Phins Sign Terence Garvin

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  1. NyPhan23

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    Dolphins signed LB Terence Garvin, formerly of the Seahawks.
    Garvin played 195 snaps last season, making three starts. Miami has one of the worst linebacker groups, but Garvin should focus on special teams.

    Sounds like a solid special teamer from older rotoworld posts I read about him:

    Seahawks signed LB Terence Garvin, formerly of the Redskins.

    Garvin played just 58 defensive snaps in 2016 but is a standout special teamer.
    Related: Redskins

    Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter
    Fri, Mar 24, 2017 12:10:00 PM
     
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    And here I thought he was one of the little-known Fabulous Freebirds.
     
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    yipee
     
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    Can he be nick named Punter Killer?
     
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    Sean Taylor has that distinction I think.
     
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    competition for Mike Hull I am assuming.
     
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    Looks way more athletic then Hull
     
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    People laugh about these signings and dismiss them but improving the overall depth of the team is also needed and this appears on paper to at least push people at the back end which can't be a bad thing in our LB group.
     
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    the problem we've had is our special teams aces were an absolute disaster when forced to play defense. Keeping players like Mike Hull and Michael Thomas off the field defensively is a great thing.
     
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    Can't believe Hull is still on the team
     
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    Exactly. People complain (often correctly) depth is weak. But, if Miami signs a guy as backup, the complaint is they should focus on starters. If this ends up being a LB upgrade AND a ST guy, I'll not complain.
     
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    he won't be by the end of training camp. might as well keep him for a camp body for now.
     
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    We need to keep on mind that we lost some core ST players this off season so we need help there. This might not sound like much but ST's are a big part of your team. Like someone said above. Darn if you do and darn if you don't.
     
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    We have deep holes at linebacker so any body might help at this point
     
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    I don't mind signing depth even though you need a starter. Eliminates the requirement of drafting multiple linebackers now, although I still wouldn't be opposed to taking an additional backer later.
     
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    Hull is a great special teamer, and a tackling machine. Just slow and a little undersized, but thats why he is a backup. Have no problem with him in that role.
     
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    It's called churning over the bottom part of the roster. You close the talent gaps between your starters and backups.

    Parcells was a big propoent and preacher of this methodology long before it was a popular practice.
     
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    What's crazy is he ran a 4.6 40 yard dash.
     
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    the problem is he is a huge liability defensively, as was Michael Thomas, as was Walt Aikens. We can't have every special teams player be a liability outside of special teams.
     
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    I'm curious if we'll ever see McMillan on special teams again
     
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    Really I didnt know that? That is crazy, I loved him at Penn State and he still has great instincts. Still solid against the run, pretty typical of a backup. Unfortunately we have like 4 backups on the roster in Anthony, Hull, Allen, and the new guy.
     
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    Agree, but most backups are liabilities hence why they are backups. You know who else is a liability? Our STARTING LB haha.
     
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    Agreed. I don't have an issue with Hull getting a roster spot because of his special teams ability, but he should never see the field on defense outside of the preseason. Never. He shouldn't be the first or second option in case of an injury. There should be at least five better linebackers in front of him. We've got four, but out of those four only two are starters.
     
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    Cheers my friend, I don't know him but all you have said I agree with.
     
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    Only uninformed people. The rest of us know it's depth value.
     
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    Can he replace Kiko??
     
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    In all sincerity, I wasn't laughing at it. There are ALWAYS late bloomers; people who "get it" later on in life. This guy is clearly a Special Teams hitter, and I hope he makes the roster. Depth is a good thing.

    I just saw the name "Garvin," and thought of Jimmy Jam. Because...well, I'm still a teenager inside.
     
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    No, but our LB at #11 should
     
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    I was hoping you could do that ;)
     
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    Yet another scrawny underpowered LB to join our roster.
     
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    Hull isn’t doing too bad for an undrafted player. If anything he’s exceeded what minimal expectations he had. Not sure what people are expecting from Hull.
     
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    Wasn't specifically calling anyone out brother and I was speaking in general relativity. In general people dismiss these types of acquisition as camp folder when in reality the bottom of your roster might be the difference in playoffs and missing them.

    No one knows when that injury bug is going to bite.
     
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    Jimmy Johnson made a killing backfilling his team. If he better than one of the other 53, sign him. It only makes the entire roster better.
     
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    Miami's defense was, snap for snap, the slowest in football a year ago.

    That's not hyperbole or exaggeration.

    There were three big reasons they were as slow as they were:

    1. Unlike some teams, they didn't have real linebackers with speed. Lawrence Timmons was never particularly fast when he was a young man. As an old man, he was sluggish. Kiko Alonso is a 4.7 guy. Chase Allen moves like he has ankle weights, regardless of the testing. Raekwon McMillan spent the year injured. Neville Hewitt spent the year injured. Mike Hull is slow. They grabbed Stephone Anthony and eventually brought him onto the field out of desperation. As a draft prospect out of Clemson, coverage was always his biggest question mark, regardless of his forty time. But Miami had to put him out there on obvious pass situations in nickel because he was the ONLY player at the position with any speed whatsoever.

    2. Unlike yet other teams, Miami does not make use of a growing class of hybrid LB/S players that come out of college with more experience playing S or Rover than LB. In the old days, these were just strong safeties. No real confusion there, nothing hybrid about them. They were strong safeties and that was that. Today they're hybrids. We're talking about guys like Mark Barron, Ray Ray Armstrong, Su'a Cravens, Adarius Glanton, Deone Buccanon, Shaq Thompson, Darron Lee, and yes Terence Garvin was one of those players. I have a big, running list of them. This is sort of tied in with the first point but not precisely the same. These guys generally play more like defensive backs even if they're referred to as linebackers.

    3. Unlike most of the teams in the NFL, the Dolphins eschew Dime personnel packages altogether. They used 6-DB packages a total of I think 7 times in 2017 and only maybe 20 times in 2016 (maybe less). The rest of the NFL uses 6-DB packages, especially if you count the hybrids as what they are which is basically strong safeties, nearly as often as they use BASE defense. I'll say that again. The average defensive personnel package in the NFL is now a Nickel defense (5-DBs), and Dime (6-DBs) is used nearly as often as Base (4-DBs). The "front seven" as a term...is outdated. So are "4-3" and "3-4". But the Dolphins never use Dime. They were one of the handful of teams to never do that. But unlike most of those other teams, they did NOT have points #1 or #2 going for them. No speed in the linebackers unit, no hybrid players. They just over-used traditional linebackers, and it didn't work out very well for them.

    So with that context in mind you look at what they're doing signing a Terence Garvin, who was a rover at West Virginia and came out about 6'2" & 222 lbs, and to me it represents a significant change in philosophy. They're going to start correcting some of their mistakes.

    On tape, Garvin actually looks like he could help. The Dolphins sniffed at Emmanuel Lamur, formerly of the Bengals playing under Matt Burke there, and he's another guy that came out of college a safety, has since been moved to linebacker. The Bengals had him at Sam linebacker while Burke was there. Garvin and Lamur are similar and the Seahawks often had him on the line in a Sam-like role.

    Miami's defense had a number of problems last year even getting aside from them being the slowest in the NFL. They allowed too much on passing from BASE personnel. They allowed too much in running from NICKEL personnel. And then their 3rd & Long defense (ehem, DIME) just absolutely sucked.

    Terence Garvin as a SAM would actually impact the first of these problems, which is allowing too much on the pass from BASE. He's got the speed and coverage chops to change that equation a little bit.

    Does he help you defend the run when you've got NICKEL on the field, and it's not an obvious pass situation? No. That's not where you want him.

    But can he turn around and help you in DIME situations (3rd & Long)? Absolutely. His speed and coverage chops would be useful there, certainly more so than Stephone Anthony who played that role a year ago.

    All that said, do we hope that Terence Garvin is doing all this? Maybe not. It's nice, it feels like a warm security blanket, to know that they have him there and he can be the floor for what you can have going for you in these situations. But they may have an opportunity via the draft to shoot for a little bit better.
     
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    Or to replace Michael Thomas on special teams
     
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