Phins talking point: Moore not going anywhere soon, Egnew not making an impact yet

[ckparrothead]

I cant believe you linked to :25 seconds in that video as if it showed separation. I'm watching a 4.7 football player out there. Hooshoops is dead on the money - Egnew makes catches with guys all over him and he just doesn't make the big plays you'd expect of a guy with his size and speed.

First, the linebacker at 0:25 seconds made a mistake in coverage but I think it's pretty notable that he didn't stand a chance of recovering from that (small) mistake, especially since that particular linebacker has run solidly in the 4.6's at spring camp yet he was clearly outclassed by the tight end you hypothesize has 4.7 speed but in all actuality has 4.48 speed that I've verified myself.

Second, I notice you didn't address the play at 2:40 where a 6'5" and 250+ lbs tight end sticks his foot in the ground and explodes out of an option route like he's Wes Welker, leaving one of the top inside linebackers in the country Arthur Brown clutching at air as Egnew heads toward the end zone. That one foot plant and explode ability is the same ability that allowed him to broad jump across Springfield Gorge. He jumped 11'3" at 6'5" and 252 lbs. I've never seen anyone that big have a broad jump like that...the closest I've seen are Calvin Johnson (11'7" at 6'5" and 239 lbs), Virgil Green (10'10" at 6'3" and 249 lbs), Dustin Keller (10'11" at 6'2" and 242 lbs)...and our own Kevin Burnett and Cameron Wake (both 10'10" at 6'3" and 235-236 lbs). Megatron's mark was the best ever, I believe. Egnew came up shy 4 inches but weighed 13 lbs more.

I think Slimm said it before I could, a little too much is being made of the idea of "separation" for the tight end position. You're talking about a guy that is going to run through the middle of the field crossing zones (i.e. you run your heart out to separate from one guy but it only speeds you into the waiting coverage of another guy) and running routes that generally have a 5 to 20 yard target distance. Just how much separation do people expect a tight end to get? Even when he's going out to the perimeter, he's running fade patterns and back shoulder stuff, and that's not about separation.

I think if I had to boil Egnew down to the things I like most about him, they would be his unusual explosion and athleticism at his size, his ability to consistently catch the football in traffic with bodies on him, and his intelligence. The latter goes a little underrated but I've spoken with some people that have interviewed him as well as many other draft prospects and they say Egnew is as intelligent and insightful, as good an interview, as Andrew Luck...and that's saying something. I don't think you find 6'5" and 252 lbs tight ends with 4.48 speed and that kind of explosion all that often, and you certainly don't find them in the form of guys with a lot of intelligence, who also happened to catch a ton of footballs in traffic with bodies draped on him at the FBS level. Anyone really going to tell me that's a BAD gamble in the 3rd round?

It's not like I'm saying the guy is the next Jimmy Graham, whom I loved coming out by the way. But I think he's at least another Jermaine Gresham, and he's the kind of player you should have on your football team.

This draft stuff is all about disagreement and I fully respect that. But I don't think jim1 was wrong to point out those two plays, and I would humbly point out a few more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fSXShZec_cs#t=163s

If you're looking for flash you won't find it on that play. It's not meant for that. It's meant to display things that translate. You can expect that same amount of separation and that same result in the pros, as he travels across linebacker zones. I like how he cut his angle back to the ball as he traveled across those zones, to make himself more available to the quarterback. He then gained 6 yards of run after catch to make the play good for 12 yards, which cut that 2nd & 24 in half. He did his job against good coverage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fSXShZec_cs#t=488s

Again, you want flashy, don't look for it here. I'm interested in translation. Here he runs another little pivot route against Eddie Elder (now on the Cardinals), but he once again showed good stop his momentum and cut to the outside. You don't normally expect 6'5" and 252 lbs guys to be able to run these little routes like you see with Davone Bess and Wes Welker, and look clean doing it, IMO. He's got some separation here, and if the QB had gone to him he'd have had a nice sized, EASY pickup on 1st & 10.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fSXShZec_cs#t=936s

You know what the difference is between this play and the one above? Ball was thrown. That's it. I just explained that the above route is not "flashy" yet here you have a touchdown that looks pretty flashy and keen, and the only real difference is James Franklin threw the ball to him and threw it accurately...which far too often he didn't manage. He just runs a nice little slice in route against Clint Floyd, who ran a 4.66 at his pro day with a 6.71 cone drill. Again if you're operating under the assumption Egnew's a 4.7 guy on the football field, I don't think he creates the separation and leaves Floyd in the dust on this play like he did. But again he shows off that ability to plant and arrest his momentum, change directions and burst out of the break faster than the defensive back can recover. Finishes off with a nice little high point pluck on the run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=402s

This is from 2010 and I suppose you could consider it "flashy" because it's a touchdown, but I don't. Simple screen. So what's the big deal? Look at him sit his ass down after the catch, and in ONE STEP explode up into the end zone. I remind you, 6'5" and 252 lbs guys don't usually do this, and it can be pretty hard to stop when they can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=119s

Watch him run the above route from the slot. He accelerates off the line well and steers beautifully right to the center mark between the two zones, and pops out of his run quickly, gets his shoulders turned around to the quarterback, making the grab on a timely thrown ball. Again, the stuff I'm trying to point out here is not about "flash" so much as translation. This is a translatable play, IMO. If this were about flash, you'd see me link the touchdown a few plays later. Though it was a nice piece of running by Egnew and a good catch, it was a busted coverage, so it's not necessarily the most translatable of plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WxegvHASk3U#t=242s

Here you see him release off the line, and beat coverage specialist linebacker Travis Lewis, who was picked by the Lions in the Draft this year. Again, this is about translation, and what I like about this play is, it was good coverage. Travis Lewis is a coverage specialist, it's the reason he was drafted, and he was doing his job pretty well on this play, but it didn't matter and it ended up an 8 yard gain on 2nd & 10, which resulted in an easily makeable 3rd & 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WxegvHASk3U#t=827s

Routine execution. What you don't necessarily realize is this play is successful because Oklahoma's linebackers and defensive backs were keying on Michael Egnew the entire game, especially on screens which they were sniffing out before they'd even happen. So here, Egnew gets a little revenge with the hook 'n ladder (actually screen 'n ladder but whatever). Notice how far out of position Tom Wort got in terms of making the play. Wort is a damn fine linebacker, a future NFL player for sure. He was just that keyed up on Egnew because he knew Michael could burn them.

Now, if you're aching for a little bit of flash, on plays that I still consider translatable...these plays all speak for themselves...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=39s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=184s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=230s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=241s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=255s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=331s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=376s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=442s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=507s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=569s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=652s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=669s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=836s

Incidentally yes, that's 2nd round pick Lavonte David he's dragging up and down the field in coverage. That was also New England Patriots 2nd round pick Tavon Wilson whom Egnew dished an "And One" moment to as he spun out of the tackle. Another beautiful pivot slice in against 5th round safety Dejon Gomez, as well. Not to mention a great catch up the seam with James Morris in coverage. Morris by the way currently rated the #6 inside linebacker for the 2014 NFL Draft, by NFL Draft Scout.

I just think he's a pretty good player and a pretty good gamble.

 

[cuban_refugee]

First, the linebacker at 0:25 seconds made a mistake in coverage but I think it's pretty notable that he didn't stand a chance of recovering from that (small) mistake, especially since that particular linebacker has run solidly in the 4.6's at spring camp yet he was clearly outclassed by the tight end you hypothesize has 4.7 speed but in all actuality has 4.48 speed that I've verified myself.

Second, I notice you didn't address the play at 2:40 where a 6'5" and 250+ lbs tight end sticks his foot in the ground and explodes out of an option route like he's Wes Welker, leaving one of the top inside linebackers in the country Arthur Brown clutching at air as Egnew heads toward the end zone. That one foot plant and explode ability is the same ability that allowed him to broad jump across Springfield Gorge. He jumped 11'3" at 6'5" and 252 lbs. I've never seen anyone that big have a broad jump like that...the closest I've seen are Calvin Johnson (11'7" at 6'5" and 239 lbs), Virgil Green (10'10" at 6'3" and 249 lbs), Dustin Keller (10'11" at 6'2" and 242 lbs)...and our own Kevin Burnett and Cameron Wake (both 10'10" at 6'3" and 235-236 lbs). Megatron's mark was the best ever, I believe. Egnew came up shy 4 inches but weighed 13 lbs more.

I think Slimm said it before I could, a little too much is being made of the idea of "separation" for the tight end position. You're talking about a guy that is going to run through the middle of the field crossing zones (i.e. you run your heart out to separate from one guy but it only speeds you into the waiting coverage of another guy) and running routes that generally have a 5 to 20 yard target distance. Just how much separation do people expect a tight end to get? Even when he's going out to the perimeter, he's running fade patterns and back shoulder stuff, and that's not about separation.

I think if I had to boil Egnew down to the things I like most about him, they would be his unusual explosion and athleticism at his size, his ability to consistently catch the football in traffic with bodies on him, and his intelligence. The latter goes a little underrated but I've spoken with some people that have interviewed him as well as many other draft prospects and they say Egnew is as intelligent and insightful, as good an interview, as Andrew Luck...and that's saying something. I don't think you find 6'5" and 252 lbs tight ends with 4.48 speed and that kind of explosion all that often, and you certainly don't find them in the form of guys with a lot of intelligence, who also happened to catch a ton of footballs in traffic with bodies draped on him at the FBS level. Anyone really going to tell me that's a BAD gamble in the 3rd round?

It's not like I'm saying the guy is the next Jimmy Graham, whom I loved coming out by the way. But I think he's at least another Jermaine Gresham, and he's the kind of player you should have on your football team.

This draft stuff is all about disagreement and I fully respect that. But I don't think jim1 was wrong to point out those two plays, and I would humbly point out a few more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fSXShZec_cs#t=163s

If you're looking for flash you won't find it on that play. It's not meant for that. It's meant to display things that translate. You can expect that same amount of separation and that same result in the pros, as he travels across linebacker zones. I like how he cut his angle back to the ball as he traveled across those zones, to make himself more available to the quarterback. He then gained 6 yards of run after catch to make the play good for 12 yards, which cut that 2nd & 24 in half. He did his job against good coverage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fSXShZec_cs#t=488s

Again, you want flashy, don't look for it here. I'm interested in translation. Here he runs another little pivot route against Eddie Elder (now on the Cardinals), but he once again showed good stop his momentum and cut to the outside. You don't normally expect 6'5" and 252 lbs guys to be able to run these little routes like you see with Davone Bess and Wes Welker, and look clean doing it, IMO. He's got some separation here, and if the QB had gone to him he'd have had a nice sized, EASY pickup on 1st & 10.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fSXShZec_cs#t=936s

You know what the difference is between this play and the one above? Ball was thrown. That's it. I just explained that the above route is not "flashy" yet here you have a touchdown that looks pretty flashy and keen, and the only real difference is James Franklin threw the ball to him and threw it accurately...which far too often he didn't manage. He just runs a nice little slice in route against Clint Floyd, who ran a 4.66 at his pro day with a 6.71 cone drill. Again if you're operating under the assumption Egnew's a 4.7 guy on the football field, I don't think he creates the separation and leaves Floyd in the dust on this play like he did. But again he shows off that ability to plant and arrest his momentum, change directions and burst out of the break faster than the defensive back can recover. Finishes off with a nice little high point pluck on the run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=402s

This is from 2010 and I suppose you could consider it "flashy" because it's a touchdown, but I don't. Simple screen. So what's the big deal? Look at him sit his ass down after the catch, and in ONE STEP explode up into the end zone. I remind you, 6'5" and 252 lbs guys don't usually do this, and it can be pretty hard to stop when they can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=119s

Watch him run the above route from the slot. He accelerates off the line well and steers beautifully right to the center mark between the two zones, and pops out of his run quickly, gets his shoulders turned around to the quarterback, making the grab on a timely thrown ball. Again, the stuff I'm trying to point out here is not about "flash" so much as translation. This is a translatable play, IMO. If this were about flash, you'd see me link the touchdown a few plays later. Though it was a nice piece of running by Egnew and a good catch, it was a busted coverage, so it's not necessarily the most translatable of plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WxegvHASk3U#t=242s

Here you see him release off the line, and beat coverage specialist linebacker Travis Lewis, who was picked by the Lions in the Draft this year. Again, this is about translation, and what I like about this play is, it was good coverage. Travis Lewis is a coverage specialist, it's the reason he was drafted, and he was doing his job pretty well on this play, but it didn't matter and it ended up an 8 yard gain on 2nd & 10, which resulted in an easily makeable 3rd & 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WxegvHASk3U#t=827s

Routine execution. What you don't necessarily realize is this play is successful because Oklahoma's linebackers and defensive backs were keying on Michael Egnew the entire game, especially on screens which they were sniffing out before they'd even happen. So here, Egnew gets a little revenge with the hook 'n ladder (actually screen 'n ladder but whatever). Notice how far out of position Tom Wort got in terms of making the play. Wort is a damn fine linebacker, a future NFL player for sure. He was just that keyed up on Egnew because he knew Michael could burn them.

Now, if you're aching for a little bit of flash, on plays that I still consider translatable...these plays all speak for themselves...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=39s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=184s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=230s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=241s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=255s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=331s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=376s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=442s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=507s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=569s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=652s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=669s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=836s

Incidentally yes, that's 2nd round pick Lavonte David he's dragging up and down the field in coverage. That was also New England Patriots 2nd round pick Tavon Wilson whom Egnew dished an "And One" moment to as he spun out of the tackle. Another beautiful pivot slice in against 5th round safety Dejon Gomez, as well. Not to mention a great catch up the seam with James Morris in coverage. Morris by the way currently rated the #6 inside linebacker for the 2014 NFL Draft, by NFL Draft Scout.

I just think he's a pretty good player and a pretty good gamble.

I think he has to learn how to consistently separate from the top LBs in the league. When I saw him at camp a couple weeks ago, once an LB latched onto him, it threw him off his route and it took him a long time to get off the block. But, I think he's going to be more of a product and talent than Chase Coffman coming out of Mizzou.

 

[jim1]

First, the linebacker at 0:25 seconds made a mistake in coverage but I think it's pretty notable that he didn't stand a chance of recovering from that (small) mistake, especially since that particular linebacker has run solidly in the 4.6's at spring camp yet he was clearly outclassed by the tight end you hypothesize has 4.7 speed but in all actuality has 4.48 speed that I've verified myself.

Second, I notice you didn't address the play at 2:40 where a 6'5" and 250+ lbs tight end sticks his foot in the ground and explodes out of an option route like he's Wes Welker, leaving one of the top inside linebackers in the country Arthur Brown clutching at air as Egnew heads toward the end zone. That one foot plant and explode ability is the same ability that allowed him to broad jump across Springfield Gorge. He jumped 11'3" at 6'5" and 252 lbs. I've never seen anyone that big have a broad jump like that...the closest I've seen are Calvin Johnson (11'7" at 6'5" and 239 lbs), Virgil Green (10'10" at 6'3" and 249 lbs), Dustin Keller (10'11" at 6'2" and 242 lbs)...and our own Kevin Burnett and Cameron Wake (both 10'10" at 6'3" and 235-236 lbs). Megatron's mark was the best ever, I believe. Egnew came up shy 4 inches but weighed 13 lbs more.

I think Slimm said it before I could, a little too much is being made of the idea of "separation" for the tight end position. You're talking about a guy that is going to run through the middle of the field crossing zones (i.e. you run your heart out to separate from one guy but it only speeds you into the waiting coverage of another guy) and running routes that generally have a 5 to 20 yard target distance. Just how much separation do people expect a tight end to get? Even when he's going out to the perimeter, he's running fade patterns and back shoulder stuff, and that's not about separation.

I think if I had to boil Egnew down to the things I like most about him, they would be his unusual explosion and athleticism at his size, his ability to consistently catch the football in traffic with bodies on him, and his intelligence. The latter goes a little underrated but I've spoken with some people that have interviewed him as well as many other draft prospects and they say Egnew is as intelligent and insightful, as good an interview, as Andrew Luck...and that's saying something. I don't think you find 6'5" and 252 lbs tight ends with 4.48 speed and that kind of explosion all that often, and you certainly don't find them in the form of guys with a lot of intelligence, who also happened to catch a ton of footballs in traffic with bodies draped on him at the FBS level. Anyone really going to tell me that's a BAD gamble in the 3rd round?

It's not like I'm saying the guy is the next Jimmy Graham, whom I loved coming out by the way. But I think he's at least another Jermaine Gresham, and he's the kind of player you should have on your football team.

This draft stuff is all about disagreement and I fully respect that. But I don't think jim1 was wrong to point out those two plays, and I would humbly point out a few more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fSXShZec_cs#t=163s

If you're looking for flash you won't find it on that play. It's not meant for that. It's meant to display things that translate. You can expect that same amount of separation and that same result in the pros, as he travels across linebacker zones. I like how he cut his angle back to the ball as he traveled across those zones, to make himself more available to the quarterback. He then gained 6 yards of run after catch to make the play good for 12 yards, which cut that 2nd & 24 in half. He did his job against good coverage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fSXShZec_cs#t=488s

Again, you want flashy, don't look for it here. I'm interested in translation. Here he runs another little pivot route against Eddie Elder (now on the Cardinals), but he once again showed good stop his momentum and cut to the outside. You don't normally expect 6'5" and 252 lbs guys to be able to run these little routes like you see with Davone Bess and Wes Welker, and look clean doing it, IMO. He's got some separation here, and if the QB had gone to him he'd have had a nice sized, EASY pickup on 1st & 10.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fSXShZec_cs#t=936s

You know what the difference is between this play and the one above? Ball was thrown. That's it. I just explained that the above route is not "flashy" yet here you have a touchdown that looks pretty flashy and keen, and the only real difference is James Franklin threw the ball to him and threw it accurately...which far too often he didn't manage. He just runs a nice little slice in route against Clint Floyd, who ran a 4.66 at his pro day with a 6.71 cone drill. Again if you're operating under the assumption Egnew's a 4.7 guy on the football field, I don't think he creates the separation and leaves Floyd in the dust on this play like he did. But again he shows off that ability to plant and arrest his momentum, change directions and burst out of the break faster than the defensive back can recover. Finishes off with a nice little high point pluck on the run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=402s

This is from 2010 and I suppose you could consider it "flashy" because it's a touchdown, but I don't. Simple screen. So what's the big deal? Look at him sit his ass down after the catch, and in ONE STEP explode up into the end zone. I remind you, 6'5" and 252 lbs guys don't usually do this, and it can be pretty hard to stop when they can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=119s

Watch him run the above route from the slot. He accelerates off the line well and steers beautifully right to the center mark between the two zones, and pops out of his run quickly, gets his shoulders turned around to the quarterback, making the grab on a timely thrown ball. Again, the stuff I'm trying to point out here is not about "flash" so much as translation. This is a translatable play, IMO. If this were about flash, you'd see me link the touchdown a few plays later. Though it was a nice piece of running by Egnew and a good catch, it was a busted coverage, so it's not necessarily the most translatable of plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WxegvHASk3U#t=242s

Here you see him release off the line, and beat coverage specialist linebacker Travis Lewis, who was picked by the Lions in the Draft this year. Again, this is about translation, and what I like about this play is, it was good coverage. Travis Lewis is a coverage specialist, it's the reason he was drafted, and he was doing his job pretty well on this play, but it didn't matter and it ended up an 8 yard gain on 2nd & 10, which resulted in an easily makeable 3rd & 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WxegvHASk3U#t=827s

Routine execution. What you don't necessarily realize is this play is successful because Oklahoma's linebackers and defensive backs were keying on Michael Egnew the entire game, especially on screens which they were sniffing out before they'd even happen. So here, Egnew gets a little revenge with the hook 'n ladder (actually screen 'n ladder but whatever). Notice how far out of position Tom Wort got in terms of making the play. Wort is a damn fine linebacker, a future NFL player for sure. He was just that keyed up on Egnew because he knew Michael could burn them.

Now, if you're aching for a little bit of flash, on plays that I still consider translatable...these plays all speak for themselves...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=39s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=184s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=230s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=241s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=255s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=diclp2_25ys#t=331s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=376s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=442s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=507s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=569s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=652s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=669s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uiSh9kfd0jI#t=836s

Incidentally yes, that's 2nd round pick Lavonte David he's dragging up and down the field in coverage. That was also New England Patriots 2nd round pick Tavon Wilson whom Egnew dished an "And One" moment to as he spun out of the tackle. Another beautiful pivot slice in against 5th round safety Dejon Gomez, as well. Not to mention a great catch up the seam with James Morris in coverage. Morris by the way currently rated the #6 inside linebacker for the 2014 NFL Draft, by NFL Draft Scout.

I just think he's a pretty good player and a pretty good gamble.

That is an excellent post, regardless of whatever my opinion on the matter may be.

 

[ckparrothead]

Incidentally he played more on the line out of a 3 point stance than people are giving him credit for.

 

[Predaphin]

I have been asking where in the world is Egnew?? How is he doing??? But no one seems to be knowing...well this pretty much sums it up...he's not producing.

Is it me or does it seem Ireland seems to miss a lot in the 3rd round of each draft???

 

[jim1]

I have been asking where in the world is Egnew?? How is he doing??? But no one seems to be knowing...well this pretty much sums it up...he's not producing.

Is it me or does it seem Ireland seems to miss a lot in the 3rd round of each draft???

From today:

-- Michael Egnew with his second impressive catch during 1-on-1.

-- Michael Egnew just roasted Koa Misi during 1-on-1.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...ins-training-camp-080712,0,6528464,full.story

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

I'm going to repeat it one last time... it's the protections that young TE's have to learn before they can even participate in-line to be a functional receiver. A 5 man protection presents 6 gaps for the defense. When you throw in a TE along the line of scrimmage, it becomes 7 gaps. All these gaps must be accounted for on every play, including running plays. The protections are installed first when you're implementing an offense.

Michael Egnew being productive catching the football isn't going to be determined in training camp.

The entire concept of the player development process seems to avert fanbases.

 

[hoops]

I'm going to repeat it one last time... it's the protections that young TE's have to learn before they can even participate in-line to be a functional receiver. A 5 man protection presents 6 gaps for the defense. When you throw in a TE along the line of scrimmage, it becomes 7 gaps. All these gaps must be accounted for on every play, including running plays. The protections are installed first when you're implementing an offense.

Michael Egnew being productive catching the football isn't going to be determined in training camp.

The entire concept of the player development process seems to avert fanbases.

and i'm gonna say to you one more time how much time spent on protection work and in line have the patriots spent with aaron hernandez??? both hernandez and egnew have similar finesse games...why are we trying to make this kid perform in line at this level when its not ever gonna be a strength...

i keep hearing jermaine gresham....please...gresham can play in line much more than michael egnew ever will be able to from a protection aspect...sure teach the kid the ropes so you don't give away pass primarily when he's in the game...but trying to get this kid to play in line at this level is not gonna add up to much...you won't get as much bang for your buck like that

 

[hoops]

b/t jermaine gresham was a much better prospect than michael egnew when he came out...more polished...only thing he didn't have was 4.5 speed...but egnew doesn't play that fast anyways...

 

[enigmatics]

That is an excellent post, regardless of whatever my opinion on the matter may be.

Agreed. Don't normally get that kind of insight on a fan forum.

 

[MiamiDolphin618]

Hoops...I think they are just trying to develop him as a player more...thats what TC is for. I don't think anyone is saying he is going to be some beast of a blocker in-line..or at least Im not...but they want him to at least know what he's doing. As Slimm said...they know what he can do being split out. I think they will continue to work on his blocking in TC...but you can bet when the bullets start flying this year you will see him flexed out plenty if he gets PT. I think they will ease him into things...but I look for him to be on the field in the red zone a lot

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

and i'm gonna say to you one more time how much time spent on protection work and in line have the patriots spent with aaron hernandez??? both hernandez and egnew have similar finesse games...why are we trying to make this kid perform in line at this level when its not ever gonna be a strength...

i keep hearing jermaine gresham....please...gresham can play in line much more than michael egnew ever will be able to from a protection aspect...sure teach the kid the ropes so you don't give away pass primarily when he's in the game...but trying to get this kid to play in line at this level is not gonna add up to much...

Michael Egnew ain't Aaron Hernandez. Once you're able to account for the differences perhaps it'll help you understand.

Miami has bigger plans for Egnew than being a complementary player to Rob Gronkowski.... which Miami doesn't have.

Hernandez was primarily a stalk blocker in Urban Meyer's offense the same way Egnew was in David Yost's offense. Coaches don't have time to develope TE's at both blocking and receiving in college due to restraints on practice time. Blocking is a coached and honed aspect of football. Physical talent and athletic ability is why you recruit 'em in the first place. To say that Michael Egnew wont develope into a quality in-line player is simply the wrong assessment. Period.

Tight Ends in high school football have declined dramatically over the past 2 decades because coaches simply don't have time to develope them enough at both aspects. That's why spread offenses are the norm in high school football and have been for going on 20 years now. The spread offense originated at the high school level just like everything else in football and that's why.

Tight Ends are developed in the NFL through coaching, and the player having the maximum amount of reps and practice time to develope. They're all projects coming out of high school, and continue to be projects when they leave college.

 

[hoops]

I think he has to learn how to consistently separate from the top LBs in the league. When I saw him at camp a couple weeks ago, once an LB latched onto him, it threw him off his route and it took him a long time to get off the block. But, I think he's going to be more of a product and talent than Chase Coffman coming out of Mizzou.

god...i sure hope so...i see him as the next in a long line of sorry te's to come out of there...but not chase coffman level sorry

 

[hoops]

Michael Egnew ain't Aaron Hernandez. Once you're able to account for the differences perhaps it'll help you understand.

Miami has bigger plans for Egnew than being a complementary player to Rob Gronkowski.... which Miami doesn't have.

Hernandez was primarily a stalk blocker in Urban Meyer's offense the same way Egnew was in David Yost's offense. Coaches don't have time to develope TE's at both blocking and receiving in college due to restraints on practice time. Blocking is a coached and honed aspect of football. Physical talent and athletic ability is why you recruit 'em in the first place. To say that Michael Egnew wont develope into a quality in-line player is simply the wrong assessment. Period.

Tight Ends in high school football have declined dramatically over the past 2 decades because coaches simply don't have time to develope them enough at both aspects. That's why spread offenses are the norm in high school football and have been for going on 20 years now. The spread offense originated at the high school level just like everything else in football and that's why.

Tight Ends are developed in the NFL through coaching, and the player having the maximum amount of reps and practice time to develope. They're all projects coming out of high school, and continue to be projects when they leave college.

well then who is michael egnew supposed to be in this offense??? i'm sure they'd like him to be jermichael finley but he'll never be that level mismatch...so who in your opinion

as for the in line stuff we'll just disagree on what he'll be from there...and i'm fine with it

 

[luduporcu]

Moore will be traded at some point at the end of camp or early in the season as mentioned. Gerrard is outplaying him and Tannehill is also and we have to develop Tannehill and get him ready to start. That means Moore has to go.

I don't trust back conditions. I still remember D GARDNER. And don't tell me about camp kudos: I want to see how the QBs do in GAMES, against NON-TEAMMATES, playing different "systems" than what they see in "practice" day after day.

Beyond that, as to trading MOORE, MIAMI has no leverage. MOORE has all the leverage. He's a F/A after this season, and NO ONE is going to pay squat for a "1 Year Rent-A-QB". So, if MOORE DOESN'T APPROVE, there's no deal.