with them but, say OL and CB are their worst analysis targets? Lost me here.

 

[Canadi-Phin]

So you don't disagree with them but, say OL and CB are their worst analysis targets? Lost me here.

I like PFF but their analysis of CBs or OL can be misleading or wrong because they don't know the play called or the responsibility though they put the blame on who the believe is the player responsible. Perfect example was a few years back they gave Jake Long a negative grade on a block but his responsibility was to take the blitzer not the RDE, Incognito didn't move out instead assisted Pouncey. They gave Richie a good grade and Jake a bad grade. That's just wrong and maybe they have improved and hope they have. On run plays they consistently give a guy a bad grade on a play where he is only supposed to chip the player and move to the next level and let the fullback take the rest of the block. Instead they give a bad grade and a missed block. Little things like this can totally affect their grades.

Its the same with DBs, they have no clue who was supposed to stay in a zone or play off. They have made the mistake of blaming a cb for letting a guy go expecting over the top help from the safety and has to protect his zone. They read it as a catch versus the cb not the Safety which again is wrong.

Their grades are very good starting point to look at with a +/- value needing to be added. Some of their guys read games fantastic but not all of them . Such is life.

 

[So Be]

I like PFF but their analysis of CBs or OL can be misleading or wrong because they don't know the play called or the responsibility though they put the blame on who the believe is the player responsible. Perfect example was a few years back they gave Jake Long a negative grade on a block but his responsibility was to take the blitzer not the RDE, Incognito didn't move out instead assisted Pouncey. They gave Richie a good grade and Jake a bad grade. That's just wrong and maybe they have improved and hope they have. On run plays they consistently give a guy a bad grade on a play where he is only supposed to chip the player and move to the next level and let the fullback take the rest of the block. Instead they give a bad grade and a missed block. Little things like this can totally affect their grades.

Its the same with DBs, they have no clue who was supposed to stay in a zone or play off. They have made the mistake of blaming a cb for letting a guy go expecting over the top help from the safety and has to protect his zone. They read it as a catch versus the cb not the Safety which again is wrong.

Their grades are very good starting point to look at with a +/- value needing to be added. Some of their guys read games fantastic but not all of them . Such is life.

Good post, and agreed. I've been with them since they started, and disagreed a number of times, much more when they started than the last 2 years. They have to watch 11 players on O for 60 or so plays, and the same on D, along with ST's. No one, even the Phins coaching staff, is gonna be perfect. For what they do based on individual play in match ups, I would say they were right about 85% of the time, with a little give or take considered. For me, it's a lot better than blind stats.

 

[PPPP]

So you don't disagree with them but, say OL and CB are their worst analysis targets? Lost me here.

Yes. I don't know if they did a bad job because I didn't even look at the numbers enough to have an opinion. I didn't look at the numbers because I know how their method with OL and CBs. They method is flawed enough to me that it doesn't matter what the end values are. You can't disagree with a value that you didn't look at.

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I like PFF but their analysis of CBs or OL can be misleading or wrong because they don't know the play called or the responsibility though they put the blame on who the believe is the player responsible. Perfect example was a few years back they gave Jake Long a negative grade on a block but his responsibility was to take the blitzer not the RDE, Incognito didn't move out instead assisted Pouncey. They gave Richie a good grade and Jake a bad grade. That's just wrong and maybe they have improved and hope they have. On run plays they consistently give a guy a bad grade on a play where he is only supposed to chip the player and move to the next level and let the fullback take the rest of the block. Instead they give a bad grade and a missed block. Little things like this can totally affect their grades.

Its the same with DBs, they have no clue who was supposed to stay in a zone or play off. They have made the mistake of blaming a cb for letting a guy go expecting over the top help from the safety and has to protect his zone. They read it as a catch versus the cb not the Safety which again is wrong.

Their grades are very good starting point to look at with a +/- value needing to be added. Some of their guys read games fantastic but not all of them . Such is life.

Exactly! Great post.