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Poll: Has Jeff already earned another year?

Does JI deserve another year with good draft/ offseason?

  • No, he had his time, and it's up

    Votes: 43 40.2%

  • Yes, he seems to be getting better and should stay

    Votes: 64 59.8%
  • Total voters
    107
  • Poll closed .
Spesh said:
Proof. Show me evidence.

I live in NYC and Mike Francesa on his WFAN radio program was lambasting Jets management for the handling of the situation. He reported that the owner told Ryan that he was safe and that the new GM would have to work with Ryan. Another important point Francesa made was that in his first two years Ryan had success with Mangini's players. That Mangini knew personnel and drafted players like Revis and since Rex was picking the players the team went downhill.
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Casas9425 said:
But he drained the cap to the point that we won't be able to do much of anything next year. The team that we field this year will be almost the same the year after that. It would be pointless to keep Ireland and Philbin around of they lose this year.
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Actually that's not true at all. Someone posted that as of now the $ that we have on the books for 2014 is only around $93 million. This is due largely in part to us having one of the youngest teams in the leagu, our starting QB's salary will probably be very low, and Starks, Soliai, Incognito and Bess plus maybe Carp will come of the books. Sure we need to resign Jones, either Starks or Soliai, and the draft picks for the next two classes, but to say that we will be in cap hell next year and the following is absolutely not true.

edit: I found the story, here is the link. http://www.thephinsider.com/2013/3/...gency-2013-miami-dolphins-salary-cap-2014-cap

I also did not vote in the poll. Have I been supportive of the moves Ireland has made this offseason and the preparation he took to do it? Yes,. Do I think he is beginning to realize the importance that needs to be placed on the skill positions? Yes. Am I hoping he addresses either DE, TE, WR or CB with the first pick in the draft? Yes. Do I think Armstead (gasp a T) should be targeted in the 2nd? Yes. But if this team isn't at least 9-7 and in contention for the playoffs the last month of the season, without a significant injury that alters the entire season, then yes I think Ireland needs to go as well.
 
nyashfan said:
I live in NYC and Mike Francesa on his WFAN radio program was lambasting Jets management for the handling of the situation. He reported that the owner told Ryan that he was safe and that the new GM would have to work with Ryan. Another important point Francesa made was that in his first two years Ryan had success with Mangini's players. That Mangini knew personnel and drafted players like Revis and since Rex was picking the players the team went downhill.
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Telling the coach he has a job is not the same as people turning down the job because their is a coach in place. Which was your entire premise.
 
Daytona Fin said:
I voted no based on what the OP asked in his post...
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To be fair the OP wasn't exactly clear where the line was drawn. He did mention records in his first sentence but ended with this:

I'm curious to see if members think that if Jeff pulls out a nice draft, is he automatic for next year?
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In fact the question of the poll is "Does JI deserve another year with good draft/ offseason?"
 
Daytona Fin said:
I voted no based on what the OP asked in his post...
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Well the selection you chose says "No, he had his time, and it's up". You should have read that one. I'm not sure how you could say that his time is up without seeing how the season unfolds. I stand by my statement that both answers are equally stupid.
 
Has to go at least 9-7

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It doesn't matter what the poll says or what any of us think, Steven Ross has already decided that he deserves another year, so for the Irish haters, don't be upset and for the Irish lovers....good for you...The way the player contracts were written this offseason has one more year for Irish stamped in red ink all over them...

This is my opinion... We'll just have to wait and see, but really we can't hang him in effigy (as if that's never been done) just yet...post this poll in November....
 
Nublar7 said:
To be fair the OP wasn't exactly clear where the line was drawn. He did mention records in his first sentence but ended with this:



In fact the question of the poll is "Does JI deserve another year with good draft/ offseason?"
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I couldn't make the poll selection too long. The original intent of the question is this, if we mostly all agree that Jeff nails the offseason and draft, and we still do not get past 8-8, does this year's record dictate he gets fired?
It's a one man firing. And the conflict is the man himself. If he does great at HIS job, should HE get fired for poor performance? If we all agree he picks the right groceries, but they arent cooked right, should Jeff hit the road? Keep in mind, Ireland does not coach or train these guys. If his choices in the draft perform well personally, but the team as a whole is not getting past 8-8, do we still judge him on the record alone?
 
z926538 said:
Yes, it is amazing how this fan base has gotten used to accepting LOSING. It's going to get worse over time. Currently we only have a few fans left who remember the championships. Soon we will only have a few fans left who remember the Marino years. Then we will have even fewer fans left who remember the boring winning seasons under Wannstedt. When that happens they will continue to defend Ireland when our four year record is 4-12, 4-12, 3-13, 4-12. Don't forget, Matt Millen had his defenders as well -- all the way up until the end.
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What does 11-5, 11-5, 9-7, 10-6 mean to you ?? Those numbers say "WINNING" ....

Didn't mean a thing at the time because we couldn't win when it counted and that coach/GM was drummed out of here and was hated much more than Irish ever has been... Dave Wannstadt, and he was certainly a worse talent evaluator than Irish has ever dreamed of being...

Obviously, the Irish haters don't want to listen...I mean, the grass is always greener...but how do you put a blame to the the first 4 yrs of Irish's time here [on Irish] and ignore the fat azz Quitcellian's influence and Sparano's wretched coaching performances as not part of the blame for the teams' failure... I'd like to quantify it somehow, but there's no possible way, that's why you have to give Irish a pass, even tho it hurts...

We have a new coach and staff, and as such, Irish has had to change his MO on acquiring guys. He seems to be doing that. We don't know yet because last year's acquisitions aren't proven yet (generally you have to look at 3 years) and this offseason isn't even half over yet...

I will never like losing, but I'll never want to blame any loss where it might not belong. I think what gets the goat of the Irish haters is that Steven Ross has decided that Irish gets another shot and you still can't accept that...

I've been fortunate...I've been a fan since day one... I'll stay here until the good Lord sees fit to move me out of here. permanently. I'll never like losing but I'll always support the team and even the guys making those decisions, even if I don't like those decisions...
 
zach attach said:
I couldn't make the poll selection too long. The original intent of the question is this, if we mostly all agree that Jeff nails the offseason and draft, and we still do not get past 8-8, does this year's record dictate he gets fired?
It's a one man firing. And the conflict is the man himself. If he does great at HIS job, should HE get fired for poor performance? If we all agree he picks the right groceries, but they arent cooked right, should Jeff hit the road? Keep in mind, Ireland does not coach or train these guys. If his choices in the draft perform well personally, but the team as a whole is not getting past 8-8, do we still judge him on the record alone?
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I won't judge him on the team's record alone. If the draft choices performed well and the team still finishes 8-8 or worse, that means the other players he brought in under performed and the franchised is still stuck in mediocrity which is not acceptable.
 
zach attach said:
I couldn't make the poll selection too long. The original intent of the question is this, if we mostly all agree that Jeff nails the offseason and draft, and we still do not get past 8-8, does this year's record dictate he gets fired?
It's a one man firing. And the conflict is the man himself. If he does great at HIS job, should HE get fired for poor performance? If we all agree he picks the right groceries, but they arent cooked right, should Jeff hit the road? Keep in mind, Ireland does not coach or train these guys. If his choices in the draft perform well personally, but the team as a whole is not getting past 8-8, do we still judge him on the record alone?
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Um...if Jeff gives us the right groceries we wont be going 8-8. Who cares if FH likes the draft picks...half the people here would love our draft regardless of who was picked. I seriously dont understand the leaps in logic people take to defend Ireland. Are we to just keep firing coaches and assume the whole time its all the coach's fault? Maybe the one common denominator since 08, Jeff Ireland (you know, THE ****ING GM), should start to shoulder the blame after another bad year, no?

Or maybe we are just LOADED with Ireland talent but continue to lose. Yeah, that sounds more reasonable.
 
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